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Why are mini-split popular heat source for garages ?

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I will attempt to answer the question in the title, but I am not an expert on this topic so hopefully those who are will add mor and/or correct my mistakes !

What is a mini-split ?
A mini-split is a type of heat pump. It is called "mini" because they (originally) were fairly small capacity and would only heat/cool one room (more on this later).

A heat pump is just an air conditioner that can be run forward or backwards. By backwards I mean cooling the outside and heating the inside.

Why are they "suddenly" popular ?
The technology has been around for awhile, but because, until somewhat recently, they would only service 1 interior room. They are extremely efficient, so the cost of operation is low !

Why are they so efficient ?
There are a couple of reasons. (In the following, do not think of "heat" as how hot it feels to you. Instead think of "heat" more like water that can be moved from Point A to Point B.)

Heat pumps, in general, are fairly efficient because they do not "make" heat (burning a fuel or heating a wire with electricity). They simply move "heat" from one location to another. A standard A/C just moves heat outside. When running in "reverse", it moves heat inside.

Most heat pumps are capable of moving heat from outside to inside at 100% efficiency down to about 20-30F. The better min-splits will work to a much lower temperature (-10F with some loss in efficiency). Like any air conditioner, they start loosing efficiency around 95F.

Because a heat pump does not "make" heat, it only moves it, a heat pump USES MUCH LESS ENERGY (electricity) than almost all "heat sources* when the ambient temperature is between about 30F and 70F !

(* Coal and wood are excellent low cost sources of heat, especially if you can get the fuel cheap/free. Most people do not want the hassle of coal or wood)

Mini-splits typically use "inverter technolgy" compressors. The compressor is the component that uses most of the electricity. An inverter allows the controls to run the compressor at a variable speed, just enough to meet the load.

Another reason for their high efficiency is there is no ductwork. The air handler is mounted in the room to be heat/cooled typically on a wall and has its own fan and thermostat. Refrigerant lines are usually run directly through the wall from inside to outside and the straight to a outside compressor unit which is much smaller than a typical A/C compressor.

You said "one room". How big ? What if I have more than 1 room ?
This is where modern technology has really helped the popularity of the mini-split !

Large rooms, like a garage, are not a problem because all you have to do is add more inside unit that are plumbed back to the same outside unit, which now typically come with 4-6 sets of taps ! For one room, the interior units are "slaved" together to one wireless thermostat so they all run at the same time ! For really BIG rooms, you might have 3-4 units on one wall, plumbed to one compressor and 3-4 more units on an opposite wall, plumbed to a second compressor, but they all will run off of one thermostat !

Got multiple rooms ? Put one interior unit in each ! They are not cheap and plumbing interior rooms (especially of an existing building) is difficult. A typical 3 bedroom 1-1/2 bath house, might need 6 or more interior units (each with its own thermostat) for maximum comfort. Not very cost effective compared to central heat and A/C.


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Okay, what are the down sides ?

If you live in a climate where you frequently get multiple days/night where the temperature drops below zero, this might not be the best heat source for you. Adding a second heat source (like a portable heater in a garage) IS a good idea for those really cold days/nights.

Like any "all electric" heat source, if your power goes out, you have no heat ! If you live somewhere where you experience frequent or extended power outages, at a minimum, you need a backup (LP "fireplace").



Like any "new"/popular technology there are the first tier players (Mitsubishi, Toshiba and a couple of other) and then "the rest of the world". This a case of "you get what you pay for", especially if cold weather performance is important ! BUYER BEWARE !! Learn to understand the specs or you made be cold come winter !
 

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My entire 2,600 sqft house is cooled/heated by mini-splits. One head unit in each bedroom, and two heads in the open living/kitchen area provide plenty of cold/heat for normal days. When we get a few days that are really cold, the heat pump struggles to keep up, which is why I super-insulated the house. Like TheOldWizard said, we have back-up heat and power, just in case.
 

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I've wondered, could a head unit be installed in each end of the house and have the furnace fan turned on to spread the cool air arund the other parst of the house??

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I've wondered, could a head unit be installed in each end of the house and have the furnace fan turned on to spread the cool air arund the other parst of the house??

Too many variables, but not likely, especially in a house with individual rooms.



Mini-splits do NOT work well as a retro-fit into existing homes. Too many individual rooms.

If you have an addition, they are perfect for that room !
 

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Returned to where?

The unit in the wall ***** air in from the side/bottom and blows it back into the room after a trip across the evaporator/condenser. Think of it like a window A/C unit set to recirculate inside air... which can also heat the air. And where the noisy part (the compressor) is remotely installed outside like it would be with central A/C.

There are no air ducts with a mini-split. This is why each bedroom in a house needs its own head unit.
 
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I've been looking to get one of the heat pump style window units for my garage. No way I could justify the cost of a mini-split but a 300-400$ window unit is tempting and I think they operate in a similar fashion. Being able to heat and cool would be a big benefit. Sorta like a mini-mini-split?
 
