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Worm drive are torquey, but may be overkill for the average user. Then again, overkill is always encouraged on this forum.

Skil made an industry standard worm-drive saw (can't remember teh name, but "77" sticks in my head for some reason).

Bosch makes a kick *** worm drive. Check it out.
 

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I would get the Skil or the Bosch and both are overkill for the average user. Nothing it more cool than a power tool that needs an oil change. Both Skil and Bosch are part of the Robert Bosch tool group.
 

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The best thing about a worm drive saw for the typical right handed user is that the motor is on the right side of the blade. Many folks find it much easier to make straight accurate cuts with a worm drive saw because the motor is in line with your arm and the blade is in line with your eyes.
 

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Without doubt, the best worm drive saw is the Skil HD77 in Magnesium. If it doesn't have the power to cut it, nothing will. And the magnesium case is durable and lightweight. It far outclasses the Bosch and Craftsman competitors. Also, many of the saws that look like a worm drive are actually a bevel or hypoid drive (e.g. the Makita version). Not nearly as durable, and not nearly as powerful.

For serious cutting and framing, I'll use my Skilsaw any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It really kicks ****. If you're cutting trim or other delicate work, a cheapo sidewinder may do the job equally as well.
 

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A while back I bought a Craftsman Pro worm drive saw on clearance for $62. It is made in the USA and appears to be a rebadged Skil saw. They were changing to a new model so that's why they clearanced it out. I would have preferred it in Magnesium but for the deal I got I can't complain. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to try it out because the last couple of times I did any cutting I wasn't at home so I borrowed a saw. I'm itching to try this thing out.
 

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I've got an old HD77 that's about as old as i am.

I'm right-handed, and i hate the fact that the blade is on the left. if i want to work the "proper" way, with theright-hand side of the work supported, and the left hand side of the work being free to drop, then i have to work backwards, and hold the work with my right hand (and right knee or foot), and run the saw with my left hand.

I usually prefer to work with the left-hand side of the work supported, and the right-hand side free to drop after the cut. That means the motor is hanging on the side that's being cut away, which is bad.

I work with the left-side supported, because i can use my knee, and left hand to hold the work, and right hand to run the saw. (i'm right-handed) I can't see how any right-handed person would like that motor/blade orientation on a worm-drive saw better.

Don't get me wrong, i love my worm drive saw, but i just wish the blade was on the other side, because it's difficult to use.

Also, mine takes 8 1/2" blades, which are unusual, and much more expensive than the 7 1/4. But, the larger blade is nice for making deeper cuts.

one more thing, the blade spins slower on a worm-drive saw than a direct-drive. That makes the cuts slower.
 
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In terms a capability, a worm drives win the torque war. What about functionlity? Are there any angles, depth settings, cuts etc that a circular saw can perform that a worm drive can not?.
 

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Just kind of wondering, if your actually going to be building something wouldn't some kind of cutoff saw be a more practical choice? Or a small table saw?
 

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I've got an old HD77 that's about as old as i am.

I'm right-handed, and i hate the fact that the blade is on the left. if i want to work the "proper" way, with theright-hand side of the work supported, and the left hand side of the work being free to drop, then i have to work backwards, and hold the work with my right hand (and right knee or foot), and run the saw with my left hand.

I usually prefer to work with the left-hand side of the work supported, and the right-hand side free to drop after the cut. That means the motor is hanging on the side that's being cut away, which is bad.

I work with the left-side supported, because i can use my knee, and left hand to hold the work, and right hand to run the saw. (i'm right-handed) I can't see how any right-handed person would like that motor/blade orientation on a worm-drive saw better.

Don't get me wrong, i love my worm drive saw, but i just wish the blade was on the other side, because it's difficult to use.

Also, mine takes 8 1/2" blades, which are unusual, and much more expensive than the 7 1/4. But, the larger blade is nice for making deeper cuts.

one more thing, the blade spins slower on a worm-drive saw than a direct-drive. That makes the cuts slower.


If you are right-handed, then you can see the blade easily with the worm drive saw. You would have to look over the saw to see the cut line, if the blade were on the right side. We used to call direct-drive saws "left-handed" saws for that reason.

