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I was planning on becoming an automotive mechanic, but the more I think about it the less I want to be one. Why is it that HVAC techs make just as much money but require much less skills and a fraction of the tools?
 
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It's a case of supply and demand. Huge number of high school kids want to build up cars, as it's a desirable item to have, and in some cliques, a status symbol to customize it yourself. They carry this hobby forward into a possible career.

Few people have a compulsion to build a cool air conditioning system, customize a furnace, do really cool bathroom plumbing, or wire really reliable kitchen outlets. So, those trades don't attract as many entry level people into them. Not as many people wanting to be in the trade equates to higher prices for the work and higher wages earned.
 

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Been discussed many times but to be blunt the Automotive field has become drastically more complex since the 60s, 70s. and 80s however the industry standards for employee selection and training have remained pretty much identical. You haven't been able to fix a car with just a set of wrenches, sockets, and a test light in decades but since tool bills are on the mechanic the shops can ignore that. Unions are also few and far between hence flat rate pay is an industry standard and some (not all) ridiculous book times.

Some, if not most, will say its a terrible field to get into. Some will say they're making great money and are doing fine. Fact of the matter is a auto mechanic or "tech" is still essentially treated as an unskilled profession so the pay is often garbage. Average salary of a mechanic in the US is a pathetic 40k or less while on the flip side, to be truly competent, it requires tens of thousands in tools, a huge wealth of knowledge, a strong body and mind, and continuous training. I struggle to think of a worse field for requiring so much and getting so little in return. You can offset this by getting into good gigs like government fleet or private (that pay well and have good benefits), beating flat rate with tricks and unsavory methods, or becoming specialized in drivability/electrical which is extremely important as vehicles become more and more of a giant computer. The more you know the more you're worth but even then you may have to travel a good bit to find good money. Road techs, heavy equipment, oil and gas, marine etc.. in general all pay better so if you just like playing with and fixing mechanical stuff don't limit yourself to just the automotive field.

If you think you're going to make great money doing brakes, exhaust, suspension and the occasional transmission/engine swap think again. As hard as you might work you're too redundant and employers will abuse that fact and pay you poorly.

Other trades like HVAC, plumbers, electricians, have a similar crappy journeyman program but once that's done your pay can skyrocket (area dependent), and you know your paycheck will be reasonably steady so less worry about paying bills. A shop on flat rate can be a bit like a roller coaster at times.

I'd tell anyone who is thinking about becoming a mechanic to stay in school. Finish high school/get your GED, find a local community college with automotive classes and take them along with others such as business/accounting (to name something common, but there are many choices). This will get you credits and give you an out if you get burned out in your first few years as a mechanic or change your mind. A lot of young guys enjoy doing drive-way repairs and think the field is for them but quickly realize its no fun doing it 5-6 days a week. Whatever you do, do not waste your education funds on a pricey technical college. The vast majority teach you very little and send you on your way AND your "education" is worthless for anything other than a highlight on an automotive resume.
 
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I find it rewarding to fix stuff. The pay is ok if you get the right gig (respectable living). When I was in high school, I wanted to get into automotive/motorcycle service (I drove old cars and rode old bikes... it was fun).

Somewhere I talked myself out of it (costs of tuition, what seemed like low wages at the time). I ended up getting into it eventually anyway. I had the right mix of skills, buzzwords, test scores, and luck to end up in a government fleet shop. I'm not the best at what I do, but I certainly am persistent, don't say no to given tasks, and will find a way to get **** back on the road. The worst day wrenching still beats the best day on a phone, behind a desk, at a loading dock etc. There can be good money in it. Fleet shops are NOT the norm in the service world.

HVAC, Aviation, and Diesel also seem to be great fields, with very good pay, and healthy demand. I sometimes regret not getting more specialized with my wrenching... but when college failed me, I fell back on prior skills (always fixed my own stuff), and it's lucrative, the benefits are decent, and it comes with a retirement after putting in my time. That's more than a lot of places will give.

I subscribe to a different mindset with work though. I don't buy into this "find a job you love" ********. I say find a job that you like most days, and love some days. All jobs/careers will have days that make you curse in frustration. Find one that makes good enough money, that you can tolerate for the next 20-30 years, and be happy being stable. It also helps if the core subject of your field interests you. If you really dig flight, and like working with your hands, aviation mechanic might not be the worst thing, for example.
 

