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Ryano121

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Has anyone used wireless motion or door sensors to tie their house security system into securing the workshop as well. My workshop is about 100' or so from the house, and I was wondering if anyone has tried to secure there shop in this way? Is there any security equipment that is better for this than others? I am interested in the security system that you purchase and install yourself and then pay about $9/month for monitoring.
 
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If you're serious about securing your workshop from intruders, the primary security system should be wired.

Only when physical barriers are in the way that you should entertain using any wireless module(s).

The term hybrid is the apt phrase for those installations which incorporate both wired and wireless contacts, sensors, and other output devices such as wireless sirens, strobes, smoke detectors etc.

Remember all the security in the world will do you no good if the *physical* barriers are not in place.

ie. Strong solid door, door strikes, hinges, 3" screws, locks, window bars, etc.

Major players are Paradox, Honeywell, DSC, Ademco . . .

All of them will monitor the state of all wireless modules for signal strength, battery life, RF jamming, loss of signal, tampering, and of course the state of the sensor open / closed.

If you go with any of the above vendors you will be in good hands, if you decide to purchase 3rd tier vendors your mileage will vary.
 
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Ryano121

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I was actually considering the DSC Alexor for the home and shop combo. According to different websites that sell these, they say wireless range of 1200' vs. most others saying 200'. I thought this might be perfect for the adding the shop as well. A couple window sensors and a motion sensor should be all I need, correct? I do have all of the 1st line of defense in place that you mentioned (except bars on windows). I currently do not have a system in the home either, and figured if I was getting one for the home, I would try to tie in the shop as well.
 

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If you decide to pursue this I would highly suggest that you wire all the zones that you can and use the wireless modules for area's that are inaccessible or require major structural changes to access.

ie. Ripping out dry wall to run cables etc.

The major reason is that all wireless sensors require batteries. Batteries wear, and cost money over the long term.

It is the thought of many that I will simply change the battery when the alarm panel tells me to do so.

Wrong . . . Also, using wireless modules in cold climate area's will cause false alarms, or worse no indications to you.

When the dew hits minus 20 and below most wireless modules will lose 30-50% in response time . . .

This is the difference between knowing, and false security.

BTW: You will notice only one company has one module which is weather rated for out door use in extreme climates.

This should give you some insight as to why that is: Because their performance can not be guaranteed below *** degree's
 
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Ryano121

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Teken, My house is finished and the shop is heated. With that being said, there would be extensive dw work on any of the areas in the house that needed to be hardwired. That is why I am definately going with a wireless system in the house. I was really just wondering if people have had any success with using wireless sensors on an area that is not attached to the house (or not even really that close), without having to have a complete seperate system, seperate monitor, seperate main panel etc. I know that many of the newer systems have many different zones available, and was just checking on wireless distances between several walls, including 2 of them being exterior with insulation (house and shop). Dont really care about the temp rating of the sensor, because in the winter, the shop stays at least 45 F all the time.
I feel like you are really working hard to talk me out of this? Although it is not the most fullproof system, at least I will be awakened inside if someone breaks into the shop outside? And with no main controls out there, there will be no way for anyone to disable it even if they wanted to, without also breaking into the house and searching for the main panel? Am I correct, or am I missing something?
 
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Not trying to sway you away from using wireless simply stating the facts, limitations, and the pitfalls of using said method.

They absolutely have a place: I use them in my own install, but they are not the primary sensors, sirens, pgm's of my alarm system.

They are used as a secondary, tertiary, layers to all the hard wired units in the home. Anyone who is serious about security must always consider the layering approach and having back up's in case there are faults, or a very determined thief!

On Topic: Some of the biggest things that will affect your distance is physical make up of the building. If your home or building is made with metal studs, this will affect your system.

Noise, doesn't matter if its the AC, wireless router, cordless phone, microwave, compressor, welder etc. All of these affect to a extent the performance or the lack thereof of wireless alarm sensors.

Power output: The more power output, the further it will transmit. Now some companies try to improve the distance simply by using a higher frequency to lesson the affects of the above interference(s).

With respect to your last Q: I don't care what brand you decide to buy for the wireless sensors. But, I will simply like to affirm, and high light one key area that you need to be aware of.

Walk Test: If and when you decide to purchase your system perform a walk test. This will show you how the sensor will respond at that moment in time.

It will show you the attack time, this is when the sensor will detect movement either fast or slow.

This attack time will be affected by temperatures: So today its 70'F all appears OK, a 3 degree drop up or down will increase / decrease that same attack time.

Plain English: Someone can walk past the motion sensor, or avoid detection until its too late. Window sensors are the same, you will see that you will be able to open the window *** inches before the alarm trips, one day it will be instant, the next it will be several inches if not one foot completely.


TIPS:

Avoid placing the detector in proximity to the following sources of interference:

reflective surfaces, direct air flow, sources of steam/oil vapor, infrared light sources and objects causing temperature changes. Digital Microwave Detection will be hampered if installed close to vibrating metal surfaces, rotating fans, water flow in plumbing pipes or
electromagnetic sources.

Also note, microwave frequencies can penetrate walls, therefore, avoid installing the unit where it can respond to motion on the other side of the protected area's walls.
 

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BTW: You will notice only one company has one module which is weather rated for out door use in extreme climates.

This should give you some insight as to why that is: Because their performance can not be guaranteed below *** degree's

Out of curiosity: which is the one that is weather-rated for extreme outdoor?
 
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