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dan-

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Any suggestions on what size wire would be needed for a 200 amp service.

700 foot run from the meter/200amp panel at my well to my shop. Also, it's a300 ft run to the transformers at the pole from the meter. (pole to meter the poco did in 4/0 al)

I have a few estimates coming in from local electricians soon and want to be prepared!
 
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I'm not sure if there would be a significant voltage drop due to the distance so maybe someone wants to calculate it for you, but my short run for 200 amp service required either 4/0 aluminum or 2/0 copper.
 

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There will be significant VD but i'm not sure of the formula to determine proper wire size.
The Electrician should know it,but also get a second opinion.
 

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Its gonna be painful,the wire size works out to 1000 MCM(Al)!You will probably need to go to a transformer to keep the wire size reasonable and take care of the voltage drop over such a long distance.
 

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time to pick up a pair of 240/120 - 480v transformers......
 

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Be prepared to be shocked (pun intended). We had power run from a new meter ~300' to a 200 amp box in our new shop, and it was nearly $11K. They did ALL the labor, including burying the run to the shop, and setting the meter pole. The wire was almost 50% of the cost.

Gene Beaird
Pearland, Texas
 

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Just priced out some aluminum RW90 wire,$4.25/metre for 350mcm,6.17 for 500mcm for a 350' run.Glad its not gonna be me having to pay for it!
 

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My calculations are coming out with 500 or 600 KCMIL CU. which gets you a %2.9 voltage drop at 700'.

Of course, AL would be a bigger wire.
 
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dan-

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Well the electrician is going to go over the job quote tomorrow.

I'll post back.
 

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I just ran 200 Amp to my shop. Word of advice, do all the work yourself that you can! I ended up paying $1,600 including a new box, new meter, and materials to run about 250'.

We did a 'home upgrade' through the power company they upgraded the house to 320 service. I then took 200 from the meter back to the shop and kept the 175 on the house.

I have a buddy with a trencher but you can rent one which will save money. I also know an electrian that came to connect the new meter.
 
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dan-

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Ok,

First quote came in today.

1800 ft. of 750 MCM al (Run from meter to future house pad)(pul box to pul box) future 200 amp house panel.

900 ft. of 3/0 al (house pull box to shop 100 amp panel)

#4 copper Ground complete run

4'' PVC Meter to house run

2'' PVC House to shop

$30,000.00:shocking:
 
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dan-

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all the power has to be underground. Can I put the mil there also?
 

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Have you considered a diesel powered generator that just happens to be a welder for power? You could also buy a nice lp, propane or diesel generator and a LOT of fuel for that kind of money. Will you require power there all of the time?
 

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I would suggest contacting the power co. and seeing what it would cost to have them set some poles. I have a hard time believing they'd charge anywhere close to $30000 for that.

Next up, I'd try transformers at each end like MRB mentioned. 480 volt is common, I've never installed a 600 volt, but they are an option. Since they're not as common as 480 volt, the price may reflect it. The higher you can get the voltage, the smaller the wire you'll need to run.

Just running some quick calcs:

480 volt transformers, 5% VD, would get you down to a 2/0 AL I believe.

600 volt transformers, 5% VD, would get you down to a #1 AL or so.

The bad part about transformers is they always draw current while running even with no load on them, plus it's one more potential failure point in your electrical system. Although if they're sized correctly, some of them can last decades. The good news is you can adjust the transformer taps to make up for voltage drop as well. That's why I calculated at 5% VD rather than the usual 3%.

Honestly, I'm very surprised your electrician sent you a quote for $30K without giving you some other options. How many people does he think will bite when given a quote like that?:confused:

EDIT: I forgot to mention, you'll only need 3 wires between the transformers. The two "hots" and a ground. You'll derive your neutral from the transformer near your garage panel. Depending on whether or not your electrician figured a 3 or 4 wire feeder from the meterbase/(disconnect?) this could save you the cost of one wire.
 
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I would stay away from the electrican who gave you that quote......#4 ground is no good for your situation. When conductor size is increased for voltage drop, the size of the ground must be increased as well. This is very important because 1800 feet of #4 will not clear a fault supplied by a 200a breaker.
 
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dan-

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I would stay away from the electrican who gave you that quote......#4 ground is no good for your situation. When conductor size is increased for voltage drop, the size of the ground must be increased as well. This is very important because 1800 feet of #4 will not clear a fault supplied by a 200a breaker.

looks like it's only a 700 ft run and 4/0 not #4 cable.

Also, located in Northern CA.

I have two more quotes coming in soon.

Thanks for all the replys.
 

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I also have that problem but only about 250'. What I did for the interim was wire my 30 x 60 metal building as though I was going to hook up to my 200 amp service at the house. I found a mobil home cable #6-3 with ground, bought a semi cheap 10,000 watt generator and wired the cable into the 125 amp panel in the shop. This generator has a 50 amp connector on it. I just plug the cable into the generator and I'm ready to go.

Mike
 
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Feedback on my current wiring- Brand new 50x30 garage.

Today they are wiring in 200 amp service to my garage, underground at $6 per foot at 150 feet to the garage. They just dig it in from the box up to the garage. Could not pull from the house as it's only 100 amp service.........

Then the utility co. bring out the meter for free, but I have to pay them $10 per month. They come back out when it's all done and hook up at the box and at the garage to fire it up.

My electrician is charging me $30 per 110v outlet inside the garage and I have about 52 outlets going in. I have so many because I am having 20 outlets in the ceiling for my lighting opposed to hard wiring them in.

Charging me $150 per 220 opening outlet.

He is installing all my lights and 4 ceiling fans. Also includes all the breakers, wiring and panel.

All said and done I am looking at about $3,300 for the complete wire job.
 
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dan-

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Well still no closer!

quotes from

30k
24k
21k
10k

and every one with a diffirent wire size.

600mcm al
1000mcm al

I guess I will have to hire an electrical engineer to fiqure it out and stamp the plans!:confused:
 

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Whatever you do, dig the trench yourself. It'll be a big money saver. Also dig the trench BEFORE you have the contractors bid, as seeing an open trench will give them a bit more security in knowing that it's open and there aren't any other snafus that could occur. Also, I'd go as far as (as you are attempting to do) figure out the wire size number of conductors, string it out, and lay it in the ditch. Don't backfill. Let them do that and let them do the rest of the connections.
 

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just had my new 30 x 40 x 12 genral steel building wired.200 amp service combination meter box w outside power cutoff if i decidde to install a emergency generator We live in hurricane aria Alabama.
I had box 2 110 amp plugs w serge plugs on each side centered beam down 2 middle posts 1 220 for air compressor hard wired celing t10 8ft florsent lamps switches & overhead outside driveway lamp for 1600.00.
from there ran addtional interior & exterior 110 plugs & breakers my self.
NOTE have larger metal tubing to allow the addtional wiring without adding more tubing from the main breaker box.:shocking:
I might not be the fastest electrician but getting faster & better looking as i go I work cheap as my wife:lol_hitti
 

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700 feet is just too far to go with 120/240. The wire sizes you will need are insane. With a pair of 480-120/240 transformers, you will only need 250mcm aluminum. Plus with the transformers, you only need 2 hots and a ground -so it saves you a conductor. Shoot me a PM if you want more assistance..
 
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