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Go into industrial, lots of money to be had.

Auto mechanics have a difficult job with todays vehicles. I had to do some work on a company cobalt that I diagnosed with a bad idle air relay/valve, and in turn filled the air pump full of water (condensation) trashing it. My god, they need to scale back child labor laws, because I needed one to reach up in some of those spots.

I really get what you guys have been saying about the 1/4 being more widely used.

I guess I am spoiled that the stuff I work on is not as cramped.
 
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Don't work on Joe blows car, Joe blow needs money for the latest iPhone. Get into heavy equipment/diesel truck repair.
 

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I did it to play with real Tonka Toys. When I'm having a bad day I spend 10 minutes re parking the equipment that day shift leaves sprawled everywhere. Always works as a perfect reset of my headspace.
 

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Speaking as an HVAC contractor I don't know how you young techs work on today's cars. The wife's late model car is a horror to do any but the simplest jobs.

A/C's generally are not too bad technically or logistically, though things are rapidly changing with the newer computer driven monsters. I'd have to say the awful working conditions on roofs and attics - plus the outrageous cost of specialized equipment and regulations - are why HVAC techs get paid more per hour.
 

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Speaking as an HVAC contractor I don't know how you young techs work on today's cars. The wife's late model car is a horror to do any but the simplest jobs.

A/C's generally are not too bad technically or logistically, though things are rapidly changing with the newer computer driven monsters. I'd have to say the awful working conditions on roofs and attics - plus the outrageous cost of specialized equipment and regulations - are why HVAC techs get paid more per hour.

AC guys make a boatload here in AZ, but you are correct, they have some messed up conditions in the heat.
 

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Funny, the grass is always greener in another field, HVAC has ups and downs just like any other job, I know several that lost there jobs and had trouble getting another with decent pay after the housing bubble burst, just like auto repair sucked after cash for clunkers.

You need to find a career you enjoy, yes for the first several years pay will ****, I am currently training 2 new techs they average 25 hrs a week compared to my 50+ hrs, they both have a min. Pay so they are not on a true flat rate, but as you learn you will learn how to make hours, efficiency doesn't come in a day or a week. As for those that complain that there is no money in auto repair either could not hack flat rate,i.e. too slow to beat book, incompetent and got fired, or were never good enough to properly diagnose cars correctly. You may also hear you will have to lie and cheat customers big old BS, if you look on most cars over 50k miles you can find legitimate work, I do it everyday.

Good luck in your choice
 

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Started working on cars so I could use tools. And the feeling of completing something is nice.
 

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Aviation. Nice and clean.

I see as-removed turbine engine parts everyday and they're filthy. It's just like any other engine. As a general statement aviation is cleaner than autos but it's definitely not all clean. Definitely a good career though.
 

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I ask myself the same damn question at least once a week...

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Consider facilities maintanance on a professional level, there's big bucks in corporate and industrial facilities maintanance today, someone with a good mechanical knowledge, hvac experience, and a little bit of home brew engineer in them can really shine in this career.

Also many of the guys doing it now are reaching the end of their careers and the college system has yet to turn out a crop of people that can do the job.
 

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Industrial is where its at.

A very good friend of mine is a auto mechanic i make more have fewer tools and usually have a easier day.
 

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Speaking as an HVAC contractor I don't know how you young techs work on today's cars. The wife's late model car is a horror to do any but the simplest jobs.

A/C's generally are not too bad technically or logistically, though things are rapidly changing with the newer computer driven monsters. I'd have to say the awful working conditions on roofs and attics - plus the outrageous cost of specialized equipment and regulations - are why HVAC techs get paid more per hour.

I am an ac tech pulling in around 120k.
 
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Got my a&p but I now do industrial at a corrugated box plant. I work a lot of hours but the pay check is a ton more than any aviation gig wanted to start me at. If I keep working like I am now I will be debt free, including my mortgage, in the next 5 years and I'm only 27. Plus, there are box plants all over the country looking for techs all of the time so there's tons of job security.
 

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Speaking as an HVAC contractor I don't know how you young techs work on today's cars. The wife's late model car is a horror to do any but the simplest jobs.

