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I have 2 Dewalt drills. Their 20v lithium brush-less top of the line drill, and their 12v lithium drill. The chucks really seem like **** after just a little use. On my bigger 1/2" chuck it sometimes gets stuck and i really have to reef on it to loosen it up after tightening. Now after a month of use my smaller 12v drill chuck is no longer smooth when rotating it closed or open. Why are they so crappy? I assume there's a way to take them off and put something better on? Guess I should have got Milwaukee.
 
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I have 7 or 8 Dewalt 3/8 & 1/2" corded and cordless drills, some bought as far back as the mid-late 90s and some bought in the past couple years. I've never had a problem with any of them ever.
 

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The Milwaukee fuel hammer drill's chuck I use at work clicks and drags like crazy. Not sure another brand will make a difference.
 

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I have 2 Dewalt drills. Their 20v lithium brush-less top of the line drill, and their 12v lithium drill. The chucks really seem like **** after just a little use. On my bigger 1/2" chuck it sometimes gets stuck and i really have to reef on it to loosen it up after tightening. Now after a month of use my smaller 12v drill chuck is no longer smooth when rotating it closed or open. Why are they so crappy? I assume there's a way to take them off and put something better on? Guess I should have got Milwaukee.
The DeWalt chucks are top notch. In fact, they're so much better than Milwaukee I won't even consider buying Milwaukee drills after my last experiences. DeWalt uses rohm chucks from Germany on their 1/2" drills, which are very nice with carbide jaws. The Milwaukee uses Chinese chucks with hardened steel/wears out of round, slips, and in my case-bent on the very first hole I drilled. Pathetic.

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I have the new Dewalt DCD996B. I already had 20v tools, but the videos I saw on that model on YouTube really sold me on it. It outperformed the newest Milwaukee in nearly every test. The only complaint I have about the chuck is it will skin your fingers if you have it on high power mode while tightening down on a bit. Otherwise I think it's a hell of a drill.
 

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We have an older generation Milwaukee m18 fuel hammer drill and the chuck on it is pretty well shot. Using the drill to break the chuck free will kill them pretty quick.

I have a corded Dewalt drill and I find that keyless chuck much better. Maybe like gkdoctor says no one makes a really good keyless chuck?
 

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Yeah I have no experience w DeWalt but I was gonna say Milwaukee is the same way.

Incidentally, they're supposed to click and drag, it's supposed to be part of the "ratcheting down" concept. And on Milwaukees at least trying to use the power of the drill to tighten it is NOT enough; you must snug it by hand and you'll feel it click as you do. Some drills will spin ~3/4 turn before stopping the spindle but they'll all eventually stop so you can really get after it by hand.

Not trying to derail OP - just saying you're not alone!
 

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My Dewalt 20v keyless drill chuck works great. The drill itself is probably the best hand drill I've ever owned in my life.

Never loosens bits, tightens without much effort. Standard Rohm chuck.

The OP's hastiness to name Milwaukee smells like a troll.

Do we have a list of known brand-name trollers on this forum?
 

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I have never had an issue with a dewalt keyless chuck ever. I have owned a half dozen. I have never had them slip on me either. I have had more issues with keyed chucks not getting super tight on the bit tho..
 

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My Dewalt 20v keyless drill chuck works great. The drill itself is probably the best hand drill I've ever owned in my life.

Never loosens bits, tightens without much effort. Standard Rohm chuck.

The OP's hastiness to name Milwaukee smells like a troll.

Do we have a list of known brand-name trollers on this forum?

Member 5 years with around 500 posts doesn't seem like a troll to me, based on those stats alone. Now the guys that just joined, and start a thread about how Snap-on ***** or Harbor freight in general, they reek of trolls. Hell there are even senior members who advertise a product every time they post.
 

