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Why don't I see any M7 stuff around here?

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Not a mechanic myself, but the impacts they make look pretty damn impressive and get awesome reviews online.. They seem to have some of the best torque vs size available and usually have a great price tag attached to them. So much so, it almost seems worth it for a normal guy to buy some for his own home garage.. So Im just wondering why I don't see more talk about them online here from people not wanting to spend snap on money for air tools. Stuff looks good to me..
 
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I didn't know they were known for anything other than the small 1/2 impact really. CP has come out with one now and they are a much more known brand. You occasionally hear about the short sockets but it's not like there is much real world talk about the normal air tools they sell. They are not common in the market place so not very many people want to take a chance on an unknown brand, if all the sudden a tool truck started being a distributor then perhaps they could get a following.
 

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There have been a few threads about them. The M7 mini impact has also been discussed under the Klutch brand. As far as the rest of the King Tony Pro line, as I have said more than once, many people here won't accept a tool line from Taiwan regardless of how good it is. :dunno:
 

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I'll bite so everyone can get their ******* in a bunch: because air tools are dead. Cordless is taking over. Seems to me the worst tool market to step into right now as a manufacturer is air tools. I really don't understand why DeWalt just came out with a line of air tools. THAT really seems backward, a well-known cordless manufacturer stepping into air tools.

And the original question pertains to DeWalt, too. Same answer IMO, air tools are losing major market share. DeWalt now has an impact wrench, air ratchet, die grinder and 3/8" reversible drill, near the bottom of the page:
http://www.toolup.com/air-tools.aspx?section=-13-&pagesize=100

Why would techs and mechanics embrace a brand known mostly to carpenters? My answer: they won't.

DIY and home garage guys no longer have to worry about getting a large compressor or plumbing it (I see SOOO much consternation here over how to plumb air systems) and the arguments about expensive batteries (a poor argument IMO) ignore that Johnny Homeowner no longer needs to source a 60gal+ compressor and plumb multiple drops and worry about noise + neighbors. And if you read the forum it would seem that professional techs are embracing cordless, too, esp ratchets and impacts. And all these tools can be used in the bush or the parking lot. If you're renting or short-term owning you can just throw all your batteries and chargers in a cardboard box and away you go.

I'll check in again when the thread hits page 7.....
 
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Actually in thinking further I know there are some staunch cordless haters here. I'd be curious to know the age of every poster as I contend that the "old-timers" tend to dislike cordless while the "younger generation" is more open-minded. At 38 I think I fall in the middle of the 2 groups.

I say this NOT to bash anyone, but clearly from from a true market study/demographic/scientific point of view.
 

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I'll bite so everyone can get their ******* in a bunch: because air tools are dead. Cordless is taking over. Seems to me the worst tool market to step into right now as a manufacturer is air tools. I really don't understand why DeWalt just came out with a line of air tools. THAT really seems backward, a well-known cordless manufacturer stepping into air tools. .


Yes, the market is changing as cordless tools become more capable but air tools will have a place for a long, long time. Does anyone make a corded or cordless impact or ratchet that can be used in an potentially explosive atmosphere environment?

Since the market for air tools isn't dead, brands (notice, I said brand, because DeWalt isn't a company) like DeWalt make and market stuff to make money (and they're pretty good at it). Stanley/Black & Decker (the company) has plenty of experience/factories/sales channels to make and sell both cordless and air tools.

Air tools aren't terribly high tech so the barriers to making air tools are pretty low. That means that there are a lot of choices in the marketplace.

Big World. Lots of Choices. Ain't Capitalism Great?
 
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I generally keep my electric(battery) tools at bay when working on fuel tanks and fuel systems. Just a precaution. I will never get rid of my air tools and am not affraid to buy new ones as well.

The m7 stuff isn't all that popular in the states thats why its not talked about much. But also its been talked about before multiple times here so why rehash?? A simple search will turn up a bunch of threads on the klutch m7. So were gonna talk about it again? Whats to talk about they're air tools not much else.
 

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Dewalt was easy to add air tools make some plastic yellow impact housings and put them on current proto and Mac sold items
 

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I'll bite so everyone can get their ******* in a bunch: because air tools are dead. Cordless is taking over. Seems to me the worst tool market to step into right now as a manufacturer is air tools. I really don't understand why DeWalt just came out with a line of air tools. THAT really seems backward, a well-known cordless manufacturer stepping into air tools.


