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Fueler

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My son has gotten into woodworking. So far he has produced some nice stuff out of junk. He mentioned he was going to try his hand at a cabinet.

I would like to buy a high quality pro type set of chisels as a Christmas present.
Can I get some recommendations?
 
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I had good luck with Marples...but they have been bought by Irwin and the result looks polluted.

There is still a set on Amazon that's Marples sold by Record which looks like the originals with the wood case.

Also important would be a stone set to sharpen them with. Good chisels are important but being able to keep them extremely sharp is even more important in my book.

Another nice tool gift would be a low-angle Stanley block plane with the adjustable throat.
 

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Narex are highly rated and reasonable. If you want to spend some money, I really like mine by Lie-Nielsen.
 

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I have a number of different chisels, mostly old, antique as they are still the best. Have a set of Marples Blue and they are my hack chisels. I have a set of Two Cherries and they are fantastic. Made in Germany.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00029LIFA/?tag=atomicindus08-20

I can't speak to the Lee Valley/Veritas offerings as I haven't purchased any. But if their chisels are anything like their other tools, I'd say they'd be very good as well.

Cheers.
 

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I agree a flat plate and multiple grades of sandpaper to sharpen in the chisels are just as important as the chisels. I would also suggest probably two sets one for bulk work and one for ultrafine detail work.
 

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Here is a second vote for Narex. I believe they are Czechoslovakian made. I got mine from Lee Valley as the previous post suggested. They are more middle of the road but really higher quality than the price suggests.
 

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Mine are Dastra, and a few antique english ones I've bought on ebay. Not cheap; but well worth it if you want to do professional quality work. I use mine for stockmaking and inletting; anything less than the best you can get is insufficient to do a professional job on stocks.

I've had decent luck with some older buck brothers and even some of the old clear handle stanley with red stripes.

I sharpen on diamond hones, but I've also got a makita wet stone plane and chisel sharpener for rough work. I use a Veritas sharpening jig to put a 2 angle bevel edge on some of them; it's available from Lee Valley. Well worth it to get your angles right and to set up to do a 2 angle sharpening system. A 2 angle system speeds up your touchup of the edge between major sharpenings.

I've got old stanley with the yellow handles and striking caps for rough work, and also old red and clear stanleys. I was notching some rafters today to install lookout rake rafters on a roof I'm building, and used a couple of Sandvig chisels I picked up at a yard sale last summer. They worked quite well; I might try sharpening them up and using them for better work. They showed some real promise; they cut very well although they had some abuse and weren't totally sharp.
 
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I have the blue-handled Marples in a boxed set. They're plenty good for most of us. Probably MORE important is sharpening skills! A 'junk' chisel sharpened well will be infinitely better-working than a 'quality' chisel sharpened poorly.
 

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Popular woodworking and fine woodworking have done reviews -- google them. I have a full set of Japanese -- set from blue spruce and a few others. For most people -- 3 or maybe 4 standard sizes are what you typically use.

I would start out with three good ones if you think he is really interested.
 

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I have the blue-handled Marples in a box as well. I like them. I keep them razor sharp and they cut well and will little effort.

Also buy a Stanley 3/4" chisel so he will have something to hack with and not ruin the nice chisels.

As everyone said, you should purchase a sharpening stone(s) as it is just as important as the chisel set.
 

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I have the marples, the narex, and a set of Ashley isles beveled edge chisles.

The Ashley isles are hand chisles for dovetails, detail, and fitting. They are not to be hammered but they are the sharpest things on the planet. Really amazing. Favorite by far.

The marples and narex I have are Bench chisels and are used with a mallet. The marples are just as good after 5 or so sharpenings. The crumble the edge at first but hold one just as well as the narex after you get back a little due to multiple sharpenings. I actually like them better than the narex due to handle shape.

Make sure you get a good English mallet so he can keep an eye on the chisels edge not trying to hit the chisels head/handle.

If he is going to do real mortice and tennon work get him a pair of Ray isles morticing chisles. His "pig stickers" are the fastest way to chop out awesome mortices. The geometry is subtle but leads to straight, accurate, and very quick work. Depending on how heavy his work is 3/8" and 1/2" are the go to for most work. I rarely use my 1/4".
 

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I have the older Marples/Record blue handle chisels for normal use, plus a few vintage chisels (mostly PEXTO), and a set of yellow-handled Stanleys for beater use. I agree with all these other guys that sharpening skills are way more important than the chisels themselves. Even Harbor Freight chisels or those horrible Buck Brothers chisels at Home Depot can be useful occasionally with a good sharpening.

If I were to be gifted a set of good-quality chisels (but not ridiculously high end), I would want this set:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051PCQ7Y/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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Another vote for Irwin Marples (with the blue plastic handle, not the ones with the metal strike surface in the handle).

You can get a set of 3 at Menards for $20, and also pick up a granite tile ($2) and a package of assorted wet/dry sandpaper from about 60 to 2500 grit.