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Between my work truck and shop I've got 3 bosch 18v, one dewalt 20v and 2 corded dewalt one keyed and one keyless. Of all those drills the 20v has the best chuck. The bosch chucks have a bad habit of chucking off center and dropping bits. Haven't had a milwaukee drill in several years, so can't say on the current crop.

In their defense the bosch chucks were very nice when new. I think the oldest drill is about 6 years and the newest probably around 3 years old. They see alot of use and no doubt chucks are getting pretty worn.
 

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To the OP,

I'd have to ask how you use, store, and treat these tools? Introducing a bit of **** into chuck from drywall or ceramic materials is not good. Are they out near where grinding and fabricating is done? Drilling so that the bit is chattering will help the chuck to self tighten, a problem known to machinists that use the Albrecht chucks. Do these live in the pickup tool box? Not saying you are mistreating the tool, just using it in a hostile environment.

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... Maybe like gkdoctor says no one makes a really good keyless chuck?

Albrecht does, but they cost about $300 each. I replaced the keyless chuck on my old 14.4v Milwaukee NiCd with a NOS US-made Jacobs keyed chuck. Vast improvement!

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My Dewalt 20v keyless drill chuck works great. The drill itself is probably the best hand drill I've ever owned in my life.
Never loosens bits, tightens without much effort. Standard Rohm chuck.
The OP's hastiness to name Milwaukee smells like a troll.
Do we have a list of known brand-name trollers on this forum?

I'm the OP. First off no I'm not a troll. As one other smart poster said, I have nearly 500 posts and before you go jumping to conclusions take a little time to investigate your accusations. Though I can see you're under 100 posts so please enjoy the forum and be nice. It is one of the greatest sources of information and help I've ever seen from any forum. But on the downside, it's really the thing I hate the most about posting on GJ, that is all of the potentially mean responses you have to endure. It's not very welcoming to be attacked.

The only reason I mentioned a Milwaukee was that I had the chance to use one once, and I noticed the chuck was very smooth & the trigger control was 20 times better than the Dewalt with regards to speed control, startup and braking (slowdown). Part of GJ being so great is helping us to decide what brands to buy. That's why I mentioned another brand that I considered buying.

It's probably just like some GJ members said, most keyless chucks are ****. I'm going to take it into a Dewalt licensed repair shop and see what they say and what options I have. I doubt Dewalt would spend money on a good brand name chuck when they can make them themselves for less. I'd be more interested in hearing what brands of keyless chucks are good?

I won't deny that i put that 20v drill through the ringer using it to mix thinset for my tile jobs around the house. Fireplace, garage floor, 2 bathrooms. But I'd expect a Dewalt drill to survive all that, it's designed and marketed as a workhorse. It is a top level drill is it not? It doesn't bounce around in a truck, it's a garage king. No the chuck doesn't slip or loosen, I always tighten it enough. But it's definitely got a bad spot in it, which doesn't allow me to loosen it sometimes, hangs on tightening and can be a pain trying to use it sometimes. Then I got a 12v smaller Dewalt over the holidays and have very light use on it, and now it's chuck is getting rough. So I'm really confused on that one why it would have problems after very very little use.

My old work had a "Albrecht" keyless chuck on the drill press, and you're right it was really nice !! I bought a cheaper keyless chuck for my bench drill press at home and it's great. But it's also heavy and I wouldn't want that on the end of my cordless drill....
 
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cbracer, check your 12 volt drill to see if the screw inside the chuck has loosened. I have the same one, was having problems with the chuck, got to the point I was going to change it. That's when I found the screw inside the chuck had backed off, tightened it, and all is well again.
 

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I'm sorry for calling you a troll.

I just couldn't tell since your post was very anti-brand, and very pro-another brand, with almost no understanding of what's going on - just simply calling it "****". Why do you call it ****? Because the square peg won't go into the round hole? You call the chuck "****" because a device that's measured on its ability to tightly hold something stays too tight? Do you see why I thought you were a troll?

