Why I buy American Tools

[dandan111]

Unfortunately as manufacturing jobs come back(I think they will). Pay will not be great. All the unemployed will have a chance to work again. Low pay,will whose to blame ,the government,business or the workers that won't unionize?
As far as buying American just do what you can. Don't have to invest in snap on. Next time you buy a shovel look for made in the USA. It's the little things.
You union guys don't give up the faith we all need you. Really.

 

[Dieselbutterfly]

Unfortunately as manufacturing jobs come back(I think they will). Pay will not be great. All the unemployed will have a chance to work again. Low pay,will whose to blame ,the government,business or the workers that won't unionize?
As far as buying American just do what you can. Don't have to invest in snap on. Next time you buy a shovel look for made in the USA. It's the little things.
You union guys don't give up the faith we all need you. Really.

yes,just do what you can,when you can.but DO IT

 

[NWphotog]

yes,just do what you can,when you can.but DO IT

Kind of ironic using a slogan of a company that imports all their product (Shoes). But wait that is the same company that either employees or causes tens of thousands maybe hundred of thousands of US workers to be employed.

 

[nanofrog]

You just laid out the facts why the government is to blame, and you don't understand why people feel that way?

My point was, that though it seems this way, it's only on the surface. Corporate America is pulling the strings backstage on our elected political puppets.

Since the corporations are better at keeping the full extent of their involvement from the public, they aren't seen as responsible as the politicians and other propaganda that's been spread about to misdirect blame in the public's mind.

So I fully understand where the "Blame the Gov't" sentimentality comes from, they're neither the only ones involved, nor the more responsible party. But it is the knee jerk reaction that they intended (shift the blame away from themselves).

 

[mmack66]

My point was, that though it seems this way, it's only on the surface. Corporate America is pulling the strings backstage on our elected political puppets.

Since the corporations are better at keeping the full extent of their involvement from the public, they aren't seen as responsible as the politicians and other propaganda that's been spread about to misdirect blame in the public's mind.

So I fully understand where the "Blame the Gov't" sentimentality comes from, they're neither the only ones involved, nor the more responsible party. But it is the knee jerk reaction that they intended (shift the blame away from themselves).

Everyone knows that politicians are manipulated by special interest groups, political action committees, lobbyists, big business interests, and so on. Part of the blame falls on the politicians for not taking steps to stop political favoritism, but the ultimate blame falls on the voters for continuing to vote the jokers into office.

Blaming the influence peddlers is just what the politicians want.

 

[buffalobill]

I guess "employment at will" isn't practiced much up there

just at non union shops. employment at will ***** so bad, Montana has labor laws on the book against it. you have to be fired for "just cause" in Montana.

Would I have more job security in a union? Definitely, but I'd rather have the onus put on me to go out and seek higher pay if the deal I'm getting isn't working for me. Same with my retirement income.
I'm around the same age as you, lets see what happens to the "onus" when you have got bills to pay and a kid at home, and no money.
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the coming years, I'd guess that most people of my generation (mid-20s) aren't banking on having a union-negotiated pension but are investing for themselves. Couple that with having no long-term loyalty to any one employer, and we're bound for a big shift from what it used to be...

most people our age are idiots who think they are going to be a reality tv star at some point. I don't have a union pension, but i have a non traditional 401k negotiated by the teamsters that is very nice, better than anyone on the non union side.

 

[buffalobill]

#1 reason to argue for buying USA? Because you want to see prosperity ripple through the US economy and have everyone here do better.

#1 reason to argue against it? So that you can sleep at night, not having to worry that you sold out your neighbor, your grandchildren, and YOURSELF just to "save" a few bucks.

it makes me happy when other people get it!

 

[Trucky]

This is my take on all this kind of talk: Everybody's an expert.

You've got those convinced they're right, the paranoid that worry that they're wrong, people who don't have an opinion but believe everyone else's opinions are wrong anyways. All a bunch of malarkey. It reminds me of some crappy drama show on TNT. I hope y'all have fun running in circles in these threads. I buy American made stuff but the reasons why are nobody else's business and I will continue to do so until I'm done with turning screws.