A/C's generally are not too bad technically or logistically, though things are rapidly changing with the newer computer driven monsters. I'd have to say the awful working conditions on roofs and attics - plus the outrageous cost of specialized equipment and regulations - are why HVAC techs get paid more per hour.

Brother in law and father in law both get reimbursed for anything they buy. Brother in law takes more more after 3 years than I do after 10. Father in law is well over 6 figures. And everything they need is paid for

Only reason I didn't do hvac is crawl spaces and attics. And I'm not comfortable in other people's homes.
 

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Speaking just from the having a job aspect, simply being a wrench turner will allow you to get a job anywhere. Doesn't mean you will be the best paid but at least you can get a job. I work at O'Reilly's and a few of my co-workers are mechanics/ service workers. So of course you may not find a job in a shop but at least any auto part shop would be more willing to pick you up over someone like myself who only had retail experience (then again I have caught on real quickly and have a demi promotion with my company already)

The one thing that I see with many mechanics and shops (I do sales calls for said places) is the advertising. Well the lack of advertising. So far I mainly see a lot of retail customers complain about labor costs yet they only places they call is dealerships. And many of the mom and pop shops don't advertise themselves nor show their labor costs near their shops yet typically their labor costs are many times in half. If you do own your own shop (no matter what field it is) advertising is you best friend in this field next to word of mouth.
 

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That's an excellent question but, I honestly think of any reason why I would recommend anyone become an auto tech. Sorry but, I would recommend getting as much education as you can perhaps go into the healthcare or IT fields. :dunno:
 

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I have been an auto mechanic for the last 16 years. If you like a job where you can show up for work and not get paid a cent, it might be for you. If you like a job where you purchase 10s of thousands of dollars worth of tools over time, and get no return on your investment, then its for you. If you like a job where everyone is fake nice to each other yet watch every move you make, to make sure you're not making more hours than them, go for it. Do you like a job with among the worst benefits of any trade? Do not get into it. Being a technician is a whole different ball game than guys who like fixing stuff on the side. It was very good for a lot of years, but those years are gone. In the 90s you could make 100K being a mechanic. Now, 50K is probably normal for a good tech. The game has been so gamed by both the manufacturers and especially the dealerships. They found out they can ram a pry bar where the sun doesn't shine, dry, and you can't do anything about it. The only guys making any money in the auto game are either the one or two guys in every shop that have been there forever, thus get the premium work, or a guy with worn out kneepads. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, 9 out of 10 times they're in denial.
I got out and now work in industrial automation. It was a lateral move to start a new career with real benefits. The auto business is in a race to the bottom right now. There are no qualified people going in and the smart ones are diving off a sinking ship, or are old enough to get out. That does not mean there is a lot of opportunity. If you like being a mechanic, check out heavy equipment and diesel. They are paying and paying well.
 

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OP, I don't know your location but have you ever considered the shipyard industry? I'm an outside machinist, $22 and some cents an hour and there's plenty of overtime. It's been a slow year for me, overtime wise and I'm past my basic yearly salary already. I'll make close to $60k this year. But I don't have to supply my own tools, and if you don't like overtime, you don't have to work it. It's gov't shipyard so there's plenty of benefits like a pension on top of a 401k and room for promotion and advancement. It's basically a trade that if I had to leave, I could find a job doing heavy equipment maintenance or even diesel work.
 

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I'm a heavy equipment/diesel mechanic and I have been asking myself this question for the last 19 years. I went to WyoTech for diesel, I only went because I had no idea what else to do and a buddy of mine went right out of high school. I went a few years after. You really have to love equipment and be in great physical condition to work on this stuff. I have been doing it for 19 years(not at the same place) and still want out of it every year. I am 40 now and just noticing that some things are getting harder to do and when I start to think I have at least another 20 years to go I start hurting. If you do go into heavy equipment try to get into a union shop like I am in. Start young enough you may be able to retire in your 50's after 30 years. I feel I'm too old to start over at square one and the thought of my pension when I retire is what keeps me in this job. I just hope I can physically make it. A co-worker of mine started where I work when he was 20, he is 35 now and can retire at 50 and collect a pension.
If you were to work at a heavy equipment dealer, working in a component shop isn't a bad job but you just don't get much troubleshooting experience. I started in an engine shop but wanted to learn other areas of the equipment so I transferred to their main shop, now I wish I was back in the component shop. It isn't the worst career, it just isn't for everyone.
 

