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Why do Metric socket sets skip some sizes?

Garcky

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M6 flange nuts are sometimes 11mm.

Flange nuts and bolts are great for lots of things BUT why they decided that the bolt head should "always" be a size smaller than the nut I can't understand.
I seem to remember a few instances where a through bolt had a different nut size from the head size. Some farm equipment. I think the reason was that you didn't need two wrenches of the same size to hold one end and turn the other. That helped keep your tool set on the equipment a little smaller, I guess. I've encountered that a few other times in my life, as well. Different bolt head and nut sizes. But, I can't remember the exact items that had that.
 
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Yes, fair comment!

But I grew up with British cars, almost all of which just needed standard tools. Still work on a lot.

With the switch to cartridge oil filters, I acquired a Facom oil filter wrench, (below - superb tool) with a stainless strap that’s able to handle every cartridge filter I’ve ever encountered, which is most British or Euro cars since.564688F9-95AD-4598-8105-95424AE9E168.jpeg

I know that many makers have switched back to separate housings, and special tools, but I don’t see many Chevy’s and Jeeps in my part of the world (and I’m pretty sure the last Suburu I saw had a cartridge filter), so it’s only really BMW’s (and Mini’s) that I find myself needing these big sockets for.

Not to beat a dead horse, but . . . 'special tool' ^^^^ :lol_hitti

That Facom strap wrench does look handy, I have the circular kind in two sizes to fit various diameter spin on filters. And I had to buy specific fluted cup filters for some spin-on's because they're deep in a hole where a strap wrench won't fit. Then of course various filter housing sockets for top-side cartridge filters. Yes, I have found myself with many "special tools" for oil filters.
 

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Here's a chart showing the different types like ANSI/ISO, DIN, and JIS. I guess the sets are made up for the country their made in for the most used. In the USA and Europe 13mm is common were on Japanese sets it's the 12mm.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse, but . . . 'special tool' ^^^^ :lol_hitti

That Facom strap wrench does look handy, I have the circular kind in two sizes to fit various diameter spin on filters. And I had to buy specific fluted cup filters for some spin-on's because they're deep in a hole where a strap wrench won't fit. Then of course various filter housing sockets for top-side cartridge filters. Yes, I have found myself with many "special tools" for oil filters.
If it’s a single purpose tool, it’s a “special”!

It’s not relevant to me as I break out a 3/4 drive socket, but I appreciate that many don’t have these things.

Yes, that Facom wrench works well.

They subsequently bought out a newer version, but the plastic handle is very wide, and many times when I’ve used mine I can only get a few degrees of movement. Probably wouldn’t even get the newer version on. I think the original is still available.
 

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Meh. I own nothing in 3/4" drive and have had a 36mm BMW oil filter socket for decades. I mean you can find them for less than a tenner delivered to your door. Same as any oil filter strap wrench, plier, or cup, if you DIY, you're going to need something. Plus, one can torque the filter cap correctly with 3/8" drive.

:beer:


Volvo uses a 36mm for the oil filter on the SI6 engines. They probably figured that we all had 36mm's in our boxes from 740/940 front hub nuts.

-Ryan
 

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Subarus are a spin on filter, they moved it to the top of the engine however and its the easiest filter change on any car I have seen.
I love it when the filters are on top of the engine.

If you have an oil valve, you can do an oil change without a single drip of oil.

None of our families cars have this right now… and the oil filter is the messiest part of an oil change.
 

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I love it when the filters are on top of the engine.

If you have an oil valve, you can do an oil change without a single drip of oil.

None of our families cars have this right now… and the oil filter is the messiest part of an oil change.
We have three subarus, all have fumoto valves. Tractors and mowers to. Haven’t had oil on my hands in a long time!
 

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We have three subarus, all have fumoto valves. Tractors and mowers to. Haven’t had oil on my hands in a long time!

By an oil extractor and you wouldn't even need to jack up the car. I have one subaru and plan on getting another once my DD gets up there in miles. These cars are very easy to maintain. Then there's the wife's Mini... :devilish:
 

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We have three subarus, all have fumoto valves. Tractors and mowers to. Haven’t had oil on my hands in a long time!