Marples are a great value -- mine are sharp enough to shave with, they hold their edge a lot longer than the crappy yellow handled construction chisels, and they are inexpensive. 90% of the value for 10% of the price of LN, LV, etc.
 

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A nice Christmas present for me, anyway, would be a few vintage chisels that had been restored by dear old Dad, if you have the skills and time. Plenty of vintage chisels on ebay, plenty of info on restoring them.

But then again I like vintage tools.
 

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Quality is relative ... cleaning up a lock strike is not going to need the precision of a dovetail in figured maple. Same with sharpening -- a fine chisel sharpened correctly on one of the modern stones .. like shapton is nothing like one done on sandpaper.

night and day.

Great old tools are available --- not like 10 years ago ... but they are around. It surprising what they go for and it's always a gamble. Many of the modern tools have horrible handles for hand work.
 
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Avoid the blue handle Marples! The Two Cherries are pretty nice.

But I would look at the Japanese chisel sets from The Japan Woodworker. Also look at the sets from Lee Valley (Veritas).
 

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All are good suggestions but I suggest going in a different direction. Get him a good set of 3 graduated construction chisels to go with his NEW SHARPENER.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Grinder-Sharpener/T10097A

Why have tools that he might not be able to use properly. If he is new to woodworking, he probably needs to know more about sharpening. With some luck, he will be ready to upgrade to a nicer chisel set NEXT Christmas.

You are a thoughtful dad to encourage his woodworking. Good luck.
 

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I'd get him a set of 3-5 for 100 or so. as said any chisel is junk unless sharpened and maintained. so if you go this route get him a setup. samurai carpenter uses water stones. a little harder to use then glass and sandpaper but better if used right. still can get great results using sandpaper and leather. lots of tutorials out there.
If you want more ideas.....not sure what he has now or what he will be building (dovetails vs kreg jig) but some good ideas are a good marking gauge, a marking knife, dovetail saw or Japanese saw, hand scroll saw, hand planes (also needs to know how to sharpen). it goes on and on.
personally if I was starting out I would have much rather had a lower but ok quality of everything then a 500 dollar set of chisels.
 

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Another +1 for the Narex set from LV. Reasonable set to enter into the WW market, where you can easily spend that much on one chisel.

They do well enough for fine work, easy to control, easy to sharpen. The handle is pretty blah but it's alright. I use some cheapo HF chisels for when I really do rough banging work on construction lumber.

http://www.leevalley.com/us/Wood/page.aspx?p=67707&cat=1,41504

Admittedly, I've never even been in a situation where I could try out a really high end fine chisel. Maybe down the road when I've got lots of disposable income I'd invest in a high end set. If I would it would likely be one of those really sweet Japanese chisel sets.
 
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This is quite the education. I know metal working but this WW is a whole different world in some ways but the same as far as ok tools versus the best.
Thanks for everything to date.
 

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This is quite the education. I know metal working but this WW is a whole different world in some ways but the same as far as ok tools versus the best.
Thanks for everything to date.

Funny I went from wood working to metal. Can't tell you how many times I burned my fingers on metal after grinding/sanding when I went to feel how smooth it was like I do on wood.
There are a lot of similarities between the two. If the boy watches youtube tell us what he watches and I bet we can make better suggestions.
 

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I have been building house for well over 30yrs and furniture for about 20. For someone starting out I would get the blue handle marples. They are very good for the money. A couple of grits of diamond sharpening stones as well. I keep a set of the blue handles in the truck for const. use, they will take a beating and are a great value. Lie Neilson makes everything top notch but you pay for it. A well sharpened set of blue handles will work just as well as a high dollar set of wood handles chisels.
 

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...Admittedly, I've never even been in a situation where I could try out a really high end fine chisel. Maybe down the road when I've got lots of disposable income I'd invest in a high end set. If I would it would likely be one of those really sweet Japanese chisel sets.

I've used so many. They're not all they're cracked up to be.

I grew up using a Japanese set, from back when they were inexpensive (in the '80's). They were nice, but hard to the point of being brittle. And the Japanese chisels require reforging after enough sharpening, as the hollow on the underside approaches the cutting edge. They're just not all that well suited to Western woodworking techniques.

After that, my father picked up a set of Robert Sorby chisels with rosewood handles. They're a pleasure to behold and use, but truth be told, at 10x the price of what my Craftsman chisels went for, I'd rather have 10 Craftsman (US made!!!) sets than one Sorby set. I have the room to keep several sets of chisels around, and having more than one sharp chisel in each size, means I don't need sharpening breaks to interrupt my work flow.

I've got Marples boxwood handled mortising chisels, and a large set of Henry Taylor Acorn gouges. These are all quite high end, and ALL of these have had issues with the brass ferrules splitting. As much as I love these tools, they give me so much more grief than their plastic handled brethren.
 

