wire nut question
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n8n
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I'd check with the mfgr., probably Buchanan or Ideal.
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zmaxmotorsports
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planecrazy29
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The blue gorilla nuts may or may not be suitable. There is no info on their Web site. The blue ideal wing nuts are fine.
http://www.idealind.com/media/pdfs/products/references/ideal_ul_listed_combinations.pdf
http://www.idealind.com/media/pdfs/products/references/ideal_ul_listed_combinations.pdf
zmaxmotorsports
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Youll be fine with 3 #8s in a split bolt,just check the size when you buy them.
Rookie2
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http://www.idealind.com/media/pdfs/products/references/ideal_ul_listed_combinations.pdf
look at page 5 , not 100% sure WTF model 454 is.
look at page 5 , not 100% sure WTF model 454 is.
alfredeneuman
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It's one of these:
A regular Ideal Blue Wingnut like the ones they sell at Home Depot
This is much better then a split bolt.
Rookie2
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man i think i need a pipe wrench to turn that sucker !
zmaxmotorsports
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It's one of these:
A regular Ideal Blue Wingnut like the ones they sell at Home Depot
This is much better then a split bolt.
Since when is that much better than a split bolt?Ever spend much time around a heavy commercial/industrial wiring job site?
ddawg16
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Any time you get below #8, it's time to start thinking split bolt.
They do make some good wire nuts made for what you want, the pic above is not one of them.
When working with stranded THHN, wire nuts do work well is installed properly. But for 8 and larger? I'd never go more than 2 wires under that nut. Your big problem is getting good contact on all wires.
If you pull up the manfg specs, they will tell you have many wires of each size it's rated for. If there is no UL rating for them....return them.
They do make some good wire nuts made for what you want, the pic above is not one of them.
When working with stranded THHN, wire nuts do work well is installed properly. But for 8 and larger? I'd never go more than 2 wires under that nut. Your big problem is getting good contact on all wires.
If you pull up the manfg specs, they will tell you have many wires of each size it's rated for. If there is no UL rating for them....return them.
alfredeneuman
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Ever spend much time around a heavy commercial/industrial wiring job site?
Only 40+ years
zmaxmotorsports
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alfredeneuman
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I used split bolts above #6 until the Polaris taps came along.
But really #8??
Unless it was a motor, I'd rather have the wire nut
But really #8??
Unless it was a motor, I'd rather have the wire nut
rlitman
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I'll put two #6 stranded together with a wire nut. I use split bolts for ground connections. Polaris lugs FTW elsewhere.
Agreed, the wire nuts pictured are not that great.
Anyway, you're right, the manufacturer's specs will list EVERY possibly allowed configuration of wires for that specific nut. Look in the chart, and if it allows for three #8, the go ahead. If not, then stop right there.
ddawg16
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I used split bolts above #6 until the Polaris taps came along.
But really #8??
Unless it was a motor, I'd rather have the wire nut
And only 2 wires....not 3
TheEquineFencer
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zmaxmotorsports
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according to burndy the ks and ks3 series are rated for 3 wires,Ive never had an inspector complain about it.
alfredeneuman
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Use split bolts instead,wrap with rubber tape then super 33.
The split bolt is pretty much a thing of the past. The Polaris Connectors have taken the place of them. They don't require insulation, don't need to be taped, and the installation saves some real labor costs.
The real ***** is when you go to take the tape off the split bolts, it leave a sticky mess.
Do you still carry a soldering iron with you to solder and then tape wires together?
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zmaxmotorsports
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The split bolt is pretty much a thing of the past. The Polaris Connectors have taken the place of them. They don't require insulation, don't need to be taped, and the installation saves some real labor costs.
The real ***** is when you go to take the tape off the split bolts, it leave a sticky mess.
Do you still carry a soldering iron with you to solder and then tape wires together?
I still solder lots of wires,is there a problem with that too?
Put the 1st wrap of super 33 on backwards/then rubber then 33 the regular way.
Putting the first wrap on backwards keeps tape from sticking after you slice it with a utilitie knife,then just peel it off.
alfredeneuman
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I still solder lots of wires,is there a problem with that too?
As long as you still have some friction tape left it's OK, I guess. LMAO!
Unfortunately, the trick with the backwards tape as the first wrap isn't practiced by everyone.
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zmaxmotorsports
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As long as you still have some friction tape left it's OK, I guess. LMAO!
Unfortunately, the trick with the backwards tape as the first wrap isn't practiced by everyone.
What in the world is that mess?
Next time I go to solder up a bunch of wires Ill take a picture of a slightly better job than that.
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zmaxmotorsports
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The split bolt is pretty much a thing of the past. The Polaris Connectors have taken the place of them. They don't require insulation, don't need to be taped, and the installation saves some real labor costs.
The real ***** is when you go to take the tape off the split bolts, it leave a sticky mess.
Do you still carry a soldering iron with you to solder and then tape wires together?
How much space does a Polaris burn up inside of a junction box compared to a split bolt?
rlitman
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How much space does a Polaris burn up inside of a junction box compared to a split bolt?
While the split bolted connection itself is SLIGHTLY smaller than a Polaris, once you've added sufficient tape to the split bolt, the Polaris takes up less space in the box.
alfredeneuman
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Here's the propaganda page for the Polaris Connectors:
http://www.nsiindustries.com/catalog/nsiproducts/polaris™-insulated-mechanical-connectors
http://www.nsiindustries.com/catalog/nsiproducts/polaris™-insulated-mechanical-connectors
teamextreme
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Great tip! Wish I had heard that one years ago.Put the 1st wrap of super 33 on backwards/then rubber then 33 the regular way. Putting the first wrap on backwards keeps tape from sticking after you slice it with a utilitie knife,then just peel it off.