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Why don't Snap on make combination pliers?

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Wondering why Snap on doesn't make Euro style combination pliers. Is the European market too small? Is there no interest in the US? Snap on make great pliers imho and I would definitely be interested in non slip joint combination pliers from them.

This is the style i'm referring to.
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^ Linesman are different than combination pliers. Combination pliers have curved jaws for gripping rods, pipes, bolt heads etc which make them a bit more useful as general purpose pliers.
 

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They don't have to and plenty of german companies make the same quality if not better cough cough knipex.

They are also far cheaper, well developed I don't think people would buy them in the UK at least, I only see people buying sockets, ratchets, spanners, screwdrivers, pry bars, and that's pretty much it.
 
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Those actually look great for general purpose pliers. They look like they could be more versatile than normal short nose combination pliers.

I find that style more useful personally. Channelock also make a cheaper version if you don't like the price of the Snap-ons. Though you really get what you pay for.

https://www.channellock.com/product/e318/

There is no way the standard combination plier design is still under a patent.

Definitely not still under a patent and that style isn't even exclusively european. I had a pair from one of the English makers back in the day. IIRC Eclipse and they were called engineers pliers not combination.
 

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I think it’s just historical. Combination pliers are really a British thing, and U.S. makers haven’t traditionally offered them.

Whenever I’ve mentioned this in the past I’ve usually got the same answers - ‘what about lineman’s pliers, or slip-joint pliers?’ Well, lineman’s pliers differ in not having the curved gripping area behind the flats, and slip joint pliers are, well, slip joints.

Some of the time, I think folks get by with lineman’s pliers, which is why you see far more in the U.S. than in the U.K. where they are really a specialist tool. Some of the time folks get by with slip joints, but I always find these seriously frustrating to use when you’re used to combinations. I think some people also tend to use water pump pliers (look at the numbers of Knipex Alligators and suchlike that are sold) when again these are almost specialist tools in the U.K.

Personally, I find that combination pliers are amongst my most used tools. I use them on just about every job and have a selection of sizes available, mostly British made!

Channellock are one of the few U.S. makers who offer them - they’re nice tools.

The Snap On pliers were originally the old Vacuum Grip line. I believe Snap On bought them out years back. They’re good tools, nice and solid, but sadly I’ve noticed a gradual detioriation in quality over the years. The joints have become simpler (cheaper) and the finish rougher since I first bought them in the 90’s. I still quite like them, but at a retail price now about 3 times that of similar British, French or German products, I doubt I’ll be getting more!

None of them match the quality or practicality of the last of the old ‘Vacuum Grip’ style that were still available up to the mid 90’s if memory serves!

The design of combination pliers couldn’t be patented, and I doubt ever has been. They have evolved over the years and I have pairs in my possession owned by my grandfather that are 90 ish years old, and little different to today’s
 
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There is no way the standard combination plier design is still under a patent.

Maybe not the general configuration, but the exact configuration down to the .0001 of an inch and whatever angles are used are still patented. Maybe Snap-on feels that the Knipex version doesn't need any improvement.
 

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I didn't even know what a combo piler was. Googled that and the Knipex version is $20 at Home Depot......maybe Snap-On doesn't think there is much of a profit to be made when Knipex can be had for a Jackson.
 

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There is no reason for any single tool manufacturer to produce every type of tool in every length, size, and color. But Snap-on has 19 offerings of combination pliers; with 16 being slip joint, and three being single joint as You pictured. But two of those single joints are the same pliers, except for the handle pad colors. So Snap-on does offer two combination pliers designs with the single joint.
 
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Might they be under the Swedish Bahco (sp) . I think I remember Bahco of the adjustable wrench fame taking over a company that made pliers .
 

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Wondering why Snap on doesn't make Euro style combination pliers. Is the European market too small? Is there no interest in the US? Snap on make great pliers imho and I would definitely be interested in non slip joint combination pliers from them.

This is the style i'm referring to.
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The ones in your picture look a lot like Channellock E348 E.
I guess Snap-on doesn't see enough potential demand to sell an equivalent.
 
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I think it’s just historical. Combination pliers are really a British thing, and U.S. makers haven’t traditionally offered them.

Whenever I’ve mentioned this in the past I’ve usually got the same answers - ‘what about lineman’s pliers, or slip-joint pliers?’ Well, lineman’s pliers differ in not having the curved gripping area behind the flats, and slip joint pliers are, well, slip joints.

Some of the time, I think folks get by with lineman’s pliers, which is why you see far more in the U.S. than in the U.K. where they are really a specialist tool. Some of the time folks get by with slip joints, but I always find these seriously frustrating to use when you’re used to combinations. I think some people also tend to use water pump pliers (look at the numbers of Knipex Alligators and suchlike that are sold) when again these are almost specialist tools in the U.K.

Personally, I find that combination pliers are amongst my most used tools. I use them on just about every job and have a selection of sizes available, mostly British made!

Thanks for the information Dave, wasn't aware the British connection.

