Why I hate Craftsman screwdrivers...

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Less then a dollar?
Even in the very biggest pack, on sale, there a little over a dollar.
Bought one at a time there over $4.00
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00941042000P?prdNo=4&blockNo=4&blockType=G4

"you might at least want to know what tool you are bashing. Especially something as basic as driver size/type."

That same set goes on sale often for less than $40. I think I got my brother that set for around or a little over $30 actually. That's how I came up with my numbers. Even using that and going a little over a dollar, what do you expect?

And not sure what that last part was about, but I try.

 

[waltmcq]

the moral to the story, If you don't like craftsman don't buy them. You don't need to justify it with the world.

 

[PassnThru]

I didn't realize Reed Prince was a type of screw other than phillips.

And that is the problem. You started a thread showing how much better the #2 phillips from other companies fit versus a reed prince from Craftsman. You put yourself out there - and your comparison was flawed. And yet you still defend it. And you insist that we should listen to your opinion when you don't know the difference between a reed prince and a #2.
It's not about Craftsman for me. I don't care what tool you own. I don't own any Snap On or any premium brand - but if you had posted a Snap On reed prince in that comparison I would still be arguing this point.

 

[Kirbot]

Of course if I wanted to get really picky, I would point out that, that set includes 13 items other than regular screwdrivers.

But I'm not trying to be an aggravating, picky *******, so I won't point it out...


The moral to this story?
Make sure you know what your talking about before opening your mouth.
No matter what your intentions, you'll run in to a bunch of... people who are quick to call names at the very least.

I certainly don't think it's a reason only to review tools I like, as a matter of fact thats rather silly isn't it?

 

[jay50]

It does say Reed Prince on it now that I look at it.
What exactly is that supposed to prove anyway?
If you've never heard of Reed Prince before, that doesn't mean much.

I never gave it much thought, but I guess I assumed that was the name of the manufacturer.

, how about knowing wtf you are talking about before you start trashing a tool in a comparison.....

 

[Kirbot]

And that is the problem. You started a thread showing how much better the #2 phillips from other companies fit versus a reed prince from Craftsman. You put yourself out there - and your comparison was flawed. And yet you still defend it. And you insist that we should listen to your opinion when you don't know the difference between a reed prince and a #2.
It's not about Craftsman for me. I don't care what tool you own. I don't own any Snap On or any premium brand - but if you had posted a Snap On reed prince in that comparison I would still be arguing this point.

WTF?

Since when am I still defending it?
I still think there screwdrivers are far too soft.

But I am certainly willing to give there phillips a try anyway.

I deleted the original post, admitted In this case I didn't know what I was talking about, and said I would give the phililps a try.

And yet I'm "still defending it"....

Yeah, surrreeeee...

 

[Kirbot]

And you insist that we should listen to your opinion when you don't know the difference between a reed prince and a #2.

Actually I don't give a flying poo poo if you listen to my opinion or not.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Of course if I wanted to get really picky, I would point out that, that set includes 13 items other than regular screwdrivers.

But I'm not trying to be an aggravating, picky *******, so I won't point it out...


The moral to this story?
Make sure you know what your talking about before opening your mouth.
No matter what your intentions, you'll run in to a bunch of... people who are quick to call names at the very least.

I certainly don't think it's a reason only to review tools I like, as a matter of fact thats rather silly isn't it?

And if I wanted to be a ******* I would point out that you can get those drivers for next to nothing outside of Sears, haha.

I sure hope I'm not included in that group you are talking about, as I think I've been more than fair here.

 

[PassnThru]

WTF?

Since when am I still defending it?
I still think there screwdrivers are far too soft.

Point - counterpoint. In your own words.

But I am certainly willing to give there phillips a try anyway.

I deleted the original post, admitted In this case I didn't know what I was talking about, and said I would give the phililps a try.

You don't own a Craftsman #2 phillips but you're happy to condemn them?

And yet I'm "still defending it"....

What did I miss?????

Yeah, surrreeeee...

 

[Kirbot]

"WTF?

Since when am I still defending it?
I still think there screwdrivers are far too soft.

"Point - counterpoint. In your own words."
POINT- I have not condemned Craftsman phillips! I already said I would buy one to try.
I do know for a fact however that there flat head screwdriver are far softer then the cheap off brand stuff from tractorsupply. And I think it's rather silly to assume the phillips will be any differen't.


But I am certainly willing to give there phillips a try anyway.

I deleted the original post, admitted In this case I didn't know what I was talking about, and said I would give the phililps a try.

You don't own a Craftsman #2 phillips but you're happy to condemn them?
I'm still condemning it now am I?
No, I'm condemning the flat head drivers, and saying it's pretty safe to assume the phillips won't be any harder.

And yet I'm "still defending it"....

What did I miss?????

What did you miss?
Everything you didn't wan't to hear I suppose...

 

[PassnThru]

You know what I like the most about forums? Every post is available for review - from the beginning to the end of a thread.
I'm comfortable with that in this case. Nothing more to add.
Good night.

