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SynViks

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Worm drive saws with the blade on the right-hand side of the motor seem to be pretty rare outside the Porter Cable trim saw. You have to go back pretty far to before the Skil 77 iteration became the de-facto design to find them. Recently stumbled across one called the "Mall Saw Model 70" (which is itself a refinement of a Wappat design evidently). Here it is compared to the modern Skil 77:
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Saw is currently disassembled for refurbishment; here's a picture off google search of an assembled one:
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Haven't cut anything yet but just from handling it, definitely among the better balanced 7-1/4" blade saws I've come across. Sidewinders have the weight off to the side and in my experience are less robust. The Skil 77 has the weight balanced but the blade on the left means the saw wants to roll to the right when the cut lumber drops away, and the handle is behind the motor/weight so need a good amount of wrist strength to wield it one handed. Obviously not deal breakers as the saw has been an industry standard for decades... these are things that just bug me.

This Mall saw has the weight centered, has the handle over the motor, won't want to roll when the cut lumber drops down, and as a bonus I can see the front of the line of cut from the left hand side since there's not a giant motor in the way like with a side winder. The weight is 15.5lb so heavy by modern standards but not much more than a modern Skil 77.

Mechanically this thing is either equal to or superior to a Skil of it's era. Worm wheel has barely any wear, the worm itself has five starts (most I've ever seen on a worm drive saw) resulting in a modern feeling 4800 RPM.

Excited to try it out once it's rebuilt. Only issue is it uses a 13/16" square arbor hole instead of the standard 13/16" diamond... If I like the saw enough to actually use it regularly will need to figure out a solution to that.
 
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IIRC, Bosch had a hypoid--same basic form factor as a worm drive, different gears--with options for either side back in the '90s or early Aughts. Bosch's saws also beveled to both sides. I admired those saws on the jobsite back then, but already had a Mag 77. I still have the 77 and I don't see the Boschs around much anymore.

I've always fount it amusing how much of a geographic divide there was between side-winders and worm drives back in the day. If you were from the east coast, side-winder. West coast, worm drive. Guys would get in some pretty heated arguments about it, too.

And then there were hammer handles.... Show a Yankee a Cali Stand-up Framer in the '90s... I swear some of those guys used finish hammers for framing.
 
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IIRC, Bosch had a hypoid--same basic form factor as a worm drive, different gears--with options for either side back in the '90s or early Aughts. Bosch's saws also beveled to both sides. I admired those saws on the jobsite back then, but already had a Mag 77. I still have the 77 and I don't see the Boschs around much anymore.
Are you thinking of the wormdrive bosch put out not long after they bought Skil?

They had one that was basically a redressed 77 but they also had this version with the handle above the motor. I don't recall a right side blade version.
 

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Are you thinking of the wormdrive bosch put out not long after they bought Skil?

They had one that was basically a redressed 77 but they also had this version with the handle above the motor. I don't recall a right side blade version.

I may be confused as to the brand--I think it was Bosch (Makita also made blue saws) , but it was about thirty years ago. But definitely a hypoid, not worm-drive.

https://blog.acmetools.com/what-are-the-types-of-circular-saws/#:~:text=However, the hypoid saw has,reducing motor size and noise.

I clearly recall the double-bevel--it didn't go as far on the motor side, like about 25*, but it did bevel to both sides and was available in RHB or LHB.

I see several worm drive saws offer options in both sides today, but I can't find any mention of the one I recall, and the hypoid drive saws seem to have vanished.

The hypoid saws were somewhat lighter and smaller for the same power, but must not have lasted as well. My Skil Mag77, purchased in '92, is still in use today.
 

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IIRC, Bosch had a hypoid--same basic form factor as a worm drive, different gears--with options for either side back in the '90s or early Aughts. Bosch's saws also beveled to both sides. I admired those saws on the jobsite back then, but already had a Mag 77. I still have the 77 and I don't see the Boschs around much anymore.

I've always fount it amusing how much of a geographic divide there was between side-winders and worm drives back in the day. If you were from the east coast, side-winder. West coast, worm drive. Guys would get in some pretty heated arguments about it, too.

And then there were hammer handles.... Show a Yankee a Cali Stand-up Framer in the '90s... I swear some of those guys used finish hammers for framing.
Yes, the Skilsaw was first invented in Louisiana (initially intended for cutting sugar cane) and then the company was founded and setup manufacturing in Chicago. People expanding westward were supplied with the Skilsaws and the rest is history.

Porter Cable, based in Syracuse, had to come up with a circular saw Of their own, but the skilsaw was patented. They eventually designed what we call the sidewinder design today, and this matriculated up and down the east coast, resulting in the geographical divide we see still today.

The worm drive is a superior design, in my opinion. The spinning armature is parallel to the blade, resulting in gyroscopic forces that keep the saw cutting straight. Try it - hold a worm drive, pull the trigger, and move the handle from side to side. You’ll notice the saw resists your movements a bit. Sidewinders don’t have this benefit. Also, cordless saws all have their motors oriented perpendicular to the blade, so they don’t benefit from this either.

Super cool saw, OP, thanks for sharing with us. Regarding the weight of the skilsaw being on the off-cut - it is a downside of the design. Being able to see the cut line is worth it though.

Really, rear handle saws aren’t great for cutting on sawhorses. A top handle saw is much more ergonomic for that task. Where they do excel is cutting lumber in situ, ie: directly on the pile or propped up on the insole of your foot.
 

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I learned to cut with either side of the blade many years ago. It's not that hard to simply look through the spinning teeth to see the line.
 
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