Motorman55
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Yes I've been to Taiwan.
Why no coo?
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Yes I've been to Taiwan.
Motorman55
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I know the difference.
Y00PER
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True, but that also means you aren't supporting Chinese manufactured tools as well.
Fluelikesymptoms
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Chinese junk marked made in china seems to be a slight step above the chinese junk not marked at all.
It's almost like they know its junk and are ashamed.
OR
It's an american company who outsourced their products to china and have no honor in stamping "betrayed the public" right next to their brand name.
reader2580
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The manufacturers of the really crappy Chinese tools likely don’t have to worry about returns. The importer gets the tools cheap enough they are likely to just eat any returns.
I have seen packaging recently that has no COO marked on it. I carefully looked on every side of the package and nothing about COO. You know it isn’t made in the USA.
I have seen packaging recently that has no COO marked on it. I carefully looked on every side of the package and nothing about COO. You know it isn’t made in the USA.
WittHay
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The majority of tools I see, dont have packaging. Tools made in Germany, Japan. Canada and the US for the most part have the COO on the tool itself.
Even respected Taiwan tool companys like Toptul do not put the COO on their tools.. It cant be just just a US marketing thing to keep the Taiwan COO off the tool like Mac, OTC and GearWrench does.
Has to be a cultural or political reasons also. Cant see why made in Taiwan on the tool would be a problem for somebody in England, Australia or Canada. There isnt a lot of hand tools manufactured in these 3 countries any more.
Even respected Taiwan tool companys like Toptul do not put the COO on their tools.. It cant be just just a US marketing thing to keep the Taiwan COO off the tool like Mac, OTC and GearWrench does.
Has to be a cultural or political reasons also. Cant see why made in Taiwan on the tool would be a problem for somebody in England, Australia or Canada. There isnt a lot of hand tools manufactured in these 3 countries any more.
When looking for a decent tool, first rule is to see if it made in China. If it says "China" on the tool/package, put it back on the shelf and move on.
I can take Taiwan. For example: Right now I am looking for some good punches (pin, roll, solid, transfer). It's very hard to find one that is good and not ridiculously expensive. I was thinking Wilde (US made, price almost tolerable), but then another member said they weren't that great. At this point I'm just going to get the cheapest ones I can find that are not Made-In-China. Was going to just run by HF, but theirs are Chinese (some stuff there is Taiwan).
I can take Taiwan. For example: Right now I am looking for some good punches (pin, roll, solid, transfer). It's very hard to find one that is good and not ridiculously expensive. I was thinking Wilde (US made, price almost tolerable), but then another member said they weren't that great. At this point I'm just going to get the cheapest ones I can find that are not Made-In-China. Was going to just run by HF, but theirs are Chinese (some stuff there is Taiwan).
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BarryWells
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I guess no Makita, Metabo/Hitachi or Milwaukee for you eh. Better look inside the 'puter you post this tripe on and take pappys shotgun and shoot every appliance in the house.Go ahead and burn the house down. The switches , cables and drywall are probably Red Evil too.
I have an older set of "Pittsburg" polished chrome combination wrenches that have "CHINA" boldly marked on them.
Actually, quite good quality, beat on them pretty hard, including using cheaters. Chrome barely scratched, with a tough backhoe repair job.
Apparently they have learned what to not stamp on the tools.
Actually, quite good quality, beat on them pretty hard, including using cheaters. Chrome barely scratched, with a tough backhoe repair job.
Apparently they have learned what to not stamp on the tools.
John in OH
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Meh. Much ado about nothing. As long as the COO is on the packaging so I can evaluate the purchase, then I sure don't care if COO is stamped on the tool.
Many companies other than China fail to stamp their tools ... Mexico, Taiwan, India ... I've even seen German and British tools that are unstamped.
And let's be honest ... the "made in USA" is not NECESSARILY a guarantee of quality. I've bought a few "made in USA" tools over the years that were junk.
Many companies other than China fail to stamp their tools ... Mexico, Taiwan, India ... I've even seen German and British tools that are unstamped.
