Wilton 1780 Vise Pin Removal

[taongisurvivor]

I just purchased a Wilton 1780 Vise, date 1298, and I am replacing some missing / broken jaws and giving the girl a new lube job. I am attempting to remove the end cap pins and wondering if there are replacement pins sold. The rest of the vise is in good condition and while the pins are moving they don't seem to line up with one another so the geometry of driving one into the other looks problematic. I can, however, cut the pins off as I drive them in, then just replace them. I have looked on Ebay for replacement pins and none are listed. Any other alternatives or just Keep Cam and Carry on with driving them into one another and hope the geometry takes care of itself??

 

[drivesitfar]

TS: i'm not sure if your Wilton has a single pin or double pin, but instead of starting a new thread you might want to post your questions over on the vise repair 101 thread in vintage tools and here's the link.

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252830

good luck

also welcome to GJ and congrats on finding a nice BIG WILTON.

 

[1982fxr]

Leave them alone if you don’t need to pull them....many a broken rear end would agree...

 

[A E Numan]

Drill them, tap them and pull them out with a slide hammer.

 

[Mohawk Dave]

Drill them, tap them and pull them out with a slide hammer.

They're like 3/16".... (not saying it can't be done,) but have you done this?

Seems like the threads would just rip out when using the slide hammer...

 

[drivesitfar]

DAVE: until AE comes back to maybe post a few pictures of his 6 inch Wilton Tradesman that he pulled the old pins and tapped and put in threaded pins so he can remove with an Allen wrench i thought i'd mention that several of the members have also done this.

check out the Vise Repair 101 thread in vintage tools section which is getting a bit long now, but there are several good pictures and posts of members fixing the worst part of a Wilton bullet's design so it's more user friendly.

if you can't find any posts or pictures just ask again if you'd like to know and i'll try to find some or maybe somebody else has pictures saved that did this.

 

[Hiatt1991]

I got some wilton vise pins from Dave at wiltonvisepart.net. He included them when I emailed him about them when I ordered a set of new jaws for my C-1.

 

[A E Numan]

drill the pins, then tap yard them out with slide hammer. It's no big deal.

 

[drivesitfar]

AE: thanks for the pictures and explination

ALL: other members have put in screws and ground off the threads on the ends of them to act like a pin so they can just screw them in and out instead of using a tool like AE just showed.

 

[Htscheg]

Ill be strippin mine down soon and getting her ready for the spring!!!! Thank you Mr Drive!!!

 

[drivesitfar]

HT: you're very welcome. also the pins are simple for some of the guys that take apart a wilton bullet almost daily, but for most of us it's a challenge so take your time.

ALL: the steps to take the pins out until another member posts up more pictures and a better step by step process are as follows:

1) pull out dynamic jaw all the way and even though it usually sits on the shelf a bit after unscrewed don't drop it

2) take a wood dowel smaller than the size of the main screw and about a foot long so it will slide through the vise nut and tap out the dust cover. i guess in some cases the part holding the dust cover will come off with it which would make it easier.

3) now you can take your time taking a punch to punch either a single pin out through or punching the two pins into each other to free up the vise nut from the piece on the back that the dust cover was sitting in.

4) taking the part out that holds the pins can ususlly be a PITA so maybe other members have a method the like. i'd spray with Kroil and let sit for a day or two and maybe try to take it off with my hands, but i know there are better ways.

5) then the vise nut is out and the the rest of the take down is just screws. the jaw's screws are sometimes not easy so if damaged there are several ideas on the vise repair 101 thread or just ask. i haven't taken one apart for a few years so i'm not the one to ask, but i certainly know a few members that do this all the time

6) when in doubt don't hit your old cast iron vises with a bigger hammer and ask for help so thinks like this doesn't happen.

7) if i was keeping the Wilton i'd definitely make a modified screw to replace the pins holding the vise nut in place so i could do a cleaning and re greasing if I needed to again.

cheers

 

[A E Numan]

This was the end result.

 

[drivesitfar]

AE: do you still own that old Wilton Tradesman or did you sell it once you bought my old C2? if you still own it did you ever get a Snap On badge for it and if not i think the guys on the big vise thread were showing some off this last week or maybe it was the week before if you need one.

nice upgrade and maybe Wilton should send them out of the factory like that. did you do that same upgrade on the C2 or leave it alone since it only needed a little cleaning?

 

[G-ManBart]

Not to start an argument, but I can't really agree with some of what's being posted here.

Taking the rear pins out of a Wilton is usually extremely easy, and far less complicated than people are making it sound. I've restored around 100 Wiltons and only had real problems getting the pins out of one, and it was a 155lb 600S that sat rusted closed for years.

All you usually need is a couple of allen keys and a bit of shim stock. I wrote an article about restoring a vise, and included a link to a short video showing you have to get the pins out with the allen key method. After getting the dust cap out, it usually takes about a minute to get the two pins free. The one thing I suggest is securing the vise to your bench somehow so that it doesn't move around while you're trying to get the pins out...the movement wastes energy that you're putting into the allen key.

http://mivise.com/vise-restoration-process/

I would add that you don't want to buy OEM Wilton jaws for any Tradesman. The jaws Wilton uses and sells are sintered metal (compressed powder) and they crack, chip and fail very easily. That's why so many Tradesman show up with broken jaws. Do yourself a favor and order a set of tool steel jaws from Kevin at Wiltonviseparts.net and you likely won't have to replace them in your lifetime.

 

[A E Numan]

G-ManBart: What a slick way to do that! I'll never drill and tap one again without trying that first. Thank You.

drives: Yes I still have the Tradesman, when I tried and failed to sell it I took that as a sign that I needed to keep it and "find" more vises! so now I have a small collection of 10 or 12 vise's, The C2 is still holding the corner of my bench down. Thank's to you!

 

[Davefr]

Not to start an argument, but I can't really agree with some of what's being posted here.

Taking the rear pins out of a Wilton is usually extremely easy, and far less complicated than people are making it sound. I've restored around 100 Wiltons and only had real problems getting the pins out of one, and it was a 155lb 600S that sat rusted closed for years.

All you usually need is a couple of allen keys and a bit of shim stock. I wrote an article about restoring a vise, and included a link to a short video showing you have to get the pins out with the allen key method. After getting the dust cap out, it usually takes about a minute to get the two pins free. The one thing I suggest is securing the vise to your bench somehow so that it doesn't move around while you're trying to get the pins out...the movement wastes energy that you're putting into the allen key.

http://mivise.com/vise-restoration-process/

I would add that you don't want to buy OEM Wilton jaws for any Tradesman. The jaws Wilton uses and sells are sintered metal (compressed powder) and they crack, chip and fail very easily. That's why so many Tradesman show up with broken jaws. Do yourself a favor and order a set of tool steel jaws from Kevin at Wiltonviseparts.net and you likely won't have to replace them in your lifetime.

Thanks for sharing. That looks like a great method!!

 

[dumper]

sorry to derail, but is there a way to visually tell if the jaws on my recently acquired Tradesman are sintered or non-sintered? They appear to be recent replaced. Thanks.