 

[billymade]

I would call snap-on on the broken bits; they sent me new ones for free! Maybe your dealer is being a weasel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel

 

[yjWrangler]

You seriously expect us to buy that? Thats downright laughable...

When I first saw one I thought the exact same thing...

Hell I just learned what it meant

 

[tw33k2514]

Frankly, I think you guys need to give the guy a break. just sayin

 

[Skin]

this thread *****, i'll fix it with a t-rex in a jet!

 

[gatewaysysop]

Frankly, I think you guys need to give the guy a break. just sayin

I'll second this. There's useful information in here and it would be a shame to have the thread deleted because things get out of hand.

 

[NWphotog]

He gets the point across, however, that low-end Craftsman ****, but the Pro line is actually pretty good.

I don't think he has shown that at all. Maybe he has said that but there has been no proof what so ever to back it up. That said I don't think it was malicious at all.

 

[Elroy]

I'll second this. There's useful information in here and it would be a shame to have the thread deleted because things get out of hand.

Add Elroy to the cut the slack list.



It's smart ***, bite your head off remarks like this that are running people off.

, how about knowing wtf you are talking about before you start trashing a tool in a comparison.....

 

[NWphotog]

I'll second this. There's useful information in here and it would be a shame to have the thread deleted because things get out of hand.

Other than the difference between a philips head and a reed and prince I think there was zero useful information.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Add Elroy to the cut the slack list.



It's smart ***, bite your head off remarks like this that are running people off.

I would say that it's probably guys being a little too sensitive that's running them off. Maybe that comment was a little harsh, but I hope no one's feelings were hurt here. Lesson learned and move on is what I would say. So what do you guys say? Can we all man the eff up and talk some tools without getting our feelings hurt?

 

[NWphotog]

Add Elroy to the cut the slack list.



It's smart ***, bite your head off remarks like this that are running people off.

Actually I think the point you shouldn't condemn tools you have no clue about is a good one. If any one is going to offer up a review/comparison they should be accurate and unbiased.

 

[kc-steve]

Actually I think the point you shouldn't condemn tools you have no clue about is a good one. If any one is going to offer up a review/comparison they should be accurate and unbiased.

I agree, but I think this thread result actually shows the state of our current society in general when the "average joe" thinks they have a corner on the way products should be made, so to speak, even though Craftsman or others have far more knowledge about what they do and why they do it. In other words, insert foot into mouth . . . before thinking.

Steve

 

[blue dog]

Give the guy some slack, some of you talk like this a life or death situation,and talking down to the op is just ignorant. I too am unfamiliar with prince reed screws, but i could give a flying fu#$. The op made a mistake, it was brought to his attention and he has cleared up the miss information, why persist in badgering him. Back the fu#$ off all ready. Are we back in jr. high?

 

[kc-steve]

blue dog maybe I deserved that but you obviously missed my post #40 where I DID give the guy slack. Try and keep up dude.

I was only addressing the thread in general.

 

[blue dog]

Sorry Steve! I just am tired of these threads tuning into something the complete opposite of what the OP started, and on top of that, getting bashed for it. We are all here to learn and share our knowledge and experience, this thread is a prime example of how that goes in the wrong direction. I too have been put in this situation a few times here, but never started a thread wanting it to turn into a fight or argument.
And for the record, i have cman, wera, wiha, snap on, klein and pb swiss drivers, hands down, pb swiss are the best at fitting any fastner, best construction, from the best materials, i would only rank the SO drivers just above the cman. So put that in your pipe and smoke it ,all you die hard Snap on fanatics.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Give the guy some slack, some of you talk like this a life or death situation,and talking down to the op is just ignorant. I too am unfamiliar with prince reed screws, but i could give a flying fu#$. The op made a mistake, it was brought to his attention and he has cleared up the miss information, why persist in badgering him. Back the fu#$ off all ready. Are we back in jr. high?

I think you're missing the point many are making. If a mistake was made that would be one thing. It's the fact that the thread was started to bad mouth a tool that has been proven and used for years with incorrect comparisons. I could care less if he wants to start a bash thread, but at least know what you're talking about before you start bad mouthing it in the first place. I agree that he cleared everything up, and that's great. I stick by the fact that he should think again before posting a bash thread. People around here seem to do that a little too frequently.

Apparently we are back in junior high if every one is getting **** hurt here.

*edit*

BTW, if I said something harsh to the OP, please point it out to me, because that was never my intention.

 

[blue dog]

I think you're missing the point many are making. If a mistake was made that would be one thing. It's the fact that the thread was started to bad mouth a tool that has been proven and used for years with incorrect comparisons. I could care less if he wants to start a bash thread, but at least know what you're talking about before you start bad mouthing it in the first place. I agree that he cleared everything up, and that's great. I stick by the fact that he should think again before posting a bash thread. People around here seem to do that a little too frequently.

Apparently we are back in junior high if every one is getting **** hurt here.

*edit*

BTW, if I said something harsh to the OP, please point it out to me, because that was never my intention.