I have always found the 7" linesman plier as being useful. Tapered jaw gets into places better than a slip-joint, pulls almost as good as a vise-grip and has cutters like a diagonal.

Have some Fuller linesman pliers (Canadian tool company) that were made in Japan
 
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From the replies it's clear that combination pliers are simply not used in the US. Guess it's a small cultural difference between the US and Europe. To be honest I wasn't aware of Linesman pliers before joining this forum. I think every UK toolbox has a pair of combination pliers and probably most UK kitchens have a pair in the drawer where such things are kept. I find it interesting that both Snap on and Knipex (as mentioned above) don't cater for foreign markets.

So may I ask, in the US is the standard design for general use pliers found in every home slip joints like these or linesman or something else?

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Just to clarify what I'm referring to. Linesman compared to combination pliers. This is just general as there are lots of variations.

Linesman (top) - Flat gripping area, cutters, grips behind the pivot. 8-9 inches long.

Combination (bottom) - Flat gripping area, round gripping area, cutters. 6-8 inches long.

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Does snap-on even make a set of pliers?? It seems ever pair I've seen are rebrands.

So may I ask, in the US is the standard design for general use pliers found in every home slip joints like these or linesman or something else?

It seems every toolset ever sold in the US contains slip joint pliers, though I find them the least useful of all pliers to be honest.


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I think they are out of production, but search out Williams Engineers pliers on eBay. They have a bit of a smaller head than normal linesman pliers so they can get into smaller areas but the grip is every bit as beefy as a pair of Klein Linesman for instance. May be a good fit for what you are looking for. Recommended.
 

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Maybe not the general configuration, but the exact configuration down to the .0001 of an inch and whatever angles are used are still patented. Maybe Snap-on feels that the Knipex version doesn't need any improvement.

That's now how a patent works. Patents cover a specific concept, and unless that concept will only work with a certain exact geometry (pliers are not this way) then when the patent is up, it's up.
 

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From the replies it's clear that combination pliers are simply not used in the US. Guess it's a small cultural difference between the US and Europe. To be honest I wasn't aware of Linesman pliers before joining this forum. I think every UK toolbox has a pair of combination pliers and probably most UK kitchens have a pair in the drawer where such things are kept. I find it interesting that both Snap on and Knipex (as mentioned above) don't cater for foreign markets.

So may I ask, in the US is the standard design for general use pliers found in every home slip joints like these or linesman or something else?

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Yes, at least in my experience, slip joints are the common in every house hold drawer pliers in the USA.

Pretty much if you ask someone for a pair of pliers that is what they will get or think of.


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From the replies it's clear that combination pliers are simply not used in the US. Guess it's a small cultural difference between the US and Europe. To be honest I wasn't aware of Linesman pliers before joining this forum. I think every UK toolbox has a pair of combination pliers and probably most UK kitchens have a pair in the drawer where such things are kept. I find it interesting that both Snap on and Knipex (as mentioned above) don't cater for foreign markets.

So may I ask, in the US is the standard design for general use pliers found in every home slip joints like these or linesman or something else?

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What You have pictured have been commonly referred to as common pliers.
 

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I didn't even know what a combo piler was. Googled that and the Knipex version is $20 at Home Depot......maybe Snap-On doesn't think there is much of a profit to be made when Knipex can be had for a Jackson.

You could say that about any tool SO makes...so thats not it.
 

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So I thought about it a little, and Americans do actually use combo pliers quite often, they're just usually part of a Leatherman style multi tool.
 

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Most cheapo tool kits in the US look something like this:

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Small linesman pliers and the slip joint pliers basically replace "combination pliers".

I also find most slip joint pliers to be terrible and borderline useless. I've never owned an expensive pair though, so I might buy some.

I've always been a fan of small linesman pliers. I recently bought a pair of 7.0" Knipex combination pliers and I really like them, although that's probably more the Knipex quality than the pliers design. I really wish Knipex made 7" linesman pliers, I really like using the gripping surface behind the pivot.
 

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Every adult male in America has a five gallon bucket full of common six to eight inch slip-joint pliers; the wife and kids use them. What he actually uses; in no particular order are: channellocks, vise-grips, linesmans, leathermans, diagonals, needle-noses.
 

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I used to keep a pair of Knipex combination pliers in my motorcycle travel kit. Cut and twist safety wire for makeshift repairs. Cut and strip electrical wire. Grip small hex heads. Best of all, they work great for removing/installing master link clips on the drive chain.
 

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Holy 4.5 year thread resurrection.
Snap-on owns Bahco.
They make combination pliers.
Snap-on also sold one under the Williams brand. But it was discontinued, im guessing due to lack of demand. I have a pair of those.

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Wondering why Snap on doesn't make Euro style combination pliers. Is the European market too small? Is there no interest in the US? Snap on make great pliers imho and I would definitely be interested in non slip joint combination pliers from them.

This is the style i'm referring to.
hrthertyhertyh.jpg

I don't think combination pliers are really popular with Automotive Techs in the USA to be honest which is maybe why Snappy doesn't tend to sell them, I use the Knipex versions and they are great.
 
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