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Junkman

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Why do electricians leave so much wire hanging out of the box? The electrician working at my new home leaves anywhere from 1 to 2 feet hanging out of the electrical box. I am paying for time and materials, so it irks me that he is so wastefull.
 
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Electricians have an inherent need to be wasteful.
They always leave a swallow or two of beer in the bottle or a bite of an Egg Mcmuffin behind. They often drive their work vans around just to waste gas. They donate to losing political candidates buy their wives jewelery, throw socks away when there's only one small hole in the heel or buy hunting licenses when they know they can't shoot worth a damn. .
I don't know what makes them this way.
:)
 

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Why do electricians leave so much wire hanging out of the box? The electrician working at my new home leaves anywhere from 1 to 2 feet hanging out of the electrical box. I am paying for time and materials, so it irks me that he is so wastefull.

Ask him to waste less wire and make sure he sweeps up when done.

Didn't you just have a few threads on buying off brand outlets and haggling on price? Why to customers hire electricians when they think they know how to do it better/cheaper?
 

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I used to work for a micromanager. When we were having the new building built he would be over there every day looking over everyone’s shoulder and commenting on every little thing.

One day all the workers put down the tools and wouldn’t continue until he went away.

Then after that the person who ran the construction company would go around to every worker and tell them not to do certain things because my boss “wasn’t paying for that”.

As for the original poster’s question. You can shorten a cable that’s too long, but have fun making one longer that is too short. Especially in a distribution board where splicing/joining is a no no.

Electricians can be a very perfectionist bunch. The good ones I know leave things a little longer because they like to do their wiring in a tidy fashion to make any future maintenance easier.
 

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The parsimonious folks who built my house back in the '80s carefully strung every wire run banjo string tight using an elven wire stretcher, and every fixture, switch, and outlet was installed with not one extra millimeter of length by a crew of agile, bony fingered gnomes with child-size hands.

That long-ago merry band of frugal imps also backstabbed every switch and outlet (time is money, you know), so 25-30 years later i also had to replace every single one of these after some of them tried to burn my house down and kill us and our cats. Such good fun trying to work with a complete lack of any sort of slack. Properly rewiring each outlet, especially the damaged ones where I had to cut back to unscorched wire, was like building a ship in a bottle.

So a bit of extra wire length is a good thing. Leave 'em alone.

By contrast, the thumbfingered orcs who did our plumbing used up every copper connector, elbow, and random length stick they had leftover from the rest of the neighborhood. It was all stuck together with pounds and pounds of bubbly solder and plenty of solder drips and scorch marks, as well as lots of greasy green fingerprints. Our house must have been the last on our block, and/or used for training apprentice plumbers. So that's been fun to repair over the years as well, and I've gotten very good at drywall patching and painting.
 
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It's that bad everywhere! We went to some Nascar event, it was a real nail biter, we had to pay for the whole seat, but only used the edge...

And don't forget the gas that runs through the gas pump but still remains in the hose.

Now let's talk about the last remaining bit of K.Y. Jelly toothpaste in the tube, someone's really getting hammered by that..


This place gets weirder every day...

Likely the OP never worked as an electrician. ****, building one off wiring harnesses, we'd have 12-18" tags on both ends, because sometimes you had to repull around something you hadn't planned for. That 18" is a f***, er, heck of a lot cheaper than ending up too short, pulling the short wire, re-running a longer piece through the wherever, If I'm running my own wire at home, I leave at least a foot or 2 tags on either end until it's all said and done. I'm not into playing microsurgeon putting it all together, nor do I have the time to finagle microends into their appropriate terminals. I'd rather get 'er done than spend hours effing with it...
 

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Likely the OP never worked as an electrician.

Its way more then the OP

Guy renovating commercial properties asking how to do everything.

Person asking completely ridiculous questions about tools and service records can't diagnose a brake issue.

A new variant of "brand A" compared to "brand b" compared to snap-on almost daily.

Ridiculous, off the wall advice to people that genuinely are asking for guidance from people that shouldn't be allowed near anything more involved then a screwdriver. Edit: seriously, I hope the post before me was sarcasm

Thinly veiled political posts, trolling and clear bias (if not the aforementioned) by some of the mod team.

I forgot how I found this place, but it was great to get advice from professionals and very knowledgeable DIYers. I've spent a lot of time trying to contribute as much as I've benefited, but lately it just feels like I'm yelling into the wind. Something has changed
 

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FWIW, on new construction our boxes are 20" off the floor to top of box. We'd pull the wires to reach the floor. We'd strip the cable to 8-10", and push the extra 10" up into the ceiling cavity, stapling from the box up. So we intentionally had the extra 2 feet that OP is complaining of. And I charge per outlet, not T/M.
 

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It's that bad everywhere! We went to some Nascar event, it was a real nail biter, we had to pay for the whole seat, but only used the edge...

And don't forget the gas that runs through the gas pump but still remains in the hose.

Now let's talk about the last remaining bit of K.Y. Jelly toothpaste in the tube, someone's really getting hammered by that..




