rocco
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Would you buy stolen tools?
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goodfellow
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Back in 1981 my shop was broken into by professionals. They were able to disarm the alarm, gain entry and and cleaned out every toolbox in the place -- taking only the highest value items. They picked the lock on my MAC boxes and took out the good stuff and even relocked it. I lost $18K of tools that night and never forgot the helpless feeling knowing that my ability to make a living was severely compromised.
Over the years there have been many times that a van would drop by the shop with "discount" brand name tools sold out the back for 20 cents on the dollar, and each time I tell 'em to hit the road (and I also alert the police) because I know that in many cases some poor guy just lost his livelyhood because these "bustards" have no morals or conscience.
Over the years there have been many times that a van would drop by the shop with "discount" brand name tools sold out the back for 20 cents on the dollar, and each time I tell 'em to hit the road (and I also alert the police) because I know that in many cases some poor guy just lost his livelyhood because these "bustards" have no morals or conscience.
l_bilyk
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I would never buy a stolen tool
Yea, but what would you have done if they were, say, 50-75 cents on the dollar?
I guess my point is, if it's not too low of a price, they could be legit tools.
eschoendorff
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Okay guys, let's summarize:
NONE of us would ever knowingly or willingly buy a stolen tool. Period.
We all buy from ebay, flea markets, pawn shops... but I think that we all have the good presence of mind to frequent only reputable establishments. I think Wilbilt spoke of the measures that the local pawn shops take to make sure that the items they sell aren't hot. The shops here do the same stuff. I don't even near the ones that are shady.
So, relax! We're all basically saying the same thing, just in different ways. And we have all known Jim long enough to know that he is a good kid and really does not condone buying stolen tools. Hell, I kn ow him from a couple of different forums and he would be one of the first people that I would lend my tools to.
NONE of us would ever knowingly or willingly buy a stolen tool. Period.
We all buy from ebay, flea markets, pawn shops... but I think that we all have the good presence of mind to frequent only reputable establishments. I think Wilbilt spoke of the measures that the local pawn shops take to make sure that the items they sell aren't hot. The shops here do the same stuff. I don't even near the ones that are shady.
So, relax! We're all basically saying the same thing, just in different ways. And we have all known Jim long enough to know that he is a good kid and really does not condone buying stolen tools. Hell, I kn ow him from a couple of different forums and he would be one of the first people that I would lend my tools to.
Coach James
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Well said eschoendorff.
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Uncle Buck
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Yup, I will agree.
kythri
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Did you join the forum simply to troll this post?
ZRX61
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I don't buy from Ebay, Swap meets or Pawn shops PRECISELY because of the chance of ending up ruining someones livelyhood.
& as someone who had to work in a shithole factory for 6 month to replace tools that were stolen from me I DO know how it feels when some worthless **** removes food from my table..
You have the WRONG attitude.
My original comment stands.
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ZRX61
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But apparently some members on here just don't "care"....
No "we" don't....
Uncle Buck
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Uncle Buck
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Well, everyone knows I was looking for a third and I think I might actually have a winner! I have narrowed the field to one of these two dipshits!
I think we could figure it out easier if I could just see how much forehead slope each has,
or possibly the amount of knuckle drag that may be involved as each plods his ignorant *** through the day!
Why couldn't Larry and Moe here just let this thread die, eschoendorff had made a tidy summary and closed things on a friendly note, then in stumbles these two Goobers!But "we" do shop there.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9314
For what its worth, I would buy from any of the mentioned places. Pawn shops here are highly regulated, they report to the police what they get in. If its stolen it found out at that time.
Unfortunately, their prices are high.
Flea markets vendors for the most part (the ones who make a living at it) I feel are on the up and up. Its the ones that have a few items in their trunks that seem to be the shadiest.
Ebay is what it is. I buy and sell. I know I'm honest and have to take for granted that most others are too. I think most on here know when not to deal with certain vendors on ebay.
Never say never, some of us have memories.
ZRX61
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I stopped to look at that Blue Point box because I'd never seen one before. Driving past a shop & then stopping to look at something doesn't constitute "shopping". If that was the case you could be charged with soliciting some prozzie just for looking as your drove thru your local redlight area....
I've NEVER spent 1c in that, or any other pawn shop....
I've NEVER spent 1c in that, or any other pawn shop....
ZRX61
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Well, everyone knows I was looking for a third and I think I might actually have a winner! I have narrowed the field to one of these two dipshits!
So I guess now we can lump you in with the forum lowlife who doesn't *care* about stolen tools. Thanks for clarifying your position on theft.
kythri
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And my original comment stands. Stop being a douche.
How, praytell, does one manage to ruin another's livelihood buy purchasing merchandise from eBay/swap meet/pawn shop?
If it's already been stolen and is on the open market, the livelihood has already been ruined, methinks.
One could make the argument that patronizing said establishments propogates the cycle, but that's a completely different argument.
Take your holier-than-thou attitude and stick it straight up your ***. If you truly felt about pawn shops like you claim, you wouldn't be caught within a hundred yards of one, you lying sack of hippo-****.
kythri
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Are you still harping on that? Did you not pass basic elementary school reading comprehension? You've completely misinterpreted what the guy said, and you continue to blather about it.
Sheez.
Posting on Internet forums - so easy a caveman can do it.
Interesting, we must not have had Snap 0n vs Craftsman enough recently since it looks like someone is wanting popcorn time again.
I see two nice summaries. 1. Not knowingly and that includes suspicious circumstances.
2. Depending on where you live, pawn shops can be good or bad, buying from someone's trunk = trouble anywhere. Ebay is, well we are honest on what we sell we hope others are too, unfortunately that is not always the truth. They do try to police stolen items.
