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Wiring a headlight switch on a modern motorcycle

BlackdogGS

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I would like the option of turning off my lights but I don’t want to chop up my harness. I was thinking of just removing my light fuse and tapping in there. I’d run the wires up to a convenient location and install a switch. I’d add another fuse. Good idea?
 
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If you don't want to touch your wiring at all maybe there is or you can make your own short harness that plugs into the existing headlight socket and has a the same headlight socket for your headlight at the other end with a switch wired in between.

It might also depend what kind of modern motorcycle we are talking about what you can do.
 

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Depends on the bike……..many “modern bikes“ turn the head light during engine cranking. Find that wire or relay that controls headlight on/off and your set.
 

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I would like the option of turning off my lights but I don’t want to chop up my harness. I was thinking of just removing my light fuse and tapping in there. I’d run the wires up to a convenient location and install a switch. I’d add another fuse. Good idea?
No, it's not a good idea.

But if you simply had to do it, you could solder wires to the salvaged ends of a fuse and insert a switch in the current path that way, without touching the harness.
 

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The headlight fuse usually also runs the running lights (if any) up front as well as the tail light.

So that makes a really, really bad idea even worse.

Also, on some modern bikes, the lighting is controlled by the ECU, so there may be other consequences or issues if you just yank the fuse or add a switch at the fuse. Some bikes would throw an error code or even not start the bike, and of course some don't care. Depends on the specific bike.
 

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On my motorcycle I wired a Honda XR 70 kill switch. It mounts to the bars and toggles up and down

Do you have high beam and low beam or just a straight on enduro light when the bike is running?

You can make a pigtail to connect to you bike harness depending on your electrical connectors etc.
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Good Luck
 

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As mentioned, modern bikes typically cut out the light when you are starting the engine, and that's really the only reason to turn them off. I'd leave the wiring as is.
 

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What brand and model of motorcycle? If it uses a standard headlight bulb, you can buy a replacemnt socket and cut into the common wire with a switch. and all 1/4" male spades to plush into the existing bulb socket.
If it is a more complicated motorcycle , dual headlights, odd bulb types it might not work.

Personally, I would just cut into the hot or common wire for the head light, add a male and female spade, run your wires from those spades up to the handlebar with a switch. If and when you want to change it back, just remove the wiring and plug the two spades together.
 

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OP's avatar appears to be some sort of dual-sport Husqvarna... no idea how the charging, electronics and lighting work on these, or if that's the bike in question. And of course no idea why the OP even wants to shut off the lights in the first place. Maybe the idea is to shut off the lighting off-road for some reason?

I do know on bikes with two headlights (older Suzuki V-Strom, for example) some owners install a switch to cut off one of the headlights to free up a few amps for heated clothing. (The charging system on these, and most motorcycles, is not designed to cope with much added load, so you scrounge amps where you can.) This is still an extremely bad idea for street riding where you need to emit every photon possible in order to improve your odds against somnolent steering wheel holders, but it is generally legal; the laws only require one headlight.

The headlight cutout circuit found on some bikes is a simple switch inside the starter switch (and this is failure-prone due to internal arcing), and on others there's a relay somewhere. And of course with many bikes, there's no headlight cutout at all while cranking. The cutout is mostly a way to spec a slightly lighter, cheaper battery.

But it can get even more complicated. My Yamaha FJ-09 has LED headlights, and the driver circuitry is part of the ECU (you can't just feed 12V to the headlight wires and turn it on). The tail and running lights turn on with the key, but the ECU does not turn on the headlight until the cam or crank (I forget which) position sensor reaches a certain speed, indicating the engine is actually running. Similarly, the front turn signals are single filament incandescent bulbs, and are fed reduced voltage by the ECU; when you use the signals, they blink with full voltage. So even though the headlights and tail lights are LED, you can't just swap in any old LED turn signal.

And BMWs use a CAN bus system that makes alterations far more difficult than just monkeying with the wires.
 

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I don't know anything about state safety inspection for motorcycles but am pretty sure doing a mod like that on a car would be illegal.
 
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I had to make the one on my motorcycle permanently on to get it into the US. It was from Germany and owned by a service member there.
 

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Im curious to why you want to shut the lights off. I find that people see me a little better with my lights on
 

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Motorcycles in the US lost the headlight "off" switch with a change in the regulations for 1980. I got pulled over once on a 1978 Suzuki because the headlight switch had been bumped to "off" and I hadn't noticed.

