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Williams USA vs Snap-on sockets?

speed88

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Thought I would post some pictures showing how similar Williams USA made sockets are in comparison to Snap-on sockets. The Snap-on sockets are metric and the Williams are sae. I figured I go cheaper on the sae set but to my surprise they are almost identical to the SO set. Will definitely be getting more Williams sockets in the future.

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Makes me want to replace my Craftsman with Williams. I have Williams 1/2 deep impacts and they are really nice.
 

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Unlike SO, the Williams metric sockets do not have the knurling on the drive end to easily identify them as metric. They look just like the SAE.
 

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They're the same socket, different markings. I'd even go so far to say that Williams USA sockets are the best sockets you can buy for the money, but that would be too much of a controversial statement, so I better not say that.
 

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Are the Williams sockets made in the USA? The ones I've seen are Taiwan made but still very good.
 

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They have both a Taiwan and US line. I think Williams USA sockets are made in the same plant as snap on. Look at the name being stamped on these sockets at 1:45

 
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It doesn't show.. wonder if it is williams

If you look carefully on the sockets being roll marked you can see the letters "Wi"

Some have said Snap ON seem to have a better finish than Williams, maybe the OP can comment.
 
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I have both Williams and SO sockets. My impact stocket sets (SAE and metric) at work are both Willaims USA and I love them. I have a slightly different feeling about the chrome Williams USA sockets. I have a few of them and have found that the metal seems to be a little soft and has deformed more than the SO ones that I have used. They still work fine, but have the appearance of being older and used more than the SO ones. I have never paid full price for a SO socket set, I’ve only bought when there were BOGO deals, or found sets on eBay. For me, the higher cost of SO is worth it because of the ease of warranty (which I have had to use a few times). I think if I didn’t have access to a SO truck that I’d probably be more apt to purchase Williams.
 
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If you look carefully on the sockets being roll marked you can see the letters "Wi"

Some have said Snap ON seem to have a better finish than Williams, maybe the OP can comment.

To tell you the truth the finish on them look identical. The machining/broaching also look identical between the sockets.
 
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I have both Williams and SO sockets. My impact stocket sets (SAE and metric) at work are both Willaims USA and I love them. I have a slightly different feeling about the chrome Williams USA sockets. I have a few of them and have found that the metal seems to be a little soft and has deformed more than the SO ones that I have used. They still work fine, but have the appearance of being older and used more than the SO ones. I have never paid full price for a SO socket set, I’ve only bought when there were BOGO deals, or found sets on eBay. For me, the higher cost of SO is worth it because of the ease of warranty (which I have had to use a few times). I think if I didn’t have access to a SO truck that I’d probably be more apt to purchase Williams.

Yeah that’s what what I was wounding? Maybe they use a deferent type of steel or heat treating process then SO.
 

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Been discussed here for years. Same sockets, different stampings, Snappys get an extra polish supposedly (more accepted to keep the fanboys happy :D).

My Williams USA 1/4" deep set had a Snap-on socket on the rail. Owned Snap-on chromes, but sold them of and switched to Williams for the price.

Impacts are the same, just different stampings between brands, otherwise identical sockets.
 

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Been discussed here for years. Same sockets, different stampings, Snappys get an extra polish supposedly (more accepted to keep the fanboys happy :D).

My Williams USA 1/4" deep set had a Snap-on socket on the rail. Owned Snap-on chromes, but sold them of and switched to Williams for the price.

Impacts are the same, just different stampings between brands, otherwise identical sockets.

Extra polishing, more time in the chrome baths, and better bin sorting for heat treating is what was stated by a Williams retailer (toolsdelivered?). He had literally nothing to gain by lying and it would of benefitted him to claim they were identical so take it for what its worth. That said chrome sockets off the truck are one of the most grossly overpriced products so i'd take Williams or SK any day.
 

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Extra polishing, more time in the chrome baths, and better bin sorting for heat treating is what was stated by a Williams retailer (toolsdelivered?). He had literally nothing to gain by lying and it would of benefitted him to claim they were identical so take it for what its worth. That said chrome sockets off the truck are one of the most grossly overpriced products so i'd take Williams or SK any day.

Better bin sorting for heat treating? You mean the Snap-on sockets are standing up neatly while the Williams sockets are thrown in a pile?
 
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Better bin sorting for heat treating? You mean the Snap-on sockets are standing up neatly while the Williams sockets are thrown in a pile?

Supposedly they keep the batch levels smaller or some such thing. I personally wouldn't be shocked if there was no difference but given one product is 3-4x as much i'd be disappointed in them too.
 