 

[buffalobill]

Pure and uter BS. Factory work was great in the 50s and 60s. Now it is the last bastion of people that have no motivation and don't mind horrible pay. What you want to pay every factory worker 2x? You just cut every one else's pay in half and ruined what little competitiveness American factories had. If we should buy American that also means never buying German, Japanese, Canadian, or Mexican products. Oops that means most US autos are out. It always amazes me the lack of logic on the buy American crowd.

it always amazes me when a guys says "no bs excuses" in his original post, and you come on here and give them, because you want to feel better. I've read your posts on here, you fly a chinese flag on the front of your house or somethin?

 

[buffalobill]

Unfortunately as manufacturing jobs come back(I think they will). Pay will not be great. All the unemployed will have a chance to work again. Low pay,will whose to blame ,the government,business or the workers that won't unionize?
As far as buying American just do what you can. Don't have to invest in snap on. Next time you buy a shovel look for made in the USA. It's the little things.
You union guys don't give up the faith we all need you. Really.

I never will, i just wish other people of my generation would realize that the same EXCUSES were given in the 30's, and people were rioting in the streets so they could have health insurance, a retirement plan, and a weekend. and they keep chipping away at it, and pussies roll over and say **** like "unions aren't needed anymore", i have a weekend, and benefits. look at the jobs out there today, they are taking them away from people! look at conway freight. they used to offer "union like" benefits. now what do they offer? ****. expensive health insurance that *****, they took the pension away, they offer NO match on a 401k.

 

[buffalobill]

Kind of ironic using a slogan of a company that imports all their product (Shoes). But wait that is the same company that either employees or causes tens of thousands maybe hundred of thousands of US workers to be employed.

Nike doesn't have a patent on words, do they? I'm pretty sure people have been saying "do it" long before they were even thought of.

 

[nanofrog]

Everyone knows that politicians are manipulated by special interest groups, political action committees, lobbyists, big business interests, and so on. Part of the blame falls on the politicians for not taking steps to stop political favoritism, but the ultimate blame falls on the voters for continuing to vote the jokers into office.

Blaming the influence peddlers is just what the politicians want.

I get your point, I really do.

Fundamentally, I see it as selfishness ("Me, me, me, mine, mine, mine. F*** anyone else."). That is, they have no ethics or sense of civic duty to their bosses these days, which are the American People. They want to retain their power and wealth, so they do what they think is necessary to do that, regardless of what it is (including selling out). So from this POV, I can see why people would prefer to blame the politicians.

What I try to keep in mind however, is the amounts of money offered up to politicians by the corporations would be hard to resist, especially when such transaction methods they're using are business as usual.

Nor did the current extent of corruption happen all at once. Corporations bought key players here and there, to fulfill their goals. As they gained ground (were successful at it), they became more active in using these methods to increase the rate/extent of their goals.

Even business people have gotten into politics directly to further their goals (put corporations first), generating a system where a very small minority has control of the government instead of the masses.

Yet corporations themselves are not elected.

Definitely collusion going on, but I look to where it started, which was with the corporations, not the politicians (whom are easily swayed with $$$, and this was clearly taken advantage of).

 

[mmack66]

Kind of ironic using a slogan of a company that imports all their product (Shoes). But wait that is the same company that either employees or causes tens of thousands maybe hundred of thousands of US workers to be employed.

Nike's slogan is "Just Do It"

 

[Steinmetz]

Nike doesn't have a patent on words, do they? I'm pretty sure people have been saying "do it" long before they were even thought of.

Words cannot be patented. It is a registered trademark applicable only to the goods and services listed in the registration.

 

[mmack66]

I get your point, I really do.

Fundamentally, I see it as selfishness ("Me, me, me, mine, mine, mine. F*** anyone else."). That is, they have no ethics or sense of civic duty to their bosses these days, which are the American People. They want to retain their power and wealth, so they do what they think is necessary to do that, regardless of what it is (including selling out). So from this POV, I can see why people would prefer to blame the politicians.

What I try to keep in mind however, is the amounts of money offered up to politicians by the corporations would be hard to resist, especially when such transaction methods they're using are business as usual.

Nor did the current extent of corruption happen all at once. Corporations bought key players here and there, to fulfill their goals. As they gained ground (were successful at it), they became more active in using these methods to increase the rate/extent of their goals.

Even business people have gotten into politics directly to further their goals (put corporations first), generating a system where a very small minority has control of the government instead of the masses.

Yet corporations themselves are not elected.