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I recommend all kids avoid this industry. It's not worth it, and I hope to live to see the day that shops and dealerships choke on the **** they have created.
 

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generally speaking - you will only climb as high as you make yourself in either field, or ANY field for that matter. im not trying to degrade one career path over another, but more young people get into working on cars cause just about anyone can buy a socket set and do their own brakes, struts or exhaust in a driveway. with scan tools now its even easier for people to work on their own cars and change a sensor here and there, or break out a meter to test sensors and plugs. plus, cars are cool for alot of young guys and that alone will be a big draw.

hvac on the other hand requires some more specialized tools and knowledge to even get started. its not like your gonna spend $100 on tools to start doing repairs. also - whats better IMO for hvac - (at least residential) is people dont want to "experiment" with fixing their A/C in june whens its 90 outside and its hot in the house, or with their heat in december. they need it fixed, and they want it fixed NOW.. no borrowing a furnace for a week like you can with a car..

whats good about both jobs is that you can basically move anywhere and find work. also - you have a big opportunity to bring in side work in either field if your willing to put in the hours... they are both one of those fields where if you want/need extra money, all you have to do is work.. personally id pick doing Hvac over auto work every day of the week. at least with hvac your not confined to one building, and your out driving around (not a bad thing if you find work for a utility company). you have a greater opportunity finding work for a large company that can provide you with a better wage and benefit package - leaving you more time and less stress to do some side jobs if you want to. honestly you couldnt pay me enough to be a mechanic, esp to work for a dealership.. how their billing system is even considered legal these days is beyond me.
 
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That's an excellent question but, I honestly think of any reason why I would recommend anyone become an auto tech. Sorry but, I would recommend getting as much education as you can perhaps go into the healthcare or IT fields. :dunno:

I disagree, anyone with mechanical skills can make good money. Most industrial plants will hire someone at the bottom of the food chain and you will move up.

Most industrial mechanics make 20+ a hour after a few years of experience. Most companies will pay for any classes and certificates too. Sure beats having to pay off a student loan for the rest of your life. I may add too many have 401k and health benefits.

I have many friends that went to school got the 4 and 6 year degrees in good fields (IT, law, business) they make less, and have a harder time finding work. You can train anyone to do something, but you cannot train a competent mechanic, that's a birth skill that needs to be honed.

Skilled trades is where it is at.
 

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I disagree, anyone with mechanical skills can make good money. Most industrial plants will hire someone at the bottom of the food chain and you will move up.

Most industrial mechanics make 20+ a hour after a few years of experience. Most companies will pay for any classes and certificates too. Sure beats having to pay off a student loan for the rest of your life. I may add too many have 401k and health benefits.

I have many friends that went to school got the 4 and 6 year degrees in good fields (IT, law, business) they make less, and have a harder time finding work. You can train anyone to do something, but you cannot train a competent mechanic, that's a birth skill that needs to be honed.

Skilled trades is where it is at.

Perhaps. I was just voicing my personal opinion. The fleet job I have is probably the best auto tech job I've seen. It has great benefits, you don't have to sell anyone anything and there's no flat rate. However before getting this job, I worked at a GM dealership and then at a city fleet. I did well at the dealership and could make a decent living just from warranty work. :lol: However, there were no benefits like sick leave so, I tried a city fleet gig which had weird hours but, a great working environment with benefits. My fleet gig is the exception. Life at a flat rate dealership can be feast or famine in flat rate land. You can be the best tech in the world but, if customers don't bring their cars in or don't want to spend money on their car, income prospects aren't so good.
I viewed the op's question as what if one of my children asked me about being a mechanic, and responded accordingly. Both of my kids are RNs doing well for themselves. Then there's the whole public perception about mechanics with the 2% of screwed up shops and techs ruining it for the rest who are honest and hardworking :dunno::beer:
 
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I disagree, anyone with mechanical skills can make good money. Most industrial plants will hire someone at the bottom of the food chain and you will move up.

Most industrial mechanics make 20+ a hour after a few years of experience. Most companies will pay for any classes and certificates too. Sure beats having to pay off a student loan for the rest of your life. I may add too many have 401k and health benefits.