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How is return air and filtration handled?

"Return air" is just sucked in through the bottom. There is a built in (typically washable) air filter. I have never seen one with an electronic air cleaner or even a high MERV rating replaceable filter.
 

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I've been looking to get one of the heat pump style window units for my garage. No way I could justify the cost of a mini-split but a 300-400$ window unit is tempting and I think they operate in a similar fashion. Being able to heat and cool would be a big benefit. Sorta like a mini-mini-split?



Can you list some window units that has heat pump function?
 

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Nobody has mentioned the hotel motel PTAC one piece unit that are a cheaper option than mini-splits. They come in heat pump models up to about 18,000 BTU capacities and since they are one piece units do not require a HVAC tech for installation. That is one of the reasons almost all hotel/motel units use some brand of PTAC's. And also most brands fit the same wall mount so slide old out and new in. Just giving this as another option to consider, about 1/2 price or less than mini split on initial cost and no expensive installation requirement.
 
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Nobody has mentioned the hotel motel PTAC one piece unit that are a cheaper option than mini-splits. They come in heat pump models up to about 18,000 BTU capacities and since they are one piece units do not require a HVAC tech for installation. That is one of the reasons almost all hotel/motel units use some brand of PTAC's.

You can do a google search of PTAC and garage journal and find a lot of info. Here's my take, ptacs are inefficient, loud, don't filter well, and are really just throw away appliances.

I agree with Ohmthis. Less efficient and noisier. Some PTAC use resistance heat.

The advantage of PTAC for hotels and apartments is that they are easy to swap. Pull the old one, install the new one in probably less than 30 minutes. Keep 4 or 6 on hand. When you are down to your last 2, send the others out for repair.
 

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I've wondered, could a head unit be installed in each end of the house and have the furnace fan turned on to spread the cool air arund the other parst of the house??

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That is what I'm planning on doing in my house, it has 3 small bedrooms, then the living, dining and kitchen are all 1 big room with one dividing room. I talked with a sales guy and probably put a 18k btu unit in the dining room then a smaller 12k unit in my bedroom at the other end of the house and should do ok, I understand its not working with the units strong suite but i'm not going to put units in rooms I barely ever use.
 

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I bought mine for $1000. LOVE it. Quickly cools and heats my 625sf garage. Very quiet too. Only $150 more than a window shaker. No brainer...
 
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I've been looking to get one of the heat pump style window units for my garage. No way I could justify the cost of a mini-split but a 300-400$ window unit is tempting and I think they operate in a similar fashion. Being able to heat and cool would be a big benefit. Sorta like a mini-mini-split?

I looked at heat / cool window units, but I also have a humidity problem. $500 to $600 or so for a comparable size window unit, plus $200 to $300 for a dehumidifier, and I decided to go with a cheap $1,100 mini split. I'm not supposed to have window units, and didn't want to lose a window anyway, so... We'll see how this goes, hope to finish the install in the next couple days.

Jason
 

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My entire 2,600 sqft house is cooled/heated by mini-splits. One head unit in each bedroom, and two heads in the open living/kitchen area provide plenty of cold/heat for normal days. When we get a few days that are really cold, the heat pump struggles to keep up, which is why I super-insulated the house. Like TheOldWizard said, we have back-up heat and power, just in case.

how far north are you? any estimates for how many days you had to run an alternate source in a winter besides last winter which was crazy warm.
 

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That is what I'm planning on doing in my house, it has 3 small bedrooms, then the living, dining and kitchen are all 1 big room with one dividing room. I talked with a sales guy and probably put a 18k btu unit in the dining room then a smaller 12k unit in my bedroom at the other end of the house and should do ok, I understand its not working with the units strong suite but i'm not going to put units in rooms I barely ever use.

I've done this in multiple homes, not with the mshp's, but with the Rinnai Energysavers. It does work, but with the inverter units you may not need to run the fan. Inverters modulate. Unless grossly oversized you will generally have constant air circulation. With two units operating, depending upon location and layout of the home, you will likely end up with excellent even temps throughout the place.
 

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With two units operating, depending upon location and layout of the home, you will likely end up with excellent even temps throughout the place.

Unless the thermostats are mismatched with one heating, the other cooling, then they would fight each other.
 

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Unless the thermostats are mismatched with one heating, the other cooling, then they would fight each other.

:thumb:Actually, if it is a dual "residential" system vs the VRF (commercial) type both units must be on either heating or cooling or the condensing unit will not operate. If there were two individual units, each with its own condensing unit then you could be in H on one and C on the other and yes they would fight each other.
 

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I've done this in multiple homes, not with the mshp's, but with the Rinnai Energysavers. It does work, but with the inverter units you may not need to run the fan. Inverters modulate. Unless grossly oversized you will generally have constant air circulation. With two units operating, depending upon location and layout of the home, you will likely end up with excellent even temps throughout the place.