Definitely collusion going on, but I look to where it started, which was with the corporations, not the politicians (whom are easily swayed with $$$, and this was clearly taken advantage of).

Yes. That is all spelled out in Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.

I guess I choose to blame the person who is taking the money, because without him, the giver of the money would have no influence.

 

[Conductor562]

most people our age are idiots who think they are going to be a reality tv star at some point. I don't have a union pension, but i have a non traditional 401k negotiated by the teamsters that is very nice, better than anyone on the non union side.

Most people our age are idiots indeed. I graduated in a small class or 40 some kids and among us there are maybe 15 that grew up and followed the natural progression into careers and families. Drugs have rendered a significant portion of our generation almost completely useless.

 

[Chipmunk]

You are so hopelessly clueless that I actually feel my IQ dropping by just reading your posts

Just about everything you have written in this thread is so blatantly wrong or misinformed that its actually funny. Sure I could pick apart your posts, point by point but I have a life and its abundantly clear that it would be a waste of my time. You are obviously the type who will continue to argue their point even after being proven wrong. I learned a long time ago that you just can't have an intelligent debate with a mentally handicap opponent.

For anybody who may still be considering replying to this rodent, keep this in mind... Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, it still means you're retarded.

Have a wonderful weekend

You would if you could, but you can’t so you won’t.

Your I.Q. dropped some time ago, however your arrogance increases with each contemptuous comment you make. You act like some teenager who had his prom date stole by some union guy and now you’re pissed at unions and working people.

You have yet to respond to any point I’ve made with anything other than insults, your entire augment is that Italy is misplaced and that somehow justifies your hatred of American workers and their unions. Now that attitude may place you in good stead in the hills of rural Kentucky, where you can brown nose your boss and I suggest that’s where you should stay, where you can sit on a stump, play with your pecker and convince yourself how smart you are.

 

[dandan111]

Lol . Good stuff

 

[Conductor562]

^ wned2: ^

 

[andywander]

btw, only the road drivers of the time could HOPE to get to 90k. show me where ANY nationsway drivers made 130k a year?! your nuts, i know what they were making then, how are you going to run THAT ILLEGAL? you would have to work 2 logbooks every week, all year! you tellin me that all those drivers out in denver did that? yeah right, the DOT would have been waiting outside the gates drooling. not to mention any city driver there, at that time would have been making right around 19-20 an hour, so what, you might bring home 50k?!

Why would the DOT care how much the drivers were making?

 

[O_M_Jeep]

You would if you could, but you can’t so you won’t.

Your I.Q. dropped some time ago, however your arrogance increases with each contemptuous comment you make. You act like some teenager who had his prom date stole by some union guy and now you’re pissed at unions and working people.

You have yet to respond to any point I’ve made with anything other than insults, your entire augment is that Italy is misplaced and that somehow justifies your hatred of American workers and their unions. Now that attitude may place you in good stead in the hills of rural Kentucky, where you can brown nose your boss and I suggest that’s where you should stay, where you can sit on a stump, play with your pecker and convince yourself how smart you are.

You cant even keep straight who your talking to, what a *****.

This thread is a train wreck, pun intended.

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[Conductor562]

Why would the DOT care how much the drivers were making?

DOT wouldn't care how much they were making. They WOULD care that they were keeping 2 log books to hide the hours they were really driving and such.

 

[Hiball]

Why would the DOT care how much the drivers were making?

Because "mileage" translates into wages.... Which makes that $130k figure is completely unfeasible unless laws where broken.

 

[Chipmunk]

You cant even keep straight who your talking to, what a *****.

This thread is a train wreck, pun intended.

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The important thing is that you knew who I was talking to, without being told.

 

[O_M_Jeep]

DOT wouldn't care how much they were making. They WOULD care that they were keeping 2 log books to hide the hours they were really driving and such.

Because "mileage" translates into wages.... Which makes that $130k figure is completely unfeasible unless laws where broken.

