why cant i do a reply in the classified section

[94yj]

this is the message i get can anyone tell me why i am getting this message

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[lilredex]

I wondered that too............go to the main index and open `Classifieds` the first post by Ryan explains it all.

 

[RonRock]

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=151106

 

[mooman]

I think the classifieds went down hill from there. I have neither bought nor sold anything on there since. Hell, i rarely look there anymore.

 

[colt zantop]

^^^^I second that^^^

 

[JPRACING]

the whole site is sinking

 

[gol4]

I only come here to see JPRACING's avatar.

 

[JPRACING]

I only come here to see JPRACING's avatar.

at least you see my points

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Haven't gone to the classifieds in months. Felt too much like I was dealing with cyber Nazi's when I couldn't ask a question other than in a PM. I'm sure the poster of an ad gets tired answering the same question form 40 people that could have been solved with a quick Q&A in the thread.

 

[bams50]

I only come here to see JPRACING's avatar.

Not me. I have to see that at home all the time.

 

[expatriated]

I wondered that too............go to the main index and open `Classifieds` the first post by Ryan explains it all.

I wouldn't say it explains it all. It simply says it is not allowed any more. What was the problem?

Not me. I have to see that at home all the time.

I bet you hate that.

 

[Tjc]

Im not 100% but i thinnk they did it because people would post that it is priced to high or put their links to their similar item for sale

 

[Stuart in MN]

Im not 100% but i thinnk they did it because people would post that it is priced to high or put their links to their similar item for sale

That was pretty much it. Someone would post an item for sale, and others would squabble about the price. It's the same method they use for the classified section of the HAMB and it seems to work fine there.

 

[thesilverone]

I'm a member of much bigger forums and this is the only forum where members can't reply to ads in the classified section. Those members who ruined the classifieds should of gotten banned instead.

 

[Bull]

Personally, I preferred the old way.

That being said, Ryan started a thread, with a poll, in the General Garage Discussion section of the forum to see what people thought about the proposed changes. The OVERWHELMING majority of the people who replied and voted wanted the change. So, where the heck were you guys?

Here ya go: 434-59, majority voting for "get rid of comments and clean it up."

 

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Personally, I preferred the old way.

That being said, ................. So, where the heck were you guys?

I voted and have no idea why more people didn't voice their opinion. They should have but then again, I don't think it much mattered the way the vote went as Ryan wanted it to change.

His forum, his rules and I voted my feelings by never buying anything else off this forum.

 

[Jason280]

I've been using classifieds sections on a variety of forums for years, and this is by far the best method. Trust me on this, the less conversation you can have in an ad the better. Its amazing the number of people who insist on posting in an ad with no interest in buying the item. You get responses from "Great price, bro" to "I saw that cheaper on eBay last week", and its a pain to have to negotiate through the BS. Not only that, but you will literally have people arguing with one another in ads over the most trivial things. Plus, on most sites with the "bump" feature, every response knocks another ad off the front page. Now, it is possible to allow responses in ads, but you must have a strong moderator crew to weed out the nonsense.

Nevertheless, if someone is serious about an item, they will PM or email the individual.

 

[thesilverone]

Personally, I preferred the old way.

That being said, Ryan started a thread, with a poll, in the General Garage Discussion section of the forum to see what people thought about the proposed changes. The OVERWHELMING majority of the people who replied and voted wanted the change. So, where the heck were you guys?

Here ya go: 434-59, majority voting for "get rid of comments and clean it up."

general garage discussion? i bet over 40% of active members never go in that section.

 

[gatewaysysop]

IMHO, too many folks that didn't want to play fair, or pretended they were ignorant of the rules. Even now, on almost any given day, you can go in and find people violating the 72-hour bump rule. Or any of the other very simple rules that should be a no-brainer. There will always be jerks who don't think it applies to them, and will abuse whatever privileges they are given.

Bottom line is that too many people couldn't do the right thing and play fair on their own, so when the vote came up, the community was overwhelmingly in favor of taking away the privileges that people were abusing. I don't blame them one bit.

I still don't understand the fuss. You can't post replies for everyone else to see on someone else's Craig's List ad, you can't post replies in your newspaper classifieds either. Always been that way, and last I checked, both were still doing just fine.

 

[graffix000]

IMHO, too many folks that didn't want to play fair, or pretended they were ignorant of the rules. Even now, on almost any given day, you can go in and find people violating the 72-hour bump rule. Or any of the other very simple rules that should be a no-brainer. There will always be jerks who don't think it applies to them, and will abuse whatever privileges they are given.