I've heard of guys cutting themselves using the knee or thigh as you described.

I use Skil 77 and Bosch saws. The Bosch seems to have a little more control for some reason. It is hard for me to imagine a direct-drive saw cutting faster than a worm drive. You might need a better blade such as the thin-kerf Diablo.
 

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That's my HD77M in the bottom drawer. Skil Worm Drive's are a pleasure to use. They turn at a slow 1300 RPM and they're very quiet compared to a sidewinder. They have so much torque that I can squeeze the trigger to spool the blade up, let go of the trigger, and then cut a 2x4 as it's winding down!
 

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I own several circular saws. A Skill HD77 (difference between that and the mag one, to my knowledge is color and two pounds), a Bigfoot (Skill 77 motor with a 10 1/4" blade), a Bosch CS20, a Porter Cable 424, and a DeWalt (I still spell it the old way from when they were good), DW384.

The Skills, Bosch and Makita worm drives are all good, although my preference is to the first two. Most roofers I know will only use a worm saw as they last, are durable (falls) and fairly rebuildable (just a mater of finding the parts locally as they don't want down time). But they are heavy.

For non construction or things like furniture/woodworking, I prefer the lighter weight of a sidewinder and I prefer a braked version. I tend to use these with my guide system (Eurekazone), and haven't used the tablesaw in some time.

In Canada, there are restrictions by their version of OSHA (at least commercially), that a right bladed saw, (sidewinder) be used by a right hander, and a left bladed sidewinder be used by a left handed person. The motor is supposed to be a safety block and your to use the notches in the base plate as the guide (or things like a sawboard).
In the US we don't have those restrictions, and I am unclear as to Canada's take on the worm drive.
Sidewinders with brakes stop faster, then worm drives, then sidewinders without brakes. But I have seen worm drives that held up/lasted longer (seen some from the late 40's early 50's? or attributed to those periods). Blades DO make a difference, I do prefer the thin kerf Diablo's, that I got turned onto by Eurekazone.
 

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If you are right-handed, then you can see the blade easily with the worm drive saw. You would have to look over the saw to see the cut line, if the blade were on the right side. We used to call direct-drive saws "left-handed" saws for that reason.

I've heard of guys cutting themselves using the knee or thigh as you described.

I use Skil 77 and Bosch saws. The Bosch seems to have a little more control for some reason. It is hard for me to imagine a direct-drive saw cutting faster than a worm drive. You might need a better blade such as the thin-kerf Diablo.


I certainly don't rest the work on my leg if that's what you thought i meant....I've seen people do that before, that looks really dangerous. I meant i'll rest the piece of wood on the remainder of the stack of wood, or whatever, and use my foot to hold it in place while i cut. My body parts aren't anywhere near the blade.

I understand what you mean, but it requires a person to stand on the side of the wood that's going to drop away. it's very hard to hold the wood from moving with the piece that's getting cut off. It works for the first 3/4 of the cut, but it doesn't work well at the end when it's barely attached. if you clamp the work to something solid (the right way to do it) then that method works great and it is much easier to see the blade and the cut, but a lot of times, it's impossible, or impractical to clamp.

I guess what i'm saying is it's a matter of preference as to which side works bettter. All right-handed people don't automatically prefer saws with the blade on the left.
 

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Worm drive Skil has been the construction industry go to saw for as long as I can remember, simply cannot be beat!
 
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I see alot of skilsaws for sale,but didn't think they had the power! I definitely will look at a skilsaw,seeing that fine piece of machinery merkava showed us.:thumbup:
 
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The skil worm drive is the original worm drive saw. You can get it as a regular one or magnesium. The bosch is the same saw as the magnesium skil (bosch owns skil). A lighter alternative to those is the hypoid saws from dewalt and makita...

Interesting side note: the skilsaw was made in the states for some 70 or so odd years until sometime last spring they brought out a new model with a rafter hook and moved production to china.
 

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In terms a capability, a worm drives win the torque war. What about functionlity? Are there any angles, depth settings, cuts etc that a circular saw can perform that a worm drive can not?.

