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Art From De Leon

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They seem to have some half way decent prices on tools and shop equipment that is listed in the oversized specials catalog that you can pick up at the store.

BUT, the 'lease to own' terms are money making mofos for CITI Bank, who does the financing.
 
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Napa has some good stuff. I really like their Witte made screwdrivers in particular. My local Napa runs a 40% off sale on all tools 3-4 times per year, which results in some pretty reasonable prices.
 

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I just know that their RHFT ratchets are nice looking and much more expensive than other brands. Their wrenches were good when Easco made them, but I just don't have any more recent experience with them. The other Napa tools I looked at were just really high.
 

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Because their Evercraft line is imported junk.

Years ago NAPA carried New Britain that were top notch before Stanley ran them into the ground. A little later NAPA tools were private label Danaher products that were simply over priced Craftsman.

Today it's Evercraft.

The real question is will NAPA Evercraft get it ???
 

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Napa has some good stuff. I really like their Witte made screwdrivers in particular. My local Napa runs a 40% off sale on all tools 3-4 times per year, which results in some pretty reasonable prices.

Because their Evercraft line is imported junk.

Years ago NAPA carried New Britain that were top notch before Stanley ran them into the ground. A little later NAPA tools were private label Danaher products that were simply over priced Craftsman.

Today it's Evercraft.

The real question is will NAPA Evercraft get it ???

Both true.

I bought one of the Witte made blue and yellow handled screw drivers (phillips) a while back. Best fitting phillips I own. The US made Husky I bought about the same time appears to have been made to fit screws that do not exist... and yes it is better than my Snap-on hard handles.
 

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Napa and Evercraft are two different lines. Much like Snap-on and blue point. The napa tools I have and have had my hands on seem to be good. A mix of Craftsman and Matco items with slightly different finish. Guess I would say NAPA tools are about like Craftsman Pro on average. If warranty in my local NAPA was better I would buy more (used of course) They seem a little high on the Craftsman stuf that is simply rebadged.

I have one of those German NAPA screwdrivers. Sweet!!!
 

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All of our Napa tools here are branded Ultra Pro.
For the most part the have fairly decent tools and the prices are reasonable too.
I have bought tools there over the years and they hold up well.My 3/4 drive impact socket set gets used everyday for work,and they have held up better then my snap on impacts.
 

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I have some Napa tools that get daily use, mostly a 1/2" breaker bar, long handle ratchet, and various german made screwdrivers. Quality stuff and never any hassle at all on warranty issues.
 

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newer napa tools are almost as much as snap on, double craftsman, and they're junk...the ratchets are 78 bucks a piece and works as good as a 30 dollar cman pos..
 

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I've got quite a few of the Napa tools,not the Evercraft tools but the U S made line. They've all been tough as hell,and I have used them day in and day out at work. The last couple of tools I've bought from them came in a KD tools wrapper,I don't know if this applies to all of them though. As for prices,I've done so much buisness with the Napa in my town,when I order a tool,they give me tool sale pricing,even when the actual tool sale isn't going. The only time they can't do it is for Armstrong products,they order them direct from Armstrong and have no pricing leverage. I've priced a few Armstrong tools with them,and they were just insanely expensive,so I buy all of my Armstrong stuff from E-bay. Most of their air tools that I have are rebranded Chicago Pneumatic,they've given me great service as well.
 

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I just found my first real socket I bought on my own. I was in high school in the early 90's. I went to NAPA and got the 1/4 evercraft set. COO is Taiwan. Pretty comparable to my blue point stuff. I know the Carlyle craze has hit and I am not sure if evercraft is even carried anymore.

Sorry to dig this thread up.
 

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I just received my package from hiball. 2 Carlyle socket sets. One sae one metric. 10-24 and 3/8-1 1/4, no skips at all. 3",6" and 10" extensions in each kit. Also a swivel and an 18" breaker bar, plus a pear head ratchet.

I also have 9-19mm 3/8 shallow sockets, and 6-19mm 6 point wrenches. Love them all.

Plus a long 3/8 flex ratchet and a long comfort handle ratchet. 60t and 90t respectively.

Carlyle tools are my go too when i need something now.
 

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In general, I'm only ever buying tools at the car part store if I'm trying to finish a job and can't find something of mine. Late Sunday afternoon is a prime example of when I might end up buying a tool at the car part store instead of running elsewhere to browse the tool section.

I try not to purchase many tools at any car part store. I feel like they are overpriced and low quality.
 

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I have a few from back in the 80's, good solid tools, well made and certainly nothing to be a shame of. Typically they were purchased for a last minute job, I picked up the parts along with the tools, I did not have.
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Love what little carlyle tools i have.
Work great, and buy at shop price, so cant beat it.
 

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This thread has been necromanced from 2009, before all those threads you posted. :p


Honestly, there's so many like tool brands out there nowadays that stand for nothing (Husky, Kobalt, Duralast, and soon Craftsman), this one falls in the same.

Just.
Ain't.
Care.
 

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Elroy wonder where he is Today?

Very old post to say the least; Grasshopper (rice Rocket), not sure where you are coming from, this is devoted to all members that love tools...

Those older Napa tools are fantastic, just like the Williams made (early) kobalt tools.:rocker:
 

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I agree there's some nice stuff hidden beneath, but as a brand, they've failed as a whole. There's no brand identity, there's no brand message. Just the lowest bidder as of late.

The point of strong branding is to lure buyers to you, technical merits aside. It's why a Honda is a Honda, or a BMW is a BMW. Their product reflects their corporate branding and message (conservative, reliable, somewhat appliance-like, or cutting edge, not as reliable, but engaging to drive...respectively), there's a reason for people to seek out their products. Either company could put out the most uncomfortable, most ridiculously unreliable garbage, and they'd still have some buyers (at least shoppers) because of strong branding.