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I got by for a long time with the Marples Blues and use them still for rougher work. My best are the Lie-Nielsen chisels and they are terrific. With the leather roll they sell for them it is a nice...a real nice gift. To conserve your bank account don't start looking at the planes and saws;)
 

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Don't get him a set. if you can, get him 3 DIFFERENT chisels from DIFFERENT makers. A 1/4", a 1/2" and a 1". One should be a Lie-Nielsen / Stanley Sweetheart. The second a Japanese chisel. The third a mid-grade or higher chisel from Lee Valley or Two Cherries or Sorby or Blue Spruce or Pfeil or ... For straight up comparison purposes without different blade sizes, the 1/2" is the best size to pick because it's likely the most used chisel for most woodworkers.

Why do it this way? Because the difference between a "good" chisel and a fanastic chisel is as much about how the woodworker and the chisel fit one another as it is about the steel and design of the chisel. Handle size and shape, as well as length and balance point of the chisel matter. Sometimes a LOT. Some people love/hate the physically smaller Lie-Nielsen/Sweethearts, others love/hate the feel of Japanese chisels, and some folks just wanna fill their hands with a big honkin Narex or Sorby. Understand that with new production chisels, there is a fairly good correlation between cost and quality, and as with many things, there's also a diminishing return. Once he settles down and has a good sense of what he wants in a chisel (other than "better"), then you (and others) can look at adding additional chisels over time.


In truth though, the best "investment" you can make in his woodworking at this point wouldn't be chisels. It would be sharpening. You could get the Aldi or Marples or Narex, or just ONE (1/2") high quality chisel. And get him some sharpening goodness. Again, a lot depends on how much you're willing to spend. You can get into sharpening for the cost of a square of plate glass, some wet/dry sandpaper, and an "eclipse" side clamp sharpening jig, all told, probably less than $30. Half hog, at least from my perspective, would be to get the Lie-Nielsen Honing Guide and a pair of dual sided DMT diamond stones. Because the absolute core skill in hand tool woodworking is sharpening. The above is pricey, but will likely last a lifetime unlike sandpaper. Unlike waterstones, diamond stones aren't messy or fussy. Once he learns to sharpen chisels, he can sharpen plane blades as well. Encourage him to learn to sharpen knives. Boys and men LIKE sharp knives, and get serious cool points for being the guy who always has a sharp knife, especially when he sharpens it himself. (As long as they don't turn into sharpening geeks, but geekery over anything is always a risk with guys.) Once you have someone in the family who can keep the kitchen cutlery sharp, oh, happy days for no tomato will be safe. Avoid, at least for now, any of the power sharpening equipment. If he learns to sharpen well by hand, then he'll appreciate the power stuff much more, and also be able to put a better edge on things using a combination of power and hand.

Full Disclosure: I have chisels from 12 different manufacturers made in the last 20 years or less. I don't have any Japanese chisels. Yet.

Additional point: There are many varieties of chisels. What you want are BENCH chisels. Not ****. Not mortise. Not dovetail or skew or crankneck or paring. Bench The chisel that does 90% + of chiselin'.
 

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Here's where I would get them.
http://www.toolsfromjapan.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=312

I bought a Dragon Oire-nomi and it's supurb.

P1000094.jpg


I'd resist the urge to buy a large set. Instead, pick 2-3 sizes so you can spend the $'s on quality vs quantity.

If you want something more modest, the Stanley Sweethearts are pretty good.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004TK0IG8/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 
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I'd go with stanley sweethearts. Pretentious enough to make a nice gift, but not too special to use.

I have a set of three plastic handled sears (not craftsman) chisels that i got i the 80's. They sharpen easily, hold a decent edge, and have done everything i asked, from cutting dovetails to scraping paint off of glass. Ive never really felt the need to "upgrade"
 

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I made a thread similar to this a couple weeks ago. Picked up a Narex.

I just picked up this set. Once a little work is done to them they are super nice.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0165WKKY2/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Very nice looking and easy to use. Considering what I will use them for should last me a lifetime and I didn't have to spend $500 for a set...lol When looking at different brands and sets/individual ones the price seems to skyrocket. Don't get me wrong I'm sure those that are expensive are really worth it. For an average DIY homeowner this fits the bill for me.

-Nigel
 

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All are good suggestions but I suggest going in a different direction. Get him a good set of 3 graduated construction chisels to go with his NEW SHARPENER.

http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-Grinder-Sharpener/T10097A

Why have tools that he might not be able to use properly. If he is new to woodworking, he probably needs to know more about sharpening. With some luck, he will be ready to upgrade to a nicer chisel set NEXT Christmas.

You are a thoughtful dad to encourage his woodworking. Good luck.

Grizzly also sells Bailey, Sweetheart and a full line of Japanese chisels. I bought a set of blue nylon handled chrome-vanadium wood chisels from them 30 years ago; they are still my go-to chisels for cabinet work. They take an hold an edge beautifully. I checked the catalog and they don't carry them anymore, but this Bailey (Sheffield,England) set looks nice and has good reviews:


http://www.grizzly.com/products/Chisel-Set/T22302?utm_campaign=zPage&utm_source=grizzly.com
 
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