I have many friends that went to school got the 4 and 6 year degrees in good fields (IT, law, business) they make less, and have a harder time finding work. You can train anyone to do something, but you cannot train a competent mechanic, that's a birth skill that needs to be honed.

Skilled trades is where it is at.

im gonna go out on a limb and say your still young..
 

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Perhaps. I was just voicing my personal opinion. The fleet job I have is probably the best auto tech job I've seen. It has great benefits, you don't have to sell anyone anything and there's no flat rate. However before getting this job, I worked at a GM dealership and then at a city fleet. I did well at the dealership and could make a decent living just from warranty work. :lol: However, there were no benefits like sick leave so, I tried a city fleet gig which had weird hours but, a great working environment with benefits. My fleet gig is the exception. Life at a flat rate dealership can be feast or famine in flat rate land. You can be the best tech in the world but, if customers don't bring their cars in or don't want to spend money on their car, income prospects aren't so good.
I viewed the op's question as what if one of my children asked me about being a mechanic, and responded accordingly. Both of my kids are RNs doing well for themselves. Then there's the whole public perception about mechanics with the 2% of screwed up shops and techs ruining it for the rest who are honest and hardworking :dunno::beer:

How long has it been since you worked at a stealership?
 

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The industry is on the bleeding edge of technology, so there's always something new to learn and work on. Although flat rate can be tough, if you can adapt you can make very comfortable living doing warranty and recalls.

Like volunteers and doctors without borders, it takes a certain character to thrive in this trade.
 

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I made more money working in HVAC for someone else. Being my own boss has several advantages - making the big bucks isn't one of them. I stick with it because I love the challenge of fixing air conditioners and heat pumps.

I just couldn't work 8 hours a day in a cubicle, or staring at a computer screen, or dealing with people only. To each his own.
 

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I feel I'm too old to start over at square one

I know a few people who went back to school ranging from late 30s to mid 40s. There is a perception that you can only attend college and/or pick a career in your teens and 20s but its really not true. If you think you can improve your quality of life give it a serious look. To add to this its not like your experience in diesel is going to become worthless. Help is easy to find, good help and knowledge isn't so you always have that as a security blanket. Just saying.
 
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": I would recommend getting as much education as you can perhaps go into the healthcare or IT fields"

-My understanding is that both of these are pretty saturated. Also, a lot of the basic tech stuff is contracted out, which also doesn't pay as great as people think. Know a few people who do that sort of thing. Healthcare may be a decent one, but there were a LOT of folks in for nursing (of one variety or another) when I was enrolled in tech school. Medical billing was something that was growing at the time. Also, 4 year degrees... mean squat if it isn't highly specialized. I've got a bachelor's... and it's not serving me at the moment. Making fine money where I am at, so I am not looking at changing. Lol.
 

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When I was in high school, I enrolled into an automotive program at a well known college and started the ball rolling. After everything was finalized, I realized that I did not want to work on cars as a career because I liked to do that as a hobby and did not want to get burnt out. So, we canceled that.

After I graduated high school, I ended up getting a degree in electrical, which opens up quite a few options for a career. I quickly decided that residential wiring was way too boring, and I ended up going into the industrial field. I started my first job in industrial over 10 years ago and have been at my current job for over 7 years. In that time, I have picked up more skills like tig welding and robotics, and furthering my knowledge of PLCs/automation.
 

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Perhaps. I was just voicing my personal opinion. The fleet job I have is probably the best auto tech job I've seen. It has great benefits, you don't have to sell anyone anything and there's no flat rate. However before getting this job, I worked at a GM dealership and then at a city fleet. I did well at the dealership and could make a decent living just from warranty work. :lol: However, there were no benefits like sick leave so, I tried a city fleet gig which had weird hours but, a great working environment with benefits. My fleet gig is the exception. Life at a flat rate dealership can be feast or famine in flat rate land. You can be the best tech in the world but, if customers don't bring their cars in or don't want to spend money on their car, income prospects aren't so good.
I viewed the op's question as what if one of my children asked me about being a mechanic, and responded accordingly. Both of my kids are RNs doing well for themselves. Then there's the whole public perception about mechanics with the 2% of screwed up shops and techs ruining it for the rest who are honest and hardworking :dunno::beer:

You are correct on the RN thing, I will admit, I know a couple girls that have done very well as RNs.

Typhoon I am not young nor am I old per se.
 
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