Bottom line is that too many people couldn't do the right thing and play fair on their own, so when the vote came up, the community was overwhelmingly in favor of taking away the privileges that people were abusing. I don't blame them one bit.

I still don't understand the fuss. You can't post replies for everyone else to see on someone else's Craig's List ad, you can't post replies in your newspaper classifieds either. Always been that way, and last I checked, both were still doing just fine.

This isn't craigslist though. The no response 'works' for CL, but I would say it doesn't work most of the time.

I think having comments made sense. It was set up to benefit the buyer by allowing comments, but to me, that is what made it work. If someone was selling something close to retail, someone could let them though. It should be buyer beware, but as a community, you want others looking out for you and not just trying to make a buck. If things are priced properly there wouldn't be any issues.

The classifieds have gone way down hill since the change. I for one voted to keep the comments. From what I saw, the change was wanted from up top and was going to happen with or without the vote. I think it was too much policing having to go on for the mods.

 

[Bull]

There's always too much policing for the mods.

Yeah, Ryan was in favor of the change. But, some of you guys just refuse to give the guy any credit. He wanted the change, and could have just made it happen. Instead, he talked to the mods about it and also made a public poll. The poll overwhelmingly supported his idea.

It's just sort of cynical conjecture to act like he would have done it no matter what the poll said. If that's the case, then why the poll?

And again, I am a person who preferred (greatly) the old system, so I'm not saying what I'm saying because I like the new way.

 

[expatriated]

Bull, I'm cool with it. Not trying to create any problems.

The bottom line is... it's not my site. Ryan can run it however he sees fit. I prefer the old way but it doesn't prevent me from continuing to learn a bunch here. And buy or sell. It's still one of the best sites ever.

 

[Jason280]

I think having comments made sense. It was set up to benefit the buyer by allowing comments, but to me, that is what made it work. If someone was selling something close to retail, someone could let them though. It should be buyer beware, but as a community, you want others looking out for you and not just trying to make a buck. If things are priced properly there wouldn't be any issues

Complete nonsense. Why would anyone feel the need to comment on a seller's price? It really serves no purpose. If you think its a good price for the item, by all means buy. However, if you feel the price is too much, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Period. Its the beauty of a free market economy, plain and simple. If it truly is priced too high, the seller will eventually figure that out. But that is for him to figure out, not for the self appointed hall monitors of the classified's section.

This kind of attitude is exactly why allowing comments is a problem. People simply do not know when to keep their mouths shut and mind their own business. And for those who still have issue with not being able to respond in an ad, please remember that the PM and email functions still work perfectly well...

 

[gatewaysysop]

Complete nonsense. Why would anyone feel the need to comment on a seller's price? It really serves no purpose. If you think its a good price for the item, by all means buy. However, if you feel the price is too much, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Period. Its the beauty of a free market economy, plain and simple. If it truly is priced too high, the seller will eventually figure that out. But that is for him to figure out, not for the self appointed hall monitors of the classified's section.

This kind of attitude is exactly why allowing comments is a problem. People simply do not know when to keep their mouths shut and mind their own business. And for those who still have issue with not being able to respond in an ad, please remember that the PM and email functions still work perfectly well...

 

[Justanoldguy]

It is a garage site not a classifieds site.
Be thankful that there is even anywhere here that you can sell things.
If it was my site I would eliminate all sales aspects of it.
Now get back in the garage and stop whining like a schoolgirl.

 

[Justanoldguy]

If someone was selling something close to retail, someone could let them though.

You have to realize that not everyone is living next door to your local tool store.
Personally, I don't mind paying more if I don't have to jump in the car and drive an hour to wait in a line to buy something then drive an hour home again.
It's not all as YOU see it.

 

[Goaf]

I didn't give this much thought before reading some of these comments, but now I'm pro-comments. The rule about not making a profit is a little weird though.

 

[HOTFR8]

I didn't give this much thought before reading some of these comments, but now I'm pro-comments. The rule about not making a profit is a little weird though.

Think of it this way - Some one posts something for sale and it is at the top. With all the comments it is soon at the bottom of the page. If you want to know something you send them a PM about it and we avoid all the stupid comments that are not needed. This way the items stay for sale in the priority that have been posted.