Most Rohm Keyless chucks are designed to tighten as they are used. This isn't ****. This is an awesome feature - a slipping chuck is 100x worse than a non-loosening chuck. I've had bits slip on the keyed chucks when drilling steel - stops all work and creates a burr on the bit and really interferes with process, since I need to file down the burr. The Rohm prevents this from happening.

But as you can tell, it causes an issue if you use the drill as a motor for something and just run it all day.

The easiest way to deal with this is to occasionally loosen the chuck and re-tighten it. Doesn't take long.

Second, you can loosen the chuck via a strap wrench. The leverage really helps.

Third, you can swap out the chuck for another non-Rohm keyless. There's ton of them around for cheap.
 
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Not sure about dewalt stuff, but generally speaking all keyless chucks are ****.

I second. I can't count the drills a keyless chuck (even Jacobs) has screwed up. At best they are good for light duty work (drilling in wood or other soft material) or chucking a hex bit. The keyed jacobs chuck on my old makita 1/2" drill will break your wrist and wrap the cord around the drill before chewing up a drill. Even the chinese chuck (keyed) on an old cheap craftsman drill seldom slipped on drills. Basically, keyless chucks aren't for drill bits.
 
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The keyless chuck on my early 2000s bosch drills were noticeably nicer than the one on the brushless dewalt I bought to replace it.
The dewalt loves to slip on round bits when drilling metal...
 

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Since around 1990 I've owned let's say 10 Dewalt cordless drills from 12v to 14.4v to 18v, currently I have only one and it's corded. Hammer drills, non hammer, made no difference. Haven't ever had what OP is describing. However they should be replaceable there's a LH thread screw down the center to take it off, or you may have to chuck it in a vise and run it in reverse. I forget which on them.

Currently have two M12 drills, fuel hammer & right angle drill. Had the non fuel M12, had the cman nextec which was essentially the same, had no issues with any of my Milwaukee chucks either.

And I have currently 3 Bosch 18v, one other I gave away, none of the four had any issues either.

In fact I haven't had any chuck issues out of a no name (or maybe HF) air drill, right angle adapter either.

Between my work truck and shop I've got 3 bosch 18v, one dewalt 20v and 2 corded dewalt one keyed and one keyless. Of all those drills the 20v has the best chuck. The bosch chucks have a bad habit of chucking off center and dropping bits. Haven't had a milwaukee drill in several years, so can't say on the current crop.

In their defense the bosch chucks were very nice when new. I think the oldest drill is about 6 years and the newest probably around 3 years old. They see alot of use and no doubt chucks are getting pretty worn.
This is interesting to me. Not all my Bosch drills say Rohm on the chuck, but the nicest among them do. I wonder, if they are sourcing different chucks for different models maybe yours and my cheaper one are the same? However, I would suggest chucking a drill off center is more operator error.
 

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I have friends who are designers/engineers at Black and Decker which makes Dewalt tools. They had a couple years recently where the chuck desgin was modified slightly to save money and it came back and bit them in the rear. They say they have fixed the issue now, time will tell.
 

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Many of the newer drills now come with an ALL METAL keyless chuck, and they grip much better. I have several Bosch drills that slip no matter hard you tighten them (and are now rarely used), while my newer drills with the all-metal chucks grip like crazy even when tapping 3/8" holes.
 

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I have a keyless 1/2" Dewalt corded drill that's only seen light use. Just whatever I need it for around home. It stays in my tool box when not used. The chuck has got harder and harder to turn and is now locked up. Is it difficult to remove? Can it be freed up and lubricated?

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The DeWalt chucks are top notch. In fact, they're so much better than Milwaukee I won't even consider buying Milwaukee drills after my last experiences. DeWalt uses rohm chucks from Germany on their 1/2" drills, which are very nice with carbide jaws. The Milwaukee uses Chinese chucks with hardened steel/wears out of round, slips, and in my case-bent on the very first hole I drilled. Pathetic.

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Interesting, I didnt realize Dewalt was using Rohm.