Yes, And Vincent acknowledge that fact, and apologized, yet continued to be bashed. It is kinda of like this. Explaining one thing in a prison yard,comes across totally different when explained in a board room, yet the same thing was conveyed. There are many ways to explain things, for example, Vincent, do you realize that the driver you showed was a prince reed and different then a ph2. Or the op has no clue what he is talking about, he is comparing apples to grapefruit, the guy does not even know the difference between the 2 and yet he is going to do a comparison.
Now, what direction would the bear get more honey from with out bringing down the mentality of the thread. get my drift?

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Yes, And Vincent acknowledge that fact, and apologized, yet continued to be bashed. It is kinda of like this. Explaining one thing in a prison yard,comes across totally different when explained in a board room, yet the same thing was conveyed. There are many ways to explain things, for example, Vincent, do you realize that the driver you showed was a prince reed and different then a ph2. Or the op has no clue what he is talking about, he is comparing apples to grapefruit, the guy does not even know the difference between the 2 and yet he is going to do a comparison.
Now, what direction would the bear get more honey from with out bringing down the mentality of the thread. get my drift?

I can agree that maybe a few in here got a little carried away, but we are men in here correct? I hope no one had their feelings hurt. Either way, I already said it. If I was out of line, show me where. I feel I personally was reasonable throughout. I also stand by the fact that we aren't children and don't need to act like some one stole our lunch money over this.

Again, I think had he started off the thread a bit differently, the response to it would have been a little different as well. Don't start a bash thread if you can't handle it in return, especially when you're wrong.

I think I've said my peace. Agree with me or not, I think we've beat this thing to death already.

 

[Cheapskate]

Tough crowd. Guy made an honest mistake that I bet a majority of members here could have also made and corrected his post once his error was pointed out to him. No need to berate the guy in my opinion.

 

[thesilverone]

wow on larger forums this thread would of been locked already

 

[Thumper]

4 pages ?? You gotta be shittin me...

 

[littlekillertoad]

I didn't realize that there was a such a thing as reed prince. I learned something today.

 

[Kirbot]

Not to mention you started out showing a comparison of "#2" drivers, and when you found out that didn't accomplish your goal of bashing the driver, you switched over to show a flat head driver that is "Craftsman" without showing a picture of anything but the tip.

I took that picture over a month ago to use in this topic,
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79073

I think I still have it, I'll post a picture of the whole thing as soon as I find it.

Are you happy yet?

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Are you happy yet?

Good work. Are we done here yet?

 

[Kirbot]

Good work. Are we done here yet?

Lol, look whose talking.

Besides, you accuse me of lying about the brand of a screwdriver just to prove some point.
Then you say this,

If I was out of line, show me where. I feel I personally was reasonable throughout.

Then you get pissed when I answer you.

is right

 

[COWBOY]

It is "Reed and Prince, not "Reid and Prince"...The Reed and Prince company has
been in business in Massachusetts for over 120 years...They started out making
nails...The "cross-head" Reed and Prince screw goes back to the 1930's and
preceded Phillips...

The Reed and Prince screw driver was designed for production work...Because of
the sharp point, one size fits all, making it unnecessary to change tips on the
production line...Many screw drivers sold today as Phillips are not really
Phillips because they have a sharp point, a characteristic of Reed and
Prince...Phillips drivers have a blunt point and it is necessary to change tips
to accommodate the size screw...If a Reed and Prince tip is used on a Phillips
screw, the pointed tip will bottom out in the shallow recess of the Phillips
screw, preventing the side flutes of the tip from fully engaging the cross
slots, possibly resulting in stripping out the cross slot...Examination of the
recess in the screw will tell if it is a Phillips or a Reed and Prince...The
Phillips will have a shallow, almost flat bottom, the Reed and Prince will be
deeper and have a pointed bottom...

 

[COWBOY]

this info from world of google
thanks COWBOY.

 

[SnowBlaZeR2]

Lol, look whose talking.

Besides, you accuse me of lying about the brand of a screwdriver just to prove some point.
Then you say this,


Then you get pissed when I answer you.

is right

Ok, I never once said you were lying. I said your picture was questionable and said you should post something else up. After your first post, I'd say that's more than reasonable.

Trust me, I'm not pissed at all. It will take a lot more than something like this to get me fired up, haha. :lol_hitt

You keep trying though. That, or let it go. It's up to you.

 

[Abbott]

My Craftsman screwdrivers work fine.

 

[blue dog]

My Craftsman screwdrivers work fine.

What's up Abbott, have not seen you around much lately, hope the holidays are treating you right.
Glad you are enjoying your craftsman screwdrivers. My stinky handle drivers have been with me for a long time, and like you, they work fine, maybe broke 1 tip in 20 plus years. I have since upgraded and moved all my cman drivers to the truck tool box, pit boxes and the construction bag. Foe some reason i like cellulose acetate handles on tools, they are tuff, fluids do not effect them and i just plain like the way feel in my hand. Try a pb swiss driver one day and yo will be in love.
OH yeah, stop arguing you bunch of goof balls.