Woodworking hand tools

[Bigmichaelkim]

Hello, I am not sure if this is an appropriate post but could someone help me identify a couple of wood working hand tools for me?



Can anyone tell me the type of saw this hand saw is? Like the brand and age possibly? I checked the blade for etching but no dice so I thought maybe someone would recognize it from the handle.

Also

Can anyone tell me the age of this vise? Like approximately when it was made and what not?

Thanks in advance for the help.


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[My Old Tools]

Looks to be a crosscut saw. Wheat pattern handle could be a Disston.

Record vise isn't particularly old, anywhere up to 50 years.

 

[Roberts210]

The saw could be a Disston. LIke M.O.T. said it's a crosscut saw. But it's not from the 1930's and 1940's--the era of great Disstons. This one looks more like a 60's saw. One of the handle nuts should have some wording on it, identifying the maker.

The quick-release Record is a good vise--probably from the 1970's-'80's. I have the very same vise, and I bought it new in 1979.

 

[Stuart in MN]

Look at the screws holding the handle on, they are typically marked with the brand name.

 

[Bigmichaelkim]

I see. Thank you guys so much. I don't see a handle nut identifying it as a Disston as I see in YouTube videos of those that have a Disston. And my saw only has 3 bolts holding it in place as well which didn't match any of the Disstons I looked up online. Though the wheat pattern does seem like a disston saw...


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[My Old Tools]

Disston made saws for others. Could be Sears, etc.

 

[jimreed2160]

The handle on the saw does not look like a Disston. And it looks like one of the nuts is broken off. I am afraid that is a pretty common saw--probably post WWII. I would guess 1950--1975. Clean the blade up with Simple Green and sandpaper and use it. You might be surprised at how good it cuts.

 

[Socket Pounder]

Saw, bench vise, pencil, screw, calculator, square

 

[dcpickle]

Look on the nuts holding the handle on the saw. If it says Disston, or Simonds, or maybe some other name, it may be a nice old saw. However, if it says "Warranted Superior", This is the mark of a common, not old, not very valuable saw. There is often etching still visible on the blade of Good old saws like Disstons. Frankly, the wheat pattern on the handle makes it look recent. Plus, handles with "flat" sides as opposed to "rounded" edges are also indicative of recent, lower-quality manufacture.
The vise is not old, but it is a very good quality vise. Keep it and use it!

 

[bczygan]

"Warranted Superior" is Disstons second line.

 

[hsvtoolfool]

As others have noted, a Record 52 1/2 quick release
woodworkers vise made in the UK is not an antique,
but it is valuable. Prices have soared since there's
no good woodworker vises being made any more.

Record tools were made in Sheffield England up until
about 1995-ish. The Record company was sold to
Irwin US and production was moved to India.
Unfortunately, Irwin tool quality is poor compared
to the UK Record products.

I adore Record hand planes, especially those from
the 1950s and 1960s. I have a random collection
of Record bench, rabbit, and plow planes. They're
not valuable, but I snap them up any chance I get.
The quality and design across the board was much
better than Stanley.

 

[jimreed2160]

BTW--If you want to see some woodworking handtools and vises in action, be sure to check out my Woodworking 101 thread. Good luck with putting yours to work.

 

[Bigmichaelkim]

BTW--If you want to see some woodworking handtools and vises in action, be sure to check out my Woodworking 101 thread. Good luck with putting yours to work.

Thanks man. I am going to build a workbench to suit this beauty. I am just getting into woodworking but repairing and reworking these old hand tools really is therapeutic for me. I picked up a Stanley plane no 4 type 11 the other day at an estate sale and while it had quite a bit of rust I was just amazed that I was helping to restore a tool nearly 100 years old. I don't know it's a weird odd feeling but heavily satisfying. I can't wait to clean up my vise as well. I will for sure check out your thread could you by chance post a link to it? If it's no trouble. I have a lot to learn.


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[jimreed2160]

Here is a link to the ww thread
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=344153

Nice score on the type 11 Stanley bench plane. Those are some of the best. Good luck making shavings.

 

[BikerDad]

That vise is a gem. I know, because I have one. IIRC, they actually continued making them in England up into the 21st century, but as noted above, Record was gobbled up by Irwin and all their production was offshored.

 

[Recordus]

To fill in the sad late history of Record Tools, they were bought by American Tool (which seemed a fine company; owned ViseGrips, Irwin, Marathon etc etc). American Tool seemed to keep their hands off for a few years, then was unfortunately bought by Newell-Rubbermaid. Newell-Rubbermaid didn't know what to do with Record so shut them down and sold the tooling, which ended up in India making poor Record copies. I haven't seen any of the India-made woodworking vises for a while so perhaps that venture floundered (as it should have.)

Chinese-made, very poor copies of Record vises seem to be imported still, some of them seem to be labeled "Irwin Record". A few of them have a look reminiscent of Record, some are of a flat-out Chinese design. All are lousy.

Brian

 

[Larryjones]

Your saw had 4 screws, one is missing. Somebody probably thought it was more valuable than the saw. Clean it up and sharpen and set it and it will still be a good saw.

 

[Roberts210]

Sad story about Record. When the Brits had them, they were made good.

 

[JimNC]

The red on the handle is a good indicator of what brand it was, but I've forgotten most of my old tool knowledge. As folks above said, it it neither especially old nor especially valuable. Great saw to practice setting and sharpening.

 

[Cope]

I adore Record hand planes, especially those from
the 1950s and 1960s. I have a random collection
of Record bench, rabbit, and plow planes. They're
not valuable, but I snap them up any chance I get.
The quality and design across the board was much
better than Stanley.

I bought a NIB Record #8 in the box in the shipping box. Original owner was a collector, and the plane was shipped from Woodcraft to his home in 1973. He had replaced the iron with a Hock, and the cap iron with a 2 piece Clifton. It was one of a group of planes I bought from one dealer and he threw in lots of spare irons and other parts. I was lucky enough to get the original iron and cap iron in the deal.