And let's be honest ... the "made in USA" is not NECESSARILY a guarantee of quality. I've bought a few "made in USA" tools over the years that were junk.
Snap_cap
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Snap_cap
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chad w
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I thought it quite funny when Walmsrt( Everones buddy Sam) finally got nailed for their Chinese goodies with US inc stamps all over the place they quickly hand to replace with things like NASCAR to keep the crowd base coming.
Harbot freight really did it right with Fancy Names like Pittsbutg and Chicago which are soled as " quality USA tools" because the South Americans don't real labels.
OTOH a Jay Leno Walk-Questionnaire with the question ' where are Milwaukee and chicago Electric tools etc made" would be fun..
Reminds me of the good ol days when a ***** would buy a Pinto, Vega or a Pacer over
" Jap ****".......little did they know. My cousin still has my 75 Celica I bought new.Now it's had a couple paint jobs, interiors, trannny, engine rebuild but it's still a sharp lil car that corners like a GP car and gives a chirp when banging second......at 25 plus MPG
Now the South Koreans are eating everyone alive with all sorts of quality offerings.
I dont think, with grammar like that, that you should be calling people "morons".
Millions of Americans that work in manufacturing think it's a little more than much Ado about nothing.
John in OH
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Well, I agree, but that wasn't my point. I am just saying that as long as the COO is on the PACKAGING, then I can determine whether or not I want to buy the item. It doesn't matter whether or not the COO is on the actual tool.
measuredtwice
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Not really. Since most shopping is done online and most web stores don't show the COO on the packaging, the COO on the packaging doesn't help.
That is a different issue if the web stores doesn't show COO in this listing...
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finn
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It’s pretty easy to ask the vendor what the coo is, if that is of importance to you.
Why make another regulation requiring the tool be stamped with coo? More proponents of big government and more regulation when it suits their purposes, I guess.
Most people don’t care what the coo is, anyway. They just want utility and bang for the buck.
That's a law they've been skirting for years. Like the box of $1.99 adjustable wrenches on the bottom shelf at s Wal Mart. No coo on the box or tool. Because it was on the bulk packaging.
Now obviously we know they are imports but still.
WittHay
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The majority of tools not sold at retail box store level do not have packaging on them . They are on wall boards, sold on tool trucks and are in bulk packaging at tool and industrial supply stores.
Why isnt Taiwan or China capable of putting the COO on their tools?. OTC for years made tie rod separators and pullers with USA on them. The same tools are now made in Taiwan and dont have the COO on them, Why not? Proto built stork type pliers have USA on them, the similar looking Chinese made Mac pliers dont have the COO on them
If a screwdriver manufacturer in Canada can put the COO on a Craftsman screwdriver, I think a manufacturer in Asia should be able print Taiwan or China on the current Craftsman screwdrivers.
COO is extremely important to anyone in business that depends on products to make a living. Whether that is tools, parts, supplies, equipment or vehicles
Why isnt Taiwan or China capable of putting the COO on their tools?. OTC for years made tie rod separators and pullers with USA on them. The same tools are now made in Taiwan and dont have the COO on them, Why not? Proto built stork type pliers have USA on them, the similar looking Chinese made Mac pliers dont have the COO on them
If a screwdriver manufacturer in Canada can put the COO on a Craftsman screwdriver, I think a manufacturer in Asia should be able print Taiwan or China on the current Craftsman screwdrivers.
COO is extremely important to anyone in business that depends on products to make a living. Whether that is tools, parts, supplies, equipment or vehicles
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measuredtwice
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I was a direct response to the quote-- the box isn't going to help most online shoppers. If the law is set up for failure from the beginning then it is not a good law.
It's a mess asking the seller for the COO of a couple products and very time consuming if it's a long list of items that you need to order. Asking about 40-200 items would take a lot of time. And the information isn't always accurate.
The burden should not be on the buyer. Hiding the COO doesn't benefit the consumer or American manufacturers.
Those who don't care about COO wouldn't read this topic. A lot more folks are selling imports than are manufacturing products in the USA. Those folks are enjoying the profits from loop holes in the law and uninformed consumers.