I'll bite too...
I agree with the premise of your arguement...but they are FAR from dead...IMHO what is dead is the plethora of the smaller air-tools...3/8" Impacts, Ratchets, Air Drills, etc...On those, I agree with you 100% air is dead. Even back when I was working at a dealership, I often wondered why people bothered with Air-Drills...
In terms of "Joe Homeowner" sure, cordless impact may be the way to go when you factor in the compressor, etc.. BUT in terms of ultimate performance, I have not seen ANY Cordless impact which would stand shoulder to shoulder to a MG725, AWP050 or the new IR, etc.. Nevermind 3/4" the impact world.

Buying a big cordless impact hasnt crossed my mind once...

Air Impacts are just one of those tools which "were meant to be"...
 
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Saw quite a few at SEMA like the M7

Astro even had a shorter, quieter 500 ft lb version.
 

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I'll bite too...
I agree with the premise of your arguement...but they are FAR from dead...IMHO what is dead is the plethora of the smaller air-tools...3/8" Impacts, Ratchets, Air Drills, etc...On those, I agree with you 100% air is dead. Even back when I was working at a dealership, I often wondered why people bothered with Air-Drills...
In terms of "Joe Homeowner" sure, cordless impact may be the way to go when you factor in the compressor, etc.. BUT in terms of ultimate performance, I have not seen ANY Cordless impact which would stand shoulder to shoulder to a MG725, AWP050 or the new IR, etc.. Nevermind 3/4" the impact world.

Buying a big cordless impact hasnt crossed my mind once...

Air Impacts are just one of those tools which "were meant to be"...

http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2764-22
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/power-tools/cordless/2763-22

They get pretty close for nut busting.
 

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I'll bite so everyone can get their ******* in a bunch: because air tools are dead. Cordless is taking over. Seems to me the worst tool market to step into right now as a manufacturer is air tools. I really don't understand why DeWalt just came out with a line of air tools. THAT really seems backward, a well-known cordless manufacturer stepping into air tools.

And the original question pertains to DeWalt, too. Same answer IMO, air tools are losing major market share. DeWalt now has an impact wrench, air ratchet, die grinder and 3/8" reversible drill, near the bottom of the page:
http://www.toolup.com/air-tools.aspx?section=-13-&pagesize=100

Why would techs and mechanics embrace a brand known mostly to carpenters? My answer: they won't.

DIY and home garage guys no longer have to worry about getting a large compressor or plumbing it (I see SOOO much consternation here over how to plumb air systems) and the arguments about expensive batteries (a poor argument IMO) ignore that Johnny Homeowner no longer needs to source a 60gal+ compressor and plumb multiple drops and worry about noise + neighbors. And if you read the forum it would seem that professional techs are embracing cordless, too, esp ratchets and impacts. And all these tools can be used in the bush or the parking lot. If you're renting or short-term owning you can just throw all your batteries and chargers in a cardboard box and away you go.

I'll check in again when the thread hits page 7.....



? This is news to me as I sell them all the time and every shop I have worked in, you will hear both cordless and air impacts going all day long. They still can't quite match the pneumatics IMO. Yes, they are getting pretty close as time goes on. Don't get me wrong,I really like cordless and own a bunch, but they all have their place in the real world. They are typically larger and don't always fit where you need them as well. Air is free to the user in most shops and you can get a real strong 1/2" impact for a couple hundred bucks or less,and there's many to choose from in the used market as well for much less. I just sold a great working 2135qtimax for $98.95 as an example.
 

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No cordless can touch this thing as far as size vs . power. It's not the most powerful impact for sure, but it does it's intended job well.

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I'll bite too...
I agree with the premise of your arguement...but they are FAR from dead...IMHO what is dead is the plethora of the smaller air-tools...3/8" Impacts, Ratchets, Air Drills, etc...On those, I agree with you 100% air is dead. Even back when I was working at a dealership, I often wondered why people bothered with Air-Drills...
In terms of "Joe Homeowner" sure, cordless impact may be the way to go when you factor in the compressor, etc.. BUT in terms of ultimate performance, I have not seen ANY Cordless impact which would stand shoulder to shoulder to a MG725, AWP050 or the new IR, etc.. Nevermind 3/4" the impact world.

Buying a big cordless impact hasnt crossed my mind once...

Air Impacts are just one of those tools which "were meant to be"...

I started this thread when considering my Milwaukee 2763, some statements here would disagree with you, specifically that the 2763 is not as powerful as an MG725 (post #8). Furthermore it would seem that plenty of people are using cordless as their primary impact:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=254073&highlight=impact&showall=1

That said, as is common with the written word, people are being a bit too literal. I certainly don't mean that air tools truly are dead, it's partial truth and partial figure of speech. My point, correct or incorrect, is that the demand from consumers is shrinking, and I'd say shrinking considerably.