NW were 100% team operation, no need for multiple logs (any rookie driver worth the liscense knows how to not get caught). The biggest generators werent the ones driving, they were the ones sitting waiting for the road service truck or wrecker, thats how you make money in a union driving job, by not driving, good ol American Union reward for a creative lack of productivity, kind of like the guys who spend their whole carreer on light duty at work while roller blading and bunji-jumping on the weekend, but I'm quite sure these guys will say that never happens either

 

[Sureshot]

I think the unions started out as a good idea and still are in some ways but in other ways they are going the way of Washington and the top dogs in the corporate world. The top people in all of these cases bully and intimidate in the name of progress while filling their own pockets and padding their own future.
I preferred not to seek union employment where I was the same as everyone else and my advancement was based on time served rather than talent and intellect. Not saying it is bad. If that is what you want then have at it. I set my goals higher and prefer to have my future in my own hands not a pension plan run by someone else.
The world has become so full of parasites drawing off the working man. Wall St. started out fine but now with all the middle men between the company profit and the owners/shareholders it barely trickles through. What does the other parasites (tax) take a big bite.
The unions started out for a good cause but SOME get carried away with protecting ****** workers and loading corporations with rules. Then pay the top guys way more than the members and use bullying and intimidation. Those top people are parasites on the Union members.
IMHO the extreme Union people take it too far, the Gov is out of control. Way to many trying to justify themselves as "value added" in Corporations,Union and Gov. When the parasites start drawing to much they must go back to the host for more and more and eventually kill it and then they themselves die.
Are you a parasite or host?

 

[96snma]

You would if you could, but you can’t so you won’t.

Your I.Q. dropped some time ago, however your arrogance increases with each contemptuous comment you make. You act like some teenager who had his prom date stole by some union guy and now you’re pissed at unions and working people.

You have yet to respond to any point I’ve made with anything other than insults, your entire augment is that Italy is misplaced and that somehow justifies your hatred of American workers and their unions. Now that attitude may place you in good stead in the hills of rural Kentucky, where you can brown nose your boss and I suggest that’s where you should stay, where you can sit on a stump, play with your pecker and convince yourself how smart you are.

Since you brought it up again I couldn't leave it.
You should really check your facts before you make yourself look stupid, and continue to deny it when proven wrong.

There are 7 continents (North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.) Notice Mediterania is not one of them. Of those 7, and you can only pick from the list, please tell me which continent Italy is part

 

[Conductor562]

thats not how it used to work, thats your 8th grade education showing thru. if you would have kept learning, you would have found out your attitude didn't get anyone anywhere, and they started forming unions because they were being taken advantage of, and they were sick of getting the shaft.

btw, how is a yellow driver supposed to disobey a DIRECT ORDER from management, to fuel a truck? if management fucks up, its their fault, and you can't argue with them, the guy would have been fired on the spot if he fueled the truck after management told him not to.

want to keep digging? one of my best friends runs line haul for YRC as they are now called, and you wouldn't answer me on the Yellow Roadway debacle. keep retreating to your "work ethic" arguement, even though you just told me that management screwed themselves over on a power trip.

I'm not holding my breath on you showing me anyone who ACTUALLY made 130k on line haul pay either. you can't make that NOW, with higher pay, how were you making it 15 years ago at a much lower rate?

That's how it works on the Railroad too. You get these idiot managers that come up with some kind of money/time saving plan and when you tell them all the reasons it's a terrible idea they get pissed and order you to do it anyway. At that point we go ahead an open up our pockets and let them fill them up When their boss gets pissed they find some way to blame the crew rather than fess up and admit they were to incompetent to execute the task at hand. I blocked a single main line one time for over 4 hours because they took too many cars to a mine. I told them it wouldn't hold 150 100 ton cars but they basically told me I was just trying to get out of doing it.
Long story short, we had 10 cars fouling the main, I ran out of time, and by the time the re-crew got it clear there were trains stacked up for several miles. Didn't hurt my feelings any. I told him it was a bad idea, he pulled rank and ordered me to do it anyway and I gave him exactly what he deserved. A big headache and an *** chewing from his boss.

 

[Conductor562]

NW were 100% team operation, no need for multiple logs (any rookie driver worth the liscense knows how to not get caught). The biggest generators werent the ones driving, they were the ones sitting waiting for the road service truck or wrecker, thats how you make money in a union driving job, by not driving, good ol American Union reward for a creative lack of productivity, kind of like the guys who spend their whole carreer on light duty at work while roller blading and bunji-jumping on the weekend, but I'm quite sure these guys will say that never happens either

So they were driving ****** enough trucks that waiting on a wrecker was routine enough to be a significant portion of income? And in your view it would be acceptable for the company to issue such ****** equipment and expect the drivers to eat the downtime because the company wanted to skimp on maintenance? Perhaps the drivers should have paid out of their pocket to maintain the trucks for the company?

