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wire pulling & fishing tools; electricians & vdv please help with advice

cheechi

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At several different points and with several different crews I have done wire fishing/pulling work. I've never been in charge and other than the basics (some guys don't even bring a drill or jab knife) I have rarely supplied much of the tools.

The last guy that I have done side work for that had a full kit has now retired. If I do any others it's up to me to be prepared with all the tools and supplies. My background is in IT and so while i'm not typically going to be doing any actual electrical work, I plan to make a kit that i can subtract most of the VDV tools and go to a family or friend's house if they need a new outlet wired.

I have the basics

(pretty much one of everything on this page & this page)

about 100' of Klein flex glow rods and about 60' of low flex orange rods
some (not the full kit but most of the basics like hook & eye ends) 'tackle' for the rods.
100' steel fish tape
long augur bits of all sizes
spade bits
step drills
typical bi metal (Lenox kit) hole saws
'wet noodle' magnet wire puller kit. I don't have the fancy roller magnapull.
nifty wire twister drill bit (new toy not tested it thoroughly yet)

for cutting outlets, i have 1 & 2 gang Q-bit oscillator blades that work pretty well, as well as a few different templates with levels and such. generally we buy mud plates, boxes, switch plates, etc per job. I carry a jab knife and of course a regular set of bits but most of the time the Q bits get it done.

I keep a 3 light outlet tester with my regular IT tools just in case.

toner, breaker finder, test pencil in my Veto with my electrical hand tools.

87V if needed in a separate bag with a multi driver, flashlight, and stripper.

I bring the rotary hammer (18v with dust collector) although typically we are working in offices with drywall and drop ceilings, but it has come in handy times people were sure we wouldn't need it.


Planned purchases
the 18" glow rods are really handy size to have so i'm going to get 1 set at least.
I need a new leader for the fish tape
short/ship augur bits. I have a greenlee extension for long flex bits, but i like to stick a ship augur on the end of it for holes bigger than 1/2"
more sizes of carbide hole cutters and knock outs
need a shop vac to bring. I don't usually pull string through conduit, we're not often that lucky so it will be primarily for cleanup.


my day to day bag with most of the hand tools I use for general IT work are in my Veto LT

my electrical hand tools and some test equipment are in Veto Tech XL

most of the small accessories for fishing/pulling/cutting outlets/'anything else that will fit' in Veto Tech Pac. Fish tape sits in the flap meant for AC gage set so that's nice.

Glow rods live in the Klein bag made for that purpose. I wish it had bigger/better pockets for accessories.

bigger/bulky stuff goes in Dewalt Tough system boxes. Right now small one for augur bits and big one for rotary hammer and associated kit.

I won't mess with 220 or 3 phase. I don't carry a clamp meter. If watts or amps are ever in question, we sell surge protectors and battery backups and a kill-a-watt consumer unit to anyone who cares that much. Most of the time I can bench test and sell the appropriate size battery backup unit to the client where that applies.

Main questions:

what else am i missing?

I need a set of walkies. Considering the Cobra ACXT345. Want advice. The weather radio feature is nice but not a deal breaker if a better set doesn't have it. What i'm used to are 20 year old motorolas with nicad batteries. I don't really need miles, but i do need to count on it working through walls any room in any residential or commercial building with enough quality to effectively communicate.

edit: now looking at these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019RIP24E/?tag=atomicindus08-20 ACXT1035R

photos of how you store your fishing tools and especially small accessories to go with them, if you are willing.

long post, lots of words, thanks for any help
 
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I use a fibreglass rod kit for fishing keys out of locked vehicles all the time!!!

"Glow in the dark" would be awesone for me now I know such a thing exists

Thanks for the lesson :)
 
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cheechi

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I assume you have stuff for terminating, testing, and labeling?

Yes I have moved to only cat6 stuff now in the backpack. I keep coax stuff in there too but we don't do bnc cams anymore. I keep a crimp/strip/tester in the main IT bag also. Label maker has its own bag also with different size tapes and such since i use it in multiple places.

good callout thanks.
 