Can you post pics, thanks.
 

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Dayum! Well here I am with my almighty M18/12 Fuels and those chucks **** ***.

Just had one start seizing up, if I run to full closure and back several times it will start getting super hot.
 
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I have an early 2000's 18v DeWalt that never gave me trouble and then replaced it with a lithium 18 volt DeWalt maybe 5 years back. The newer Dewalt had been terrible. Bits slip all the time. I've even had them drop out a couple times after use. Now that second drill was a promo at Lowes. I've often wondered if the promo package just used a cheaper chuck or if DeWalt had just moved to cheaper tools. I hope jkeyser14's friends are right about a design change. Presently I'm not sure that I would buy DeWalt again.
 

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Interesting, I didnt realize Dewalt was using Rohm.

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I have Craftsman 3/8 and 1/2, a 1/2 Dewalt corded and the ones that have the tightest keyless chucks are my 3/8 Harbor Freight.
I'd like to see what model you're talking about.
I always buy the very best I can afford, and my coworker buys the cheapest **** he can find. He has one of those he claims he's had four years, but he's known for his storytelling, and I've seen him replace the battery several times, despite his claim that it's the same battery for years.
I wouldn't knock you for buying it, if it suits your purposes-but I know that tool don't compare in any shape or form to a DeWalt. DeWalt and Metabo have all metal chucks with carbide jaws, while that tool is plastic with steel jaws. No comparison.

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I have 3 2oV cordless Dewalts. No problem with any of their chucks. I never loosen or tighten them under power. I also have a.5 inch SPI chuck I use in my mill/drill. Got it for $60 @ a pawn shop. super chuck.
 

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I'd like to see what model you're talking about.
I always buy the very best I can afford, and my coworker buys the cheapest **** he can find. He has one of those he claims he's had four years, but he's known for his storytelling, and I've seen him replace the battery several times, despite his claim that it's the same battery for years.
I wouldn't knock you for buying it, if it suits your purposes-but I know that tool don't compare in any shape or form to a DeWalt. DeWalt and Metabo have all metal chucks with carbide jaws, while that tool is plastic with steel jaws. No comparison.

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This is my favorite hammer i've change the handle five times and the head three times

As for dewalt drills I got a Nicad one a couple years ago new. Been dropped beat up abused gone through hundreds of full batteries chuck still feels good maybe I got lucky


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The condition of a bit should not be overlooked. If a bit was slipped and gouged up when used with a crappy chuck; I don't want that buggered up piece of **** near My good drills.
Terrible way to spread infections.
 

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I have 3 2oV cordless Dewalts. No problem with any of their chucks. I never loosen or tighten them under power. I also have a.5 inch SPI chuck I use in my mill/drill. Got it for $60 @ a pawn shop. super chuck.

When you say "I never loosen or tighten them under power" you mean you dont adjust the chuck jaws by pulling the trigger?!

Wow, I would literally have to look away every time you take 10x longer to manually adjust your chuck otherwise my head might explode from watching.

If I added up all the time I wouldve wasted doing this, we'd be talking days.
 

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Ah, yes. Same here.... most the time.

For a second I thought you were hand spinning the jaws all the way in and out.
 

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When I came on board my current company 16 months ago we had 2 M18 hammer drills that were well used and 2 DeWalt 20v that were well used. We didn't have trouble with the M18 chucks until we were installing a door closer and hit the grout in the frame that powder went right in the chuck and ruined it, later that day my coworker let the blue smoke out of both m18 drills and that was the end of them.

We now have 5 DeWalt 20v, 1 M12 and 1 Metabo 18v drills. I don't have problems with them chucking up bits. I run the chuck by hand or at a really slow speed to size then tighten it down. when I first started using them I would just power tighten the bit and drill away but I found out it works way better to size the chuck up by hand or slow speed then almost ratchet it down by hand. I don't have any issue spinning drills in the chuck even as small as #29
 
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