 

[O_M_Jeep]

So they were driving ****** enough trucks that waiting on a wrecker was routine enough to be a significant portion of income? And in your view it would be acceptable for the company to issue such ****** equipment and expect the drivers to eat the downtime because the company wanted to skimp on maintenance? Perhaps the drivers should have paid out of their pocket to maintain the trucks for the company?

The trucks were better than most on the road, you know DOT watching and all, they did what most union drivers do, take advantage of the loop-holes to do as little as possible for the most pay, that means if they can sit on "break down" time for a blown fuse or burned out headlight and get paid an extra 4 or 5 hours, they would, the shop knows the drivers were causing the break downs, the management knows the drivers were causing the breakdowns, the union knows the drivers were causing the break downs but unless someone could prove it, the union saved the jobs.

You know why the Teamsters mascot is a horse dont you? It's the only animal that can sleep standing up.

 

[Chipmunk]

Since you brought it up again I couldn't leave it.
You should really check your facts before you make yourself look stupid, and continue to deny it when proven wrong.

There are 7 continents (North America, South America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia and Antarctica.) Notice Mediterania is not one of them. Of those 7, and you can only pick from the list, please tell me which continent Italy is part

Here is how I know I’ve won the issue….of all the arguments I’ve made regarding unions and their member you haters have not answered one of them. Because you can’t, you seek to draw attention away from the issue. I’ve moved on, you and the other union haters can argue amongst yourself as to who has the better job. McDonalds or Burger King? And while you’re mopping up you can put Italy where you want it. I know where I would put it.

 

[dandan111]

For christ sakes you hate unions OM. Stop being such a hatter and get that damn china bs off your pasty. It dont really bother me that much be you should be ashamed of it. Your probly just wish you had a union job. Or would you rather have a less paying job?

 

[helterskelter]

I figured I'd toss in my $.02.

As someone that works in manufacturing in an industry that is seeing increased outsourcing. Belt grinding wrenches is not a job that will ever make financial sense here. But the guy who programs the robot that belt grinds wrenches and works 24/7 unattended IS a job we want here and is something that does make financial sense.

The high dollar, complicated operations are the ones that will stay here (machining a $50k forging for example). On the commodity items we either need to work smarter (more automation, etc), or they will go offshore. Labor intensive, inexpensive items aren't something we want here.

 

[richfinn]

Jibber Jabber politics talk, WTF has this got to do with tools?

piss off to another forum and stop wasting peoples time with this ****.

 

[RivennHewn]

Conductor, people will never understand unless they see those picture in real life everyday. Great visual of the problem globalization has caused for American companies.

Blame it on 'Globalization'?

How about ****** foreign policy and trade deals.

 

[Conductor562]

The drivers burnt out their own headlights? If I have a burnt out headlight on a locomotive I have to get it fixed. There are company and (because it is the railroad) federal guidelines regarding this. Management will try to intimidate me into departing with the burned out headlight despite the fact that it violates their own rules because it is the local managers job to get the trains moved down the line. Once it leaves his terminal it's someone else's problem. If I do take the train with the burned out headlight and something happens such as a crossing accident, trespasser gets greased, etc., it's my *** that's in deep ****. The manager will say he never told me to depart and upper management will take his side (even if they know he did it) for liability reasons and in the end it will be my kids who have to go without. Replacing the headlight will take forever! This will be because the mechanical department will wait until someone is going to be in the area anyway because calling a man out to fix it will cost money above and beyond the rock bottom number he was hoping for and cut into his bonus. When the train with the burnt out light doesn't get to it's destination on time management will blame me and say that I was dicking around trying to make overtime to keep from admitting they didn't want to call someone out. I could've changed the light myself if I had the lamp, but again, company rules prevent me from doing so because of the outside chance I might pinch my finger or something. Management will cut jobs so much that they don't have enough men to service the customers until hours later than scheduled. When the customer calls corporate and raises hell they will apologize and ask the local manager to explain. The local manager will blame me and say that I was not willing to work because I was on my day off and wouldn't answer the phone. The truth of the matter is that the Local Manager cut jobs way deeper than what was required to do the work to save money and improve is bonus that is based on his operating budget which in turn caused me to work enough days in a row that I am prohibited by federal law from working again until I've had 48 hours off plus he has a whole list of furloughed guys begging to work that he never attempted to call. The railroad will micro-manage themselves into a bind and when someone has to answer to upper management for the cluster f#%k they created they'll blame me, the lazy union ******* that's trying to lay the meat to them. I know how big business works, I live it every day, and I imagine NW was much the same. They blame the union for incompetent management and people like you buy every word they say because you refuse to see big business as the cut throat bastards that they are.