Yep. Fumoto valve on both cars (BMW, Jeep) and both have topside filters too. Easy no mess oil changes :beer:

By an oil extractor and you wouldn't even need to jack up the car.

On my Grand Cherokee I don't need to jack it up to get to the oil pan drain. Although I do need to lift our E46, it gives me a chance to inspect the front end so I don't mind so much. I never did trust those oil extractors to do a thorough jib, maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. Going to yell at clouds now . . .
 

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Yep. Fumoto valve on both cars (BMW, Jeep) and both have topside filters too. Easy no mess oil changes :beer:



On my Grand Cherokee I don't need to jack it up to get to the oil pan drain. Although I do need to lift our E46, it gives me a chance to inspect the front end so I don't mind so much. I never did trust those oil extractors to do a thorough jib, maybe I'm just stuck in my ways. Going to yell at clouds now . . .

I get it. I was thinking about grabbing one for my Subaru because I'm constantly changing the oil (track car) BUT, you just raised a good point, it doesn't go out unless I've checked underneath anyways so there goes that idea lol My second thought was more junk in a corner. Pass...
 

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I know this is a slightly old thread but, why do cheap wrench sets skip 15mm?! I commonly travel with family bikes. 15mm is perhaps the most common fastener size on common bikes as it's the size of the wheel nuts and the pedals. So when I'm trying to break down a bike to better fit in the car taking the wheels and cranks off is a standard thing. I don't need much of a wrench but I don't want to loose one from my box. I was hoping one of the inexpensive Walmart sets would work. $6 for a few combo wrenches, who cares if you loose them. I've bought two such sets for road side emergencies. Sorry, no 15mm.

I guess it's fitting that I ended up spending $15 to get a set that included that 15mm wrench. Perhaps that's the hook. Still, 15mm doesn't have an obvious SAE equivalent so why skip it?
 

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I know this is a slightly old thread but, why do cheap wrench sets skip 15mm?! I commonly travel with family bikes. 15mm is perhaps the most common fastener size on common bikes as it's the size of the wheel nuts and the pedals. So when I'm trying to break down a bike to better fit in the car taking the wheels and cranks off is a standard thing. I don't need much of a wrench but I don't want to loose one from my box. I was hoping one of the inexpensive Walmart sets would work. $6 for a few combo wrenches, who cares if you loose them. I've bought two such sets for road side emergencies. Sorry, no 15mm.

I guess it's fitting that I ended up spending $15 to get a set that included that 15mm wrench. Perhaps that's the hook. Still, 15mm doesn't have an obvious SAE equivalent so why skip it?
Did you try a 19/32" socket?
 
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15mm and 18mm must be the most common skips for the sizes that would actually get used.

15mm isn't even all that rare. 18mm is somewhat unusual, but crops up on the odd vehicle.

7mm is probably third. There's a few 7mms on my F150, but that's the only place I can think of.
 

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15mm and 18mm must be the most common skips for the sizes that would actually get used.

15mm isn't even all that rare. 18mm is somewhat unusual, but crops up on the odd vehicle.

7mm is probably third. There's a few 7mms on my F150, but that's the only place I can think of.
15mm is Chevy drain plugs IIRC. I forget what 18mm is used for, but I know I had to buy one several years ago. There's a bunch of 7mm on (actually under) Fords
 

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I know this is a slightly old thread but, why do cheap wrench sets skip 15mm?! I commonly travel with family bikes. 15mm is perhaps the most common fastener size on common bikes as it's the size of the wheel nuts and the pedals. So when I'm trying to break down a bike to better fit in the car taking the wheels and cranks off is a standard thing. I don't need much of a wrench but I don't want to loose one from my box. I was hoping one of the inexpensive Walmart sets would work. $6 for a few combo wrenches, who cares if you loose them. I've bought two such sets for road side emergencies. Sorry, no 15mm.

I guess it's fitting that I ended up spending $15 to get a set that included that 15mm wrench. Perhaps that's the hook. Still, 15mm doesn't have an obvious SAE equivalent so why skip it?
The missing 16mm is the one that always gets me...........................
 

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15mm and 18mm must be the most common skips for the sizes that would actually get used.

15mm isn't even all that rare. 18mm is somewhat unusual, but crops up on the odd vehicle.