When your product message has become "well it's cheap and it's available in stores", then there's no reason to seek it out, especially for self proclaimed nerds like members of this forum.



Also, I purchased a set of those NOS Kobalt impact sockets myself, but because they're Williams sockets, not Kobalt. They could be garbage for all I know because I haven't used them yet, but that's what strong branding achieves. If it was Kobalt stuff today, sourced from China, I wouldn't have even considered it.
 
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The tools I really miss, is the New Britain line that Napa used to carry. I felt when I bought these tools I was buying a lifetime tool,that my kids would use. Ken.
 

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I agree the NB and EASCO-made NAPA stuff was good, but don't have any info on their recent offerings.
 

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Doesn't help when their own employees don't know about Carlyle.

I went into a Napa store last Saturday, and no one, including the damn store manager knew what Carlyle was, and at one point told me I had the wrong store.

I lost interest instantly.

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Doesn't help when their own employees don't know about Carlyle.

I went into a Napa store last Saturday, and no one, including the damn store manager knew what Carlyle was, and at one point told me I had the wrong store.

I lost interest instantly.

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Carlyle isn't necessarily carried by every store. You should be able to online order it for store pickup, and if the store doesn't stock it (or the manager doesn't know what it is), they still will get it in and take your money. Napa also sells armstrong tools, and most stores don't even know that either, and you have to order online, or go armed with part numbers (the napa part numbers).

Only company owned stores (usually the warehouses) are required to stock and sell Carlyle. Other stores usually don't even mess with it, unless it you special order with part numbers/go in with part numbers (they already are required to stock/sell evercraft, so why bring in two lines to display?).

Long story short, non company owned stores don't have to stock it, and so many choose not to (they are automatically opted out, so they have to ask to sell it).

The manager obviously has his head you know where if he hasn't even heard about it. I could understand a clerk just not knowing because the store doesn't sell it, but I would expect the manager to be aware of it...but then again, they may not care much about tools. Napa has hundreds of thousands of items they sell, and hundreds of brands, and if you don't care about tools, the manager may not know then. Off the top of my head they already sell evercraft, Gearwrench, Crescent, Carlyle and Armstrong. I wouldn't be surprised to find there are more brands of tools they sell too.

EDIT: They have various other Apex tools they sell, Balkamp (some of which overlap with evercraft), Bosch scan tools, Chicago Pneumatic, DeWalt, Ingersol Rand, various tools still sold under just the NAPA name, OTC, Vise grips, and at least a hundred different tool storage brands.
 
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Carlyle isn't necessarily carried by every store. You should be able to online order it for store pickup, and if the store doesn't stock it (or the manager doesn't know what it is), they still will get it in and take your money. Napa also sells armstrong tools, and most stores don't even know that either, and you have to order online, or go armed with part numbers (the napa part numbers).

Only company owned stores (usually the warehouses) are required to stock and sell Carlyle. Other stores usually don't even mess with it, unless it you special order with part numbers/go in with part numbers (they already are required to stock/sell evercraft, so why bring in two lines to display?).

Long story short, non company owned stores don't have to stock it, and so many choose not to (they are automatically opted out, so they have to ask to sell it).

The manager obviously has his head you know where if he hasn't even heard about it. I could understand a clerk just not knowing because the store doesn't sell it, but I would expect the manager to be aware of it...but then again, they may not care much about tools. Napa has hundreds of thousands of items they sell, and hundreds of brands, and if you don't care about tools, the manager may not know then. Off the top of my head they already sell evercraft, Gearwrench, Crescent, Carlyle and Armstrong. I wouldn't be surprised to find there are more brands of tools they sell too.

I get your point.

The manager at the very least could've suggested going online, as opposed to saying I had the wrong store, and Carlyle didn't exist.

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I get your point.

The manager at the very least could've suggested going online, as opposed to saying I had the wrong store, and Carlyle didn't exist.

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Completely true!
 

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I've had good luck with some evercraft stuff.

So I cant really bash them, I have their crows foot wrench sets and they work great and I've abused them.
 

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If i were you.
I would have pulled it up on my phone, looked at him, and said "you sell these, so much for managing a business. I'll buy from a diffrent store now."
 

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It has a lot to do with stores being independent franchises. They carry whatever they want. No Napa near me carries.Carlyle tools. One never even heard of them. Others said they were too expensive and would never sell. I was looking to buy a set of 6pt 1/2 drive metrics. They wouldn't even order them for me.
 

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If i were you.
I would have pulled it up on my phone, looked at him, and said "you sell these, so much for managing a business. I'll buy from a diffrent store now."

Andrew, you're right. Hindsight being 20/20, I missed my opportunity.

Here's a point I didn't bring up previously.

I did send an email to Napa corporate, asking for guidance and an explanation. I told them that I had buying interest that day, which was canceled by their stores representatives disposition.

I'll keep you all informed of how that goes. If it goes anywhere.

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I had seen some apex napa stuff and German napa screwdrivers show up in a liquidation store. So traveling through little town nearby stopped in. Got to asking the guy behind counter said they'd pulled all old tools and sent back. The new napa boards were carlyel.

Napa blue and yellow German screwdrivers were nice.
 

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A lot of the napa brand tools are geared to somewhat of a budget pro.
No issues with my flank drive knock offs, the fill the empty spots of koolaid.

But there good quality, for what you pay. Just not snappy, hardline mac, and matco quality.
 

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The tools I really miss, is the New Britain line that Napa used to carry. I felt when I bought these tools I was buying a lifetime tool,that my kids would use. Ken.

x2 on that. I discovered New Britain just a few years back. Some of the best chrome finishes on sockets I've ever seen. Very high quality. Way better than say old US Craftsman from the same era. - Paul
 
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