 

[Conductor562]

You cant even keep straight who your talking to, what a *****.

This thread is a train wreck, pun intended.

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BTW, what happened to this

 

[Sureshot]

It seems the bigger anything gets the dumber it gets. Gov, corps, unions, egos.

 

[Chipmunk]

When I was younger I had an uncle who always came to our family “pot luck” reunions, without his own covered dish. He always ate from the dishes other people brought but never brought one himself.

He was a wealth of excuses, he was too busy, he didn’t feel good, he forgot the recipe, the dog stole his pot, a tornado ripped off his kitchen, whatever, he always had an excuse.

My uncle reminds me of a few people I’ve met in my work life. They all want the union job for the benefits but never want to help pay their own way. They want that union pension, they just don’t want to pay union dues. They want the union wage, they just don’t want to pay union dues.

I’ve even met some phonies who had a “ philosophical “ difference with unions, Of course they had no “philosophical” difference with the union pension or the union wages…their real “philosophical” difference was paying union dues.

Their excuses were the same as you’ve heard here. “union workers are lazy” so I guess they would automatically become lazy if they were in a union. “The union holds me back - I can negotiate better wages and conditions by myself” ….sure you can junior, you’re superman, you have more bargaining power then the combined might of thousands of union members. “Unions were OK at one time but now they’ve outgrown their usefulness” Really? You must be the bosses little boy.

The union haters I’ve heard here are nothing more than welfare seekers, they accept the benefits won by unions throughout the years, like safer working conditions, pensions, wages, real rights at work, weekends, extra pay for overtime. Then ***** like a cry baby about unions as if employers gave up those benefits out of the kindness of their corporate hearts.

I’ve heard your excuses, you and I both know what your are, and you should be ashamed. But you don’t even have the backbone to be ashamed.

That same slug who will sell out his working brother, will buy that cheap Chinese prison labor wrench and feel no remorse. Then turn about and ***** about his station in life and how the government and the unions are holding him down.

 

[Conductor562]

When I was younger I had an uncle who always came to our family “pot luck” reunions, without his own covered dish. He always ate from the dishes other people brought but never brought one himself.

He was a wealth of excuses, he was too busy, he didn’t feel good, he forgot the recipe, the dog stole his pot, a tornado ripped off his kitchen, whatever, he always had an excuse.

My uncle reminds me of a few people I’ve met in my work life. They all want the union job for the benefits but never want to help pay their own way. They want that union pension, they just don’t want to pay union dues. They want the union wage, they just don’t want to pay union dues.

I’ve even met some phonies who had a “ philosophical “ difference with unions, Of course they had no “philosophical” difference with the union pension or the union wages…their real “philosophical” difference was paying union dues.

Their excuses were the same as you’ve heard here. “union workers are lazy” so I guess they would automatically become lazy if they were in a union. “The union holds me back - I can negotiate better wages and conditions by myself” ….sure you can junior, you’re superman, you have more bargaining power then the combined might of thousands of union members. “Unions were OK at one time but now they’ve outgrown their usefulness” Really? You must be the bosses little boy.

The union haters I’ve heard here are nothing more than welfare seekers, they accept the benefits won by unions throughout the years, like safer working conditions, pensions, wages, real rights at work, weekends, extra pay for overtime. Then ***** like a cry baby about unions as if employers gave up those benefits out of the kindness of their corporate hearts.

I’ve heard your excuses, you and I both know what your are, and you should be ashamed. But you don’t even have the backbone to be ashamed.

That same slug who will sell out his working brother, will buy that cheap Chinese prison labor wrench and feel no remorse. Then turn about and ***** about his station in life and how the government and the unions are holding him down.

Well said Brother, well said.