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A few items to add to your list:

-Mason's line for fishing hollow walls.
-A few 6" lengths of 1/4" or 3/8" chain. Tie it to the string and drop in the wall.
-Jet Line to leave as a pull string for future work.
-I mainly use a 50' steel fish tape that has been cut into smaller lengths. 20ft, 10ft, 5ft etc. and a few short 24" lengths with a J hook bent on the end to pull out the string.
-A pair of hemostats
-I store my drill bits in lengths of 1-1/2" pvc plumbing pipe with a cap on one end and a female adapter with a screw plug on the other. 30", 49" and 55" fit my needs.
 

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I have a 12-15 foot length of sash chain. It snakes well and you can pull it in by pulling wires out, and then re-pull your new wires. Or drop it dow a stud space and hook with through an opening. You can pull HARD on it. It's heavy enough to stay put when snaking.

A "Chinese finger" to hook on the endow you tape or rods, that grips a cable.
 

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How about a proper tester. Here is a pic of one by Fluke. If you are unsure about your tool requirements, are you confident in your finished product?
If you can’t prove your work and just because a map test shows you are good doesn’t mean you are handing over a good product.
Do enough half assed jobs and then you can always sell your tools at a discount.
 

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cheechi

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How about a proper tester. Here is a pic of one by Fluke. If you are unsure about your tool requirements, are you confident in your finished product?
If you can’t prove your work and just because a map test shows you are good doesn’t mean you are handing over a good product.
Do enough half assed jobs and then you can always sell your tools at a discount.

Ouch. Yes I own multiple testers, most are Klein but i also do have a Fluke. Not one that fancy but the older one in that series with no colour display.

my focus here was just the tools needed to get the wire installed, that i might not think of because they aren't day-to-day tools for me and because i have in the past only just been part of the crew.
 

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Don’t forget a pair of tin snips. They come in really handy when dealing with metal studs. Along with the mason’s line I made several lead weights. I put a #14 bare wire in a double loop (one to tie the string to and one to tie the wire/cable to) on a spoon and poured melted lead in the spoon. It makes a good solid weight for fishing walls (even if they are insulated). Be care not to boil the lead, it’s really ad to breath the fumes.
 
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No pro here. But I find small ball chain to be useful for dropping into vertical bays. Pick up with a flexible magnet wand.
 
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got the beaded chain covered. i keep another long spool around but rarely have to use it.



stiffer than mason's line and the magnet isn't perfect but i have one of these also.


Don’t forget a pair of tin snips. They come in really handy when dealing with metal studs. Along with the mason’s line I made several lead weights. I put a #14 bare wire in a double loop (one to tie the string to and one to tie the wire/cable to) on a spoon and poured melted lead in the spoon. It makes a good solid weight for fishing walls (even if they are insulated). Be care not to boil the lead, it’s really ad to breath the fumes.


I might have to do that with the tin snips. My buddy's 'tackle box' he did keep several lead fishing weights in it but i don't remember us using any of them.
 

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Some lengths of solid (not stranded) #14 or #12 copper wire come in handy. If you need to fish wire through long lengths of conduit, a mason's string and a vacuum cleaner to pull the string through first will be very useful to pull the wire through.
 
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I didn't know Greenlee made one of those. I have looked at the Klein & LSD both but not bit yet.
 
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I had to look that up because mine are Ideal, but yes I have a few ranging from 3/8 to 3/4.

I do have the greenlee 1/4" quick change flex extension, but as yet no short augurs to work with them. It does ok with paddle bits but not easily controllable. I got a set of the Irwin 3 flute boring bits but they are a bit much for that skinny little greenlee stem. I'm looking for some short augurs to go with it. No matter what, it's a great idea but it's too heavy at the business end; I only use them when absolutely nothing else can reach.
 

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I had to run 125' 4g through 1" conduit around a couple of bends, I got there with a string and a plastic bag tied to the end of it. Went to the end of the line and used my shop vac to **** the string through, worked great.
 

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Sash chain, fiberglass fish, auger bits. I can't remember if you said you had a right angle drill. Jig saw.
 

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I got a 200' Milwaukee non metallic tape with the non metallic head, best tape I've ever used. Replaced my favorite Greenlee stainless, only issue with the Milwaukee is the case is bigger but it goes through everything, even fishes through flex well.
 
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