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Where did you purchase the USA williams sockets? Forgive me if you already put it in the post and I missed it... I saw one online store that sold both Taiwanese and USA sockets from Williams. I might be interested in a set of these for the home box
 

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Where did you purchase the USA williams sockets? Forgive me if you already put it in the post and I missed it... I saw one online store that sold both Taiwanese and USA sockets from Williams. I might be interested in a set of these for the home box

Can't speak for the OP but I have purchased from http://www.toolsdelivered.com/ and had good luck and good prices.

This has really got me thinking about buying some Williams chrome to replace my CM made in the US. Not a must but not crazy expensive either. Maybe start out with the 3/8. hmmm......what to do?
 

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Bummer. I was looking for deep metric 1/2 drive sockets and they only make them in Taiwan COO
 

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Can't speak for the OP but I have purchased from http://www.toolsdelivered.com/ and had good luck and good prices.

This has really got me thinking about buying some Williams chrome to replace my CM made in the US. Not a must but not crazy expensive either. Maybe start out with the 3/8. hmmm......what to do?

For USA made sockets, there really isn't a better socket out there for the money.
 

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Yeah. that set skips a lot of sizes: NO 20, 23, 24, 25, 26, 28, or 29. Some may need or require these sizes.
In all my experience wrenching... out of your list of sizes, Ive only used a 24mm. I dont know why they even make those other sizes honestly.
Ive used 20mm WRENCHES on GM fuel filter but thats the only 20mm ive seen
 

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Where do you get Williams warrantied in the unlikely event they fail? I have a few less used formats of sockets and would like to get Williams over Bluepoint for those.
 

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Where do you get Williams warrantied in the unlikely event they fail? I have a few less used formats of sockets and would like to get Williams over Bluepoint for those.
toolsdelivered web site says that after 30 days, contact the manufacturer. I assume that means a phone call to Snap-on for what to do.
 

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Yeah that’s what what I was wounding? Maybe they use a deferent type of steel or heat treating process then SO.

Been discussed here for years. Same sockets, different stampings, Snappys get an extra polish supposedly (more accepted to keep the fanboys happy :D).

My Williams USA 1/4" deep set had a Snap-on socket on the rail. Owned Snap-on chromes, but sold them of and switched to Williams for the price.

Impacts are the same, just different stampings between brands, otherwise identical sockets.

I suspect it’s much like the Silver Eagle (Matco)/Husky sockets...they’re the same, with double stamping sockets as proof.
 

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Supposedly they keep the batch levels smaller or some such thing. I personally wouldn't be shocked if there was no difference but given one product is 3-4x as much i'd be disappointed in them too.

Off the top of my head I would expect their heat treating process to largely be controlled well enough to maintain heat treatment consistency regardless of batch size. I could see there being a difference in the finishing work, which also tends to add a fair bit of cost to a product. It starts to get exponentially harder to reach certain levels of surface finish.
 

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I really like my Williams wrenches and want to buy some 12pt sockets from them to fill out my toolbox. They dont make USA production 1/4 and 3/8 deeps. Which makes me sad. They do have 12pt MIUSA deeps in 1/2dr but I may just get Carlyle so they all match. Sad that my OCD is so strong. Any other manufacturers use the full length taper like Williams USA and Carlyle?
 

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I can tell you from my historical research that by the time Williams Hand Tools was acquired by Snap On, they were nothing more than a paper company. Physical assets were liquidated during bankruptcies (yes, plural). They essentially bought the rights to the name and all the intellectual property. So there's nothing being made in any remaining Williams plant.

From what I've seen, some of the tools like the OP's sockets are indeed identical. When you think about manufacturing processes, it would actually cost more money to somehow differentiate what is otherwise an identical item cut from the same wire stick (or they're going to keep two different inventories of metal stock and two different finishing facilities to ultimately produce a virtually identical product? Not.). I believe the stories about differences in handling and finishes, alloy, hardness, etc etc yada yada, are just that--stories. Descriptions of distinctions in the invisible tool spirit realm. Yes, and if the Williams dealer want to keep his dealership, he better well regurgitate the party line.

Given the price difference, I know how hard it must be for Snap On buyers to accept the possibility they might be the same tools. Like the old cartoons where the character's head transforms into the lollipop sucker upon realizing what's really going on. There MUST BE something different about them. There's just gotta be something different. There just has to be.....

Maybe the Snap On marked tools are forged in a secret underground bunker and are polished with the finest silk cloths on the laps of Polynesian virgins. It's gotta be something...right?
 
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