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csmitty

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Ok. Looking to see if someone can give me a hand here. Trying to figure out what this type of window trim/framing? is called. Not so much the trim on the wall or the openings, but the horizontal part that extends from the wall edge in to the window.

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I was thinking window box but google search just comes up with flower boxes. Any thoughts? I'm way more fluent in metal.

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newer windows have clips that staple to the plywood jam and clip into grooves on the window frame. trim out as usual...
 
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Thanks, I'm familiar with with the window parts just didn't think of calling it a jamb or sill extension. Wasn't sure if it was a specific design, for example bay window or something like that. I've found a few other images using those search terms.

My wife bought our townhouse before we meet (same as the picture above, just different unit) and there is water intrusion in the window area, the extended jamb just appears to be sheet rock as its been sagging for a while. Haven't investigated it to far yet but trying to get an idea of best practices for this type of window casing.
 

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sorry meant "jamb"....sill extentions are for when the jamb is too short, like using a window meant for 2x4 walls with 2x6 walls instead, or as in that really deep inset picture...at least that's how it was explained to me when I built my house...
 

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What you show in your picture is called wainscoting, and it looks like the windows were added later as the wainscoting isn't evenly spaced. The type of moulding used in the top horizontal is more of a baseboard moulding and was more common at the bottom than at the top, usually in houses with wood floors and before wall to wall carpets became the rage.
 
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What you show in your picture is called wainscoting, and it looks like the windows were added later as the wainscoting isn't evenly spaced. The type of moulding used in the top horizontal is more of a baseboard moulding and was more common at the bottom than at the top, usually in houses with wood floors and before wall to wall carpets became the rage.

It wasn't really the wainscoting I was trying to get info on but more the window basics or you could call it a large reveal I guess.

But yes I did notice it was off, especially since it was added after the windows as all of the townhomes in this complex are the same as far as the windows go.
Not sure why they did it that way. I just didnt have a picture of ours so found a listing for one in the complex.
 

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It's you window sill that goes at the bottom

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If you are talking abut the wainscoting, it's called the "cap"

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I agree with the terminology, but looking at the picture he posted it looks like the windows were put in, furred out with what looks like drywall, then just a wide moulding put in place around the sides to try to match with the abortion of a wainscot.
 
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Water intrusion is almost certainly caused by improper (or total lack thereof) flashing on top horizontal portion of exterior of window. Improper installation along with no caulking is other culprit.

Get on ladder outside and start poking around. I'm guessing you'll find your problem in short order.
 

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I would still call it a "sill."
But a deep, and site made, one.
And those are very thick walls!
 

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It located where normally a jamb extension would be as arsco said-------not sure if there's another name for just because it's much wider. :S
 
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Water intrusion is almost certainly caused by improper (or total lack thereof) flashing on top horizontal portion of exterior of window. Improper installation along with no caulking is other culprit.

Get on ladder outside and start poking around. I'm guessing you'll find your problem in short order.

I was investigating a bit more yesterday evening and cut some inspection holes (forgot pics) however, the "extended sill" runs underneath the window to the outside. I was able to take a small carpenters square and from the inside, run it under the window and hit the vertical section of the flashing on the outside. Not to mention could feel all the cold air rushing under the window and into the wall gaps. Which explains why the walls are always so cold.

So the caulking on the horizontal part of the exterior flashing has broken down or was shoddily applied leaving gaps which allowed water to come in, hit the drywall, and compromise it so that it would eventually sag, allowing more to come under when the seal between the drywall and the bottom of the window failed.

In one of the holes I cut I can see one side of the "framing" for the window. Or atleast I assume thats what it is. THe joint where the bottom meets the side as separated. I can see the rusty nail that went in through the bottom. Assuming moisture has started rusting it away and it lost its hold. Can also see damp spots on the plywood below for the floor below that area.

Just a big mess in general. I'll take some pics of what I've found and post them this evening. Probably won't cut more out as its going to be in the teens tonight and trying to keep out as much as possible.
 
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I would still call it a "sill."
But a deep, and site made, one.
And those are very thick walls!

Yea, I don't really understand the walls really. To me it just looks like wasted space. Depending on what I find I was thinking about turning part of it into a built in bookshelf. But we also want to sell soon so we'll see.

Actually I think its because of the roof slant. And making the walls square vs angled so the just went straight down from where the ceiling hit the roof. Here's the outside. Not ours, but they all look the same.
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I did a google image search for "deep window jamb" and it came up with images similar to your situation.
The style roof in the center unit is commonly called "mansard" if that helps in your research.
 

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If you were in Canada . . . it'd be time to call Mike Holmes !!! :D

Most certainly you have **** installation . . . plain and simple.

Get a pro to take a look at it. You'll likely need to remove window and re-install properly after flashing and membranes are implemented outdoors to eliminate any chance of water intrusion.
 
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If you were in Canada . . . it'd be time to call Mike Holmes !!! :D

Most certainly you have **** installation . . . plain and simple.

Get a pro to take a look at it. You'll likely need to remove window and re-install properly after flashing and membranes are implemented outdoors to eliminate any chance of water intrusion.

I agree, Not sure how any of this install makes sense. It was done 5 years ago right after she got the place and wasn't there when they did them.

Big this is figuring out what the association is responsible for. The wording is a bit tricky. Also worried that they could come with they weren't properly installed causing the damage. But I'm also pretty sure she went with a association recommended installer. Guess we'll see.

Are there any good home improvement websites similar to GJ where all they talk about is home stuff? Might be a good place to poke around.
 

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Its just a box made with 1x material.

I make those like I would make a jamb. You could use biscuits but I only use 3-4 regular 2-2 1/2 screws and titebond 3.
Usually side dominant.
I put screws around the perimeter of the window 1" from the window face every 6" as shims, that way the box "slips in". Then I shim around it minding diagonals to check for square, level and plumb and I use GRK 3" reverse thread head trim screws to adjust.

At the bottom, I go crazy with shims and PL because people will put all kinds of heavy things and even sit/stand on them.

That style doesnt always have a sill.

Dont forget to prime/seal end geain and al bare wood. Specially if in contact to clad/vinyl. Condensation.
 
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Its just a box made with 1x material.

I make those like I would make a jamb. You could use biscuits but I only use 3-4 regular 2-2 1/2 screws and titebond 3.
Usually side dominant.
I put screws around the perimeter of the window 1" from the window face every 6" as shims, that way the box "slips in". Then I shim around it minding diagonals to check for square, level and plumb and I use GRK 3" reverse thread head trim screws to adjust.

At the bottom, I go crazy with shims and PL because people will put all kinds of heavy things and even sit/stand on them.

That style doesnt always have a sill.

Dont forget to prime/seal end geain and al bare wood. Specially if in contact to clad/vinyl. Condensation.

Thanks for the reply. So your saying that box is what is set back from window? I'm assuming so but wanted to make sure. Ours there is definitely no wood. I'll post pics in a sec.

What your saying makes sense though and a more substantial way of doing it. Heck the bottom even not going shim crazy would be better than what we have now. I know she's put stuff on them and people have probably even sat in them. And we we have a cat that likes to sleep in them.
 
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Here's the pics.

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Looking through the hole towards the window.

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Tilted up a bit.
The sides of the window are attached to the dry wall and it seems shimmed with drywall as well.
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