The Skil worm drive saw has full angle and depth adjustment.
 

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I think that wormdrive saws are a macho thing, They are just so awkward and heavy compared to a regular circular saw. I hate when I get stuck having to use one. I will take a Milwaukee circular saw any day.
 

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I think that wormdrive saws are a macho thing, They are just so awkward and heavy compared to a regular circular saw. I hate when I get stuck having to use one. I will take a Milwaukee circular saw any day.

Heavy yes, but not awkward by any means. ;)

Macho? Yeah ... I guess I do feel a little bit macho while using it. :spit:
 
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The weight of a saw,confirms that i'm using a quality tool,that can take some abuse.Plus like anything else after you use for awhile it becomes easy to lift.I watched a video on deck construction yesterday and was amazed at the different uses of a circular saw,he was using a worm drive skilsaw like a pencil.
 
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Interesting side note: the skilsaw was made in the states for some 70 or so odd years until sometime last spring they brought out a new model with a rafter hook and moved production to china.

I drive past the Bosch Tools US headquarters & factory now and then. The big sign outside says 416,000 sq ft available for sale or lease. Based on the cars in the parking lot, it looks like they are still using it for offices until they find a new owner for the building.
 

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Interesting side note: the skilsaw was made in the states for some 70 or so odd years until sometime last spring they brought out a new model with a rafter hook and moved production to china.

Mine is only a year old and the only part made in China is the blade; I plan to look into what you said though.
 

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That's my HD77M in the bottom drawer. Skil Worm Drive's are a pleasure to use. They turn at a slow 1300 RPM and they're very quiet compared to a sidewinder. They have so much torque that I can squeeze the trigger to spool the blade up, let go of the trigger, and then cut a 2x4 as it's winding down!

TOTAL overkill. :beer:
 

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My father has an old Craftsman circular saw. It is an all metal model that is not worm drive. He has used it regularly for probably 30 years. He's built maybe twenty houses with it, and didn't use a table saw on all but the last couple. We've used it on hundreds of projects and remodels. I wish they still made them that well.

I have one of the earlier Black and Decker electric drills ever made and still use it regularly. It was used in a shop for probably thirty years.
 

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I understand what you mean, but it requires a person to stand on the side of the wood that's going to drop away. it's very hard to hold the wood from moving with the piece that's getting cut off. It works for the first 3/4 of the cut, but it doesn't work well at the end when it's barely attached. if you clamp the work to something solid (the right way to do it) then that method works great and it is much easier to see the blade and the cut, but a lot of times, it's impossible, or impractical to clamp.

I guess what i'm saying is it's a matter of preference as to which side works bettter. All right-handed people don't automatically prefer saws with the blade on the left.

I see what you are talking about now. I generally have the piece that I am saving on the left side so that the line is easy to see. But as you said, some might prefer to work from the opposite side. :thumbup:
 

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When I bought mine, the rafter hooks have just started being added; my saw was new old stock. On the box it says Assembled in USA; I assume it says that because of the included blade was made in China. The next time I'm at a hardware store, I'm gonna take a look at the origin label of the new saws.
 

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I have a Mag 77.

Nice saw.

The weight is an advantage because most framers cut downhill, and the weight of the saw helps. Just pull the trigger and guide it along the line.

I am right handed, and prefer the worm drive over the sidewinder.
 

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I used a worm drive saw for many years while working as a frame and form carpenter. The extra weight is also a big help when ripping sheets of plywood, it helps keep your cuts straight.
However, now that I'm older and not as strong as I used to be it makes the saw a real handful. Sears makes a small panel cut saw with the blade on the left which I much prefer for my day to day chores now. I just can't seem to get the hang of having the blade on the right after using a worm drive for so many years.
But I'll still keep the worm drive around just in case.
 

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Does anyone have any pics of this sidewinder?

A "sidewinder" is any saw that isn't a worm drive or hypoid.

The motor on a sidewinder is perpendicular to the blade, and the blade attaches to the motor. Depending on the style, the blade can be on the right or left.

The motor on a worm drive or hypoid is usually parallel to and behind the saw blade.
 
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