Older bikes with permanent magnet charging systems would actually shut down one phase of the three-phase stator when you turned the headlight off so that the regulator wouldn't overheat trying to dump the excess current.

We never did hear why the OP wants to shut the headlight off. It's the worst idea possible on the street. Or maybe they want to shut off one headlight in a two headlight setup (still an awful idea, but technically legal), or shut it off for off-road riding for some murky reason.

In any case, there are a lot of bike-specific variables in how you'd get this done.
 

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Motorcycles in the US lost the headlight "off" switch with a change in the regulations for 1980. I got pulled over once on a 1978 Suzuki because the headlight switch had been bumped to "off" and I hadn't noticed.

Older bikes with permanent magnet charging systems would actually shut down one phase of the three-phase stator when you turned the headlight off so that the regulator wouldn't overheat trying to dump the excess current.

We never did hear why the OP wants to shut the headlight off. It's the worst idea possible on the street. Or maybe they want to shut off one headlight in a two headlight setup (still an awful idea, but technically legal), or shut it off for off-road riding for some murky reason.

In any case, there are a lot of bike-specific variables in how you'd get this done.
In Pa it would not pass inspection..... well a legal inspection.

My street bikes have one headlight on, then high beam is the second light.

back in the day when i road with a crew, they shut there lights on at night when they ran....... i just always pulled over
 

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My street bikes have one headlight on, then high beam is the second light.
Yeah, my Yamaha FJ-09 is like this (low beam is on the left; the right side only lights up when high beam is on), and quite a few concerned citizens have told me one of my headlights is out. Lots of motorcycles have headlights that work like this, but of course the general population has no idea. Quite a few riders have been pulled over by the police for a "burned out" headlight.

I mean, it's awfully nice of people to notice and try to help out, and I always thank them for seeing me, but sometimes it's hard to explain before the light turns green.
 

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Yeah, my Yamaha FJ-09 is like this (low beam is on the left; the right side only lights up when high beam is on), and quite a few concerned citizens have told me one of my headlights is out. Lots of motorcycles have headlights that work like this, but of course the general population has no idea. Quite a few riders have been pulled over by the police for a "burned out" headlight.

I mean, it's awfully nice of people to notice and try to help out, and I always thank them for seeing me, but sometimes it's hard to explain before the light turns green.
I had so many people tell me the headlight was out, even pulled over once and cop tried to give me a fix a ticket!!
 

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I am not sure why the OP wants to do this but I can sympathize. In the car/truck world proper fog lights work much better if the regular headlights are off. Ages ago I installed fog lights and powered the coil of the relay from the park light circuit. Worked very well but I found out at the next state safety inspection that they had to be wired to come on only w/ the headlights.
 

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And BMWs use a CAN bus system that makes alterations far more difficult than just monkeying with the wires.
Canbus is only difficult if you want it to be. Also once you understand what it is, it get simple and it doesn't take long to figure it out. Lack of understanding is the problem with Canbus.

I had a 2016 Harley Davidson and now a 2018 BMW R1200RT, both had Canbus. With both motorcycles I pulled trailers. With the HD I found a power converter that connected to the battery and would run any thing for lights on the trailer.

The BMW I could not find a power converter, so I put LED bulbs in the trailer lights and wired it directly to the motorcycle wiring. It works fine. The BMW uses one bulb for tail and brake lights. It pulses the tail light extremely fast so it gets about half power and the bulb looks like it is dimmer when it is just shutting off and on faster than your eyes can see. Then the brakes apply full power to the bulb for a bright brake light.

One thing I get a kick out of Canbus. Everyone is so afraid of burning up the ECM. If you overload the lights, the ECM just shuts down that circuit until you power the bike off and back on again. You can add all the bulbs you want and if it doesn't like the load, it just shuts down. No damage, reduce the load and try again. I added LED driving lights on my BMW and run them off the accesories circuit with no issues.

You can run a relay off Canbus, but not the old style mechanical relay, you need to buy a solid state relay. When I added the trailer to my BMW I figured I would need to add relays and found them on Amazon but never needed to.
 

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What "modern" motorcycle are you talking about? Most new bikes turn the headlight off during cranking/starting to minimize battery draw. Are you having starting issues that a headlight off switch may suit easier cranking?
 
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