 

[Goaf]

Anything that helps prevent ripoffs is more important than that. I was looking for masonry bits so I used the search feature to search for them. Bumped messages are no big deal. There are several pages of recent posts even now so the search feature is a good idea anyway.

Instead of just deleting a seller's post when he bumps too soon, he could be banned from posting in the classifieds for a few months.

 

[Goaf]

Actually, I might have been in favor of no comments but the philosophy of

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. Period. Its the beauty of a free market economy, plain and simple. If it truly is priced too high, the seller will eventually figure that out. But that is for him to figure out, not for the self appointed hall monitors of the classified's section.

rubbed me the wrong way. It sounds like "whatever kind of scam we're running here, it shouldn't be interfered with."

 

[Justanoldguy]

Goaf, you have been on this site for 5 minutes
and are trying to tell people how the site should be run.
The Mods here have had huge experience about what
works and doesn't work on this site.
Let them do their job without all the hassle from you.
Suggesting there are scams here is surely not the way
to win any friends on this site.

 

[RonRock]

Sounded like his opinion to me, not telling anyone how to run anything.

I did not see the notice that there was a time limit on when a member could give an opinion or even respond to a thread, ANY thread.


In case there is any question here is a quote from a few posts up,

"It's not all as YOU see it."

 

[KPSquared]

Is it hard to send a PM or what am I missing?

 

[Justanoldguy]

Sounded like his opinion to me, not telling anyone how to run anything.

I did not see the notice that there was a time limit on when a member could give an opinion or even respond to a thread, ANY thread.


In case there is any question here is a quote from a few posts up,

"It's not all as YOU see it."

Polls and opinions on this are long gone.
Why can't people just accept the owners changes and move on.
How hard is it to read the way it is and send a PM ffs.

 

[HOTFR8]

It sounds like "whatever kind of scam we're running here, it shouldn't be interfered with."

We are carefull about new members being scammers.

 

[gatewaysysop]

Anything that helps prevent ripoffs is more important than that.

So then, by extension, not having a classified section at all would eliminate all ripoffs, so we should be in favor of that, right?

It sounds like "whatever kind of scam we're running here, it shouldn't be interfered with."

And that sounds kinda like begging the question. Your comparison only makes sense if there is a scam being run to begin with. Assertion based on a premise that assumes the assertion isn't very persuasive.

Is it hard to send a PM or what am I missing?

 

[Goaf]

I think classifieds are good, but it actually may be better not to have them here if there will be no comments. Without clissifieds here, sellers may post where comments (which often provide buyers with more information, especially if they're questions that are publically answered) are allowed. The "mind your own business" and "hall monitors" comments sound anti-watchdog in general, and not customer friendly. My comparison is accurate. I was pointing out the philosophy that's rubbing me the wrong way, not saying that there's necessarily a scam going on.

 

[HOTFR8]

Perhaps you should consider you are rubbing members here the wrong way.

 

[Justanoldguy]

I think classifieds are good, but it actually may be better not to have them here if there will be no comments. Without clissifieds here, sellers may post where comments (which often provide buyers with more information, especially if they're questions that are publically answered) are allowed. The "mind your own business" and "hall monitors" comments sound anti-watchdog in general, and not customer friendly. My comparison is accurate. I was pointing out the philosophy that's rubbing me the wrong way, not saying that there's necessarily a scam going on.

The same "no posting" rule applies on the HAMB site and sales there are not affected in any way.
Just use the system as it's set up or move on.

+1 on what HOTFR8 said.

 

[HOTFR8]

Here are the rules once again and I quote.

Hey guys, we try to keep things simple around here, but we do a have a few rules for the classifieds sections. Please give these a read before posting:

1. All items for sale must be listed. All ads must have prices. Ads without prices will be deleted.

2. You are allowed to bump your ad once every 72 hours (3 days). If you bump your ad before that time period, it will be deleted.

3. Please only post tools, garage supplies, etc... that are relevant to the Garage Journal.

4. Please do not post links to other classified or auction sites.

5. Purchase items at your own risk. While we do our best to fight off scammers, we are not responsible for deals gone bad. However, if you find yourself getting worked over, please let us know - we will do our best to help you.

6. Please combine your items into one thread as often as possible.
Not following this guideline could result in your F/S ads being deleted.

Note: The Garage Journal is not a classifieds site. We have a classifieds section just so that users can help each other out with deals and finds. If you are here looking for profit, please don't post.

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