Likely the OP never worked as an electrician. ****, building one off wiring harnesses, we'd have 12-18" tags on both ends, because sometimes you had to repull around something you hadn't planned for. That 18" is a f***, er, heck of a lot cheaper than ending up too short, pulling the short wire, re-running a longer piece through the wherever, If I'm running my own wire at home, I leave at least a foot or 2 tags on either end until it's all said and done. I'm not into playing microsurgeon putting it all together, nor do I have the time to finagle microends into their appropriate terminals. I'd rather get 'er done than spend hours effing with it...
Every time I have to rewire something, move an outlet / fixture and I find service loops / extra wire I thank the nameless electrician / person who was in there before me.

Every time I realize there isn't even enough slack to disconnect anything much less move / adjust it - I wish that person who did it stubs their bare toe on a the sharp corner of the coffee table every morning.
 

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I forgot how I found this place, but it was great to get advice from professionals and very knowledgeable DIYers. I've spent a lot of time trying to contribute as much as I've benefited, but lately it just feels like I'm yelling into the wind. Something has changed
I found this place a few years ago, but never frequented much. Just lately I've been here almost daily. But it definitely has a little different vibe than what I first found. And I find your posts to be useful and spot on.

I don't come here so much for the advice. I am in construction and have close friends in every aspect of construction. I have several shops that do any and all of my vehicle repairs. It's just been a nice place to visit and read and occasionally respond.
 

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I'm not an electrician but have done some wiring.
I leave a foot or more and sometimes 2.

I will use those cutoffs for pigtails when I start wiring the devices.
Also when trying to estimate to reach a box before you cut it from the reel I will add about 2 ft.

And just curious when you op say your paying time and material, did you buy the wire?
Or did you buy the whole job and electrician bought the wire?
 

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But it definitely has a little different vibe than what I first found...

I've been here since before the reset what, 12-14 years ago now, and yeah, it ebbs and flows. Sometimes you have to burn the chaff to get the wheat. And yeah, when it starts getting silly, I usually start ignoring or deleting. But all in all, this has to be one of the best forums around, bar none - for the info, for the laughs (and tears), the camaraderie, the fun, even sometimes the inane questions when you realize that some people have the attention or memory of a turnip... At least I haven't seen the few on here in years that I would give an answer, and for whatever reason, someone would paraphrase (Or flat repeat) it a half dozen posts later... THAT put me into "fists to clouds" moments...

And sure, I've been corrected here (more times than not). I was in Band Camp more than once (thank god it wasn't permanent - thanks, Ryan, for the chance!)... I've seen people vanish into thin air (Oh Tampa, where are thou?), Damned good men and women go Emeritius (Kevin 54, and CudaChick1968, you are missed)... some who cut loose in rage or anger get the permanent transfer to the Band Unit... Noobs show up, spammers get whacked, but all in all, there ain;t a worse group of degenerates better group of guys and gals I've seen on line I'd rather waste some time with and crack a brewski with.

And thats the trooth!
 

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They don't throw the scraps away. They stash them between the studs as they sheetrock.

so they bury their waste in the walls... making it so your insulation ratings drop since you cant stuff as much insulation in the walls... yeah thats a great idea... Id be more made at felipe and jose than your sparky....
 

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Every time I have to rewire something, move an outlet / fixture and I find service loops / extra wire I thank the nameless electrician / person who was in there before me.

Every time I realize there isn't even enough slack to disconnect anything much less move / adjust it - I wish that person who did it stubs their bare toe on a the sharp corner of the coffee table every morning.
I'm chipping in for a really nice cast iron coffee table. :)
 

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And sure, I've been corrected here (more times than not). I was in Band Camp more than once (thank god it wasn't permanent - thanks, Ryan, for the chance!)... I've seen people vanish into thin air (Oh Tampa, where are thou?), Damned good men and women go Emeritius (Kevin 54, and CudaChick1968, you are missed)... some who cut loose in rage or anger get the permanent transfer to the Band Unit... Noobs show up, spammers get whacked, but all in all, there ain;t a worse group of degenerates better group of guys and gals I've seen on line I'd rather waste some time with and crack a brewski with.

And thats the trooth!
I get that sense. I'll never figure out who's who here, but the discussions are appreciated. I've spent the last 20 years on 4 or 5 forums, most of which have little participation these days. The action here keeps it interesting. Probably also defines the demographic, in a positive way.
 

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Why do electricians leave so much wire hanging out of the box?
If it is cut too short, it needs to be replaced.
Well, not always:

Translation: The CAD incompatibility between Airbus' Toulouse (airframe) and Hamburg (wiring harness) operations caused the initial A380 harnesses to be designed too short.

The "adjustments" that this old article mentioned on the very first one built were later discovered to be the final assembly operation techs undoing wire ties and stretching the harnesses, wherever it was necessary.

That airframe was still allowed to fly commercially. When I board an A380, I always check for that serial number when I go through the door.
 
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Every time I have to rewire something, move an outlet / fixture and I find service loops / extra wire I thank the nameless electrician / person who was in there before me.

Every time I realize there isn't even enough slack to disconnect anything much less move / adjust it - I wish that person who did it stubs their bare toe on a the sharp corner of the coffee table every morning.
Or steps on a Lego on their bare feet😱
 
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