7mm is probably third. There's a few 7mms on my F150, but that's the only place I can think of.
Ford and GM use a lot of 7mm for interior trim.
 

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Chevy uses 15mm for the oil drain plug on a lot of models, and 7mm for the headlight brackets.

If you are gonna get a set that skips, then SAE is the way to go. For metric, get a set that doesn't skip. Or just do what I do and grab a few from each set and see which ones fits the best. ;)
 

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I can't remember what I needed the 9 mm socket for but I did use one at some point. As for the other uncommon size... 11 mm was needed to remove the chuck from an old Bosch drill, open ended tho, so not even a socket. So even I as a diyer come across these.
 

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I know this is a slightly old thread but, why do cheap wrench sets skip 15mm?! I commonly travel with family bikes. 15mm is perhaps the most common fastener size on common bikes as it's the size of the wheel nuts and the pedals. So when I'm trying to break down a bike to better fit in the car taking the wheels and cranks off is a standard thing. I don't need much of a wrench but I don't want to loose one from my box. I was hoping one of the inexpensive Walmart sets would work. $6 for a few combo wrenches, who cares if you loose them. I've bought two such sets for road side emergencies. Sorry, no 15mm.

I guess it's fitting that I ended up spending $15 to get a set that included that 15mm wrench. Perhaps that's the hook. Still, 15mm doesn't have an obvious SAE equivalent so why skip it?
I have a pedal wrench like this. Has the open end for the pedals, and a socket end for wheel nuts. Came with my first bike "tool kit" I bought last century, still use it. A 15mm wrench from a normal wrench set is too short and sometimes too thick to deal with pedals. I know because I have one. If you can remove it with those, you likely haven't tightened it enough.

 

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I've found sooner or later you will need the size you don't have. My metric sockets go from 3.2mm to 36mm with a 46mm I needed for a VW one time. My wrenches go down to 2.5mm and up to 36mm with a couple of skips.
 

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TOPTUL sells an identical tool. Likely a Facom copy as Rotar makes wrenches for Facom. https://www.toptul.com/en/product-324194/Metal-Strap-Oil-Filter-Wrench.html I bought a box of these and I did manage to sell them but personally I found them not that useful compared to cup wrenches. Where do you have that kind of space on a modern car? Maybe they are useful on farm machinery of something like that but they were useless on my Hyundai as it didn't fit where I needed it to go. Also, it's not like a pliers type oil filter wrench that can be used at an angle. These must be absolutely perpendicular to the filter during use.
 

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Like 20 mm, 23 mm, 4.5 and 5.5?

My Craftsman sets that I bought skipped these sizes.

Any idea why?
To get you back into the store… to buy the missing sizes, that you… all of a sudden, need so badly.

Back when Sears was still a thing, I would look around Sears while my wife shopped at the mall.
 

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What I hate is when a piece of equipment mixes metric and standard. It's almost as if I have to check four to six sockets to find the best fit. My new Deere backhoe is the worst. Metric, standard, and fifty million bolt and nut sizes, sometimes on the same item.
actually even on all metric cars, sometimes I can find a bolt that fits better in an SAE socket and I will use the SAE one.
 

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I tend to view oil filters as a special case - one of my BMW’s needs a 36mm just to remove the oil filter! Some regular guy without 3/4” drive is going to need to invest in special tools just to do an oil change, but I suppose BMW want to make it as awkward as possible!

Just about every axle nut I have seen uses 36mm. It is kind of a basic size. Also 7mm is used a lot on Honda interior. I also remember either 9mmm or 11mm is used on TPMS sensors. So it is going mainstream now. 23mm seems more rare than 20mm. I would still get everything from 4mm to 36mm thou.
 

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All SAE sets skip. That stupid system can have 64 as denominator and it is just hard to spot the missing one, like 7/64 or 9/64. I have never seen a set start from 4/64 to 64/64.
A nice feature of the fractional system is the jumps can get larger as the fastener gets larger. So the sizes jump by a 32nd then by 16ths then 8ths. With 1mm jumps it would make sense to skip sizes but which ones? Toyota skips 13, 15 and 16. Germans use 13s. Shimano and the bike industry uses 15mm. This is less an issue with things built using SAE sizing. Of course SAE has a whole host of it's own problems...
 
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