Thanks, my plan is the main one in the dining room will be the one that is run the most as right now even with no ac my place is pretty decent and the bedroom one will be mostly to cool that room or if its really hot then run that with the door open to cool that end of the house.

I was surprised when the sales guy said they had a houses that were cooled by 1 unit and my BIL on training service calls in Chicago was in multiple places that single units had no issue cooling down.
 
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:thumb:Actually, if it is a dual "residential" system vs the VRF (commercial) type both units must be on either heating or cooling or the condensing unit will not operate. If there were two individual units, each with its own condensing unit then you could be in H on one and C on the other and yes they would fight each other.

Almost all mini-splits have wireless thermostats that can be "slaved" together so they are never fighting each other.
 

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Almost all mini-splits have wireless thermostats that can be "slaved" together so they are never fighting each other.

I didn't know they can do that, when I'm actually able to do the AC it will be Mitsubishi and the main head will have the upgraded thermostat that is wifi connectable and I can control it with my phone when i'm away.
 

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Using a single unit to cool the space can be done, depending upon lay-out and position of the unit. If it is necessary to gain some air circulation you can add a Tjernlund Air-Share transfer fan. Panasonic makes one now too, but I think the Tjernlund is a better design.

Should you choose to go with a dual unit, check the cost of the dual vs single units. Singles generally have much higher efficiencies available. The big price jump on multis seems to be in the triple and up, but it is still a good exercise.
 

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Likely resistance hear ! $$$ !!

I'm already heating my garage with resistence heat so I wouldn't be worried about it. Last winter I ran a radiant heating tile on the wall to keep the garage above freezing, and then ran a small space heater when I was actually in there to bring the temperature up to tolerable.

Also I don't know if all of the window units are resistive. Maybe some of the more expensive ones are heat pumps? It's hard to find much out about them.
 

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I think what makes the mini splits so popular is the high efficiency of the units. In a time where energy can be expensive, they can be several times more efficient. A typical split system is around 13-14 seer, you can get a MSHP in the 27-30 seer. It will also (depending on which unit) heat down to -5 to -14* f. They also dont require duct work, cutting large holes in the framing (PTAC), or fill a ueful window. They are unbelievably quiet too. They do have their downside though. They need the filter cleaned more than typical systems and the fan and coil need to be cleaned on schedule, which can be cumbersome.
 

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I think what makes the mini splits so popular is the high efficiency of the units. In a time where energy can be expensive, they can be several times more efficient. A typical split system is around 13-14 seer, you can get a MSHP in the 27-30 seer. It will also (depending on which unit) heat down to -5 to -14* f. They also dont require duct work, cutting large holes in the framing (PTAC), or fill a ueful window. They are unbelievably quiet too. They do have their downside though. They need the filter cleaned more than typical systems and the fan and coil need to be cleaned on schedule, which can be cumbersome.

This is the real story. These minisplit things are ugly and look pretty dumb hanging on a wall. Not standard and not like registers. They don't filter as well as the filters of central systems. What really needs to happen is that the central heat pump guys need to get their poop together and use the same technology to deliver the same SEER. Even ignoring duct losses, central units are only good to SEERs in the teens and they don't work when it gets cold. Total ****. Get with it guys.

So since the minis are extremely efficient and work in cold weather they are popular now. I expect/hope that the central guys are trying to be competitive.

Now the minsiplit guys have a market to exploit that they have ignored. They have ignored it since most of their market is in cooling areas. Using these extremely efficient heat pumps to heat water for radiant heating would be a great idea. Only one or two off brands in other countries do this now but for some reason, not yet common in north America where fossil fuel boilers could be pulled out and replaced with heat pumps.
 

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This is the real story. These minisplit things are ugly and look pretty dumb hanging on a wall. Not standard and not like registers. They don't filter as well as the filters of central systems. What really needs to happen is that the central heat pump guys need to get their poop together and use the same technology to deliver the same SEER. Even ignoring duct losses, central units are only good to SEERs in the teens and they don't work when it gets cold. Total ****. Get with it guys.

So since the minis are extremely efficient and work in cold weather they are popular now. I expect/hope that the central guys are trying to be competitive.

Now the minsiplit guys have a market to exploit that they have ignored. They have ignored it since most of their market is in cooling areas. Using these extremely efficient heat pumps to heat water for radiant heating would be a great idea. Only one or two off brands in other countries do this now but for some reason, not yet common in north America where fossil fuel boilers could be pulled out and replaced with heat pumps.

Highbeam, There are higher seer air to air split heat pumps that heat to low ambient, but they are three to five times more than expensive. People are usually skeptical of unproven technology and when it comes with such a high price, tend to wait. When the demand for extremely high efficient split heat pumps is reached, that's when the manufacturers will pull a rabbit out of their hat. Also the duct design for these type of systems needs to be practiced correctly. The price difference between a standard Mini and a low ambient one isn't that much.
 
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