And to the point of the thread, I really believe this is why I've seen very little mention of M7 stuff here. I just learned of it a couple months ago from a CPO promotional email. And it looks nice. I'd also argue that 8-10 years ago a new line like M7 would have caused a flurry of threads here, or on your average tool forum. The specs on paper look good, the tools look good, and the prices seem better than IR. But today, much less excitement is generated.

Hell even the 2235 from IR hasn't garnered much excitement, or at least much discussion here. Sure, there have been a few threads. And I do see an argument that air tools in general are old news, so while people may be buying them there's not much to talk about. The latest generation of cordless impacts however are new and exciting just because they're now doing things we once thought nearly impossible. Eventually they'll be old news too and when someone comes out with a cordless impact that has 1500 ft lbs it too will only have minimal discussion among tool junkies. I think the challenge now is for cordless to get smaller and lighter, not anymore powerful than it presently is. Someday we may have a cordless gun that's 1/2 lb heavier than air guns in the same size as an air gun putting out comparable power, who knows.

Air's not dead for me, certainly not. I'll keep my air impacts at least and many rotary tools. But for someone starting from scratch, it's a very different world today. You could almost equip a full automotive shop with nothing but cordless, grab a basic pancake compressor for airing up tires LOL.

Air - or at least air that's up to my standards - requires a whole infrastructure behind it: compressor in a separate shed, plumbed thru the wall (and power ran out to it), cooling wall, several shutoff valves, drops, hose reels. Not to mention the tools and know-how to sweat copper or thread black (I refuse to buy proprietary kits like RapidAir). Cordless requires a 110V receptacle - done. And I can take it with me in the tow rig. Or out back to a parts car.
 
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No cordless can touch this thing as far as size vs . power. It's not the most powerful impact for sure, but it does it's intended

See this was my feeling as well, and why I'm so surprised these aren't much more popular.. When I pop in or lurk on all the threads where people argue "snap on vs everything else on earth", the most common answer given to justify the crazy prices is "strength and clearance". So here is an impact literally half the size of some others in its class, with a price tag i first though was a misprint since it was so cheap... I just don't understand..
As far as the air tools vs cordless argument, I honestly don't think you'll even see air tools totally disappear. You cant work cordless like you can a pneumatic. You can seriously torture air tools without worry of them failing from heat or any number of other things that can fail on cordless.. Also, as long as u have a big enough compressor, you have infinite power on demand. You can always make more if you need it.. Don't think I'll ever see a guy drop a cordless impact on concrete like guys do with air tools. They're "idiot proof" tools.
 
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I'll bite so everyone can get their ******* in a bunch: because air tools are dead. Cordless is taking over. Seems to me the worst tool market to step into right now as a manufacturer is air tools. I really don't understand why DeWalt just came out with a line of air tools. THAT really seems backward, a well-known cordless manufacturer stepping into air tools.

And the original question pertains to DeWalt, too. Same answer IMO, air tools are losing major market share. DeWalt now has an impact wrench, air ratchet, die grinder and 3/8" reversible drill, near the bottom of the page:
http://www.toolup.com/air-tools.aspx?section=-13-&pagesize=100

Why would techs and mechanics embrace a brand known mostly to carpenters? My answer: they won't.

DIY and home garage guys no longer have to worry about getting a large compressor or plumbing it (I see SOOO much consternation here over how to plumb air systems) and the arguments about expensive batteries (a poor argument IMO) ignore that Johnny Homeowner no longer needs to source a 60gal+ compressor and plumb multiple drops and worry about noise + neighbors. And if you read the forum it would seem that professional techs are embracing cordless, too, esp ratchets and impacts. And all these tools can be used in the bush or the parking lot. If you're renting or short-term owning you can just throw all your batteries and chargers in a cardboard box and away you go.

I'll check in again when the thread hits page 7.....

Air is not dead. I'm a diesel tech and couldn't do my job without air. They do not and most likely will never have a 6 inch long mini 3/8 powered ratchet. I use mine all the time for tight places. Also when I'm taking 40 wheel bolts off of a track tractor that torque to 700 nm a cordless would run out of power. My air impact does not. I don't have to mess with chargers and making sure I always have batteries charged.
 

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I don't think air is dead. I use a 1 inch drive air impact regularly as well as a 3/4. But those might be niche markets. Maybe 10-15 years from now technology will advance to where they can make a 1 inch drive cordless impact that is efficient, but for now I'll have to stick with my air. 1/2 and smaller I'm all cordless, my air tools in that category sit in the toolbox.
 
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