3. Having something stolen is no damm fun!!!!
I see two nice summaries. 1. Not knowingly and that includes suspicious circumstances.
2. Depending on where you live, pawn shops can be good or bad, buying from someone's trunk = trouble anywhere. Ebay is, well we are honest on what we sell we hope others are too, unfortunately that is not always the truth. They do try to police stolen items.
3. Having something stolen is no damm fun!!!!
...and one that should include Indian casinos. Talk about life-ruiners.
Stealing tools would have no attraction if there was no market for them. I seriously doubt that the percentage of stolen tools in pawn shops and on eBay is as high as some are claiming (unless you count the bushels full of "confiscated items" being auctioned due to increased airport security).
ZRX61
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Here ya go:
What part of "who cares" are you having difficulty with?
But you don't care anyway.... Like others have said: If you don't buy from these establishments that's one less customer the thieves are catering to...
I'd gladly brand tool thieves right across their foreheads & remove every finger they possess... & that STILL wouldn't be enough punishment.
Jay H 237
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I have been a member of this board for quite some time and visit almost everyday even though I don't post much. I will say this thread has become one of the worst I have seen on here! 
I would never buy anything that I knew was stolen either. I don't make a living with my tools, just a hobbiest, but it would still hurt losing what I have. I don't want to support and encourage those that steal.
Now maybe we could get this thread back on track or atleast talk about Harbor Freight buying out Snap-On.
I would never buy anything that I knew was stolen either. I don't make a living with my tools, just a hobbiest, but it would still hurt losing what I have. I don't want to support and encourage those that steal.
Now maybe we could get this thread back on track or atleast talk about Harbor Freight buying out Snap-On.
kartracer55
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kartracer55 said:
What part of my SIMPLE scentence is your thick head having trouble with? Read that Closely. Take it slow, maybe try and write down the main idea. Your legitimatly stupid if you cant understand this scentence, DIRECTLY quoted from my original post. Its called inference.
Let me spell it out for you.
ME BUY TOOL.
ME THINK TOOL NOT STOLEN.
ME PAY WITH HARD EARNED MONEY.
ME FIND OUT TOOL STOLEN.
ME NOT UPSET BECAUSE ME KNOW TOOL ALREADY STOLEN AND ME ALREADY PAY FOR TOOL THE HONEST AND LEGAL WAY.
There, I cant make it any simpler. Stop dwelling on this, **** up your mistake and cut your losses. You mis-interpreted my original post and thats fine, it happens to us all. Move on, your arguing about nothing. I obviously dont buy tools that I know were stolen, plain and simply put, Im not full of guilt if it turns out a used tool I bought had unkowingly been stolen. This is not a difficult thing to understand.
To Everybody else, thanks for the comments and for not jumping down my throat. Obviously many of us (except ZRX61 apparantly) have an intelligent and moral view of the situation, I think we all agree for the most part.
Jim
You definitely "stole" those tools...geez.
Not what I meant, but let's not go down that road.
Dude, now you have misunderstood me!
I think all those smilies throw everyone off!
FYI...your page 6 is not necessarily someone else's page 6.
Coach James
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Who watches the Three Stooges? (Raises Hand).
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Ummm... tazman59 or whoever you are. I'm calling BS on your tool purchase...you know, the one you deleted?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...001QQitemZ110152710199QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...001QQitemZ110152710199QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Uncle Buck
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Ummm... tazman59 or whoever you are. I'm calling BS on your tool purchase...you know, the one you deleted?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...001QQitemZ110152710199QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Ouch! sweet catch bmw! Now don't ch just know that has to hurt being called out like that! So much for his credibility!
Ummm... tazman59 or whoever you are. I'm calling BS on your tool purchase...you know, the one you deleted?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...001QQitemZ110152710199QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
think you could explain this im lost
Coach James
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My guess would be that since the auction doesn't end for another ~2.5 hours and the current bid is $504.00, tazman couldn't have already bought them for $40. Unless this seller or someone else on ebay was selling another set of the exact same thing.
Hmm.
You buy stolen tool.
Law no care you think tool not stolen.
Law say possession stolen property.
Law say can't buy stolen tool honest and legal.
You know tool already stolen.
You do long jail time.
Or:
You no care tool stolen.
Law care tool stolen.
Sorry, but that's the way it is. And that's the way it should be.
kythri
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Not really. If he's buying stuff through eBay or a pawn shop, there's no way in hell he's doing any kind of time for possession of stolen property.
Possession is one of those charges that are used to bust someone who's knowingly trafficking in stolen stuff, but is skirting around being the actual criminal. If a pawnshop purchase or eBay purchase goes bad, worst case scenario is that you lose your stuff.
In most states, pawn shops are the party that assume the most liability - if they purchase stolen property, and resell it, and then it's discovered that the property was stolen and has to be returned to it's rightful owners, the pawn shops have to make good on that - refund of purchase price to the customer, etc. They're the ones left holding the bag.
This is why 95% of pawn shops have very detailed records, and go out of their way to cooperate with law enforcement to verify that the property isn't stolen.
As far as eBay goes - well, make your purchases through PayPal, or use a credit card that can be charged back. It's not a perfect guarantee, but it's the best you can do. If someone sells you hot stuff, and you end up having to forfeit it, you have a chance of recouping your loss.
I mostly lurk on this site but I have to chime in...
I am very careful about where I get my tools. This goes back to having a chest stole from me that was handed down by my father when he passed away. The worthless pri..., I mean the idiots that took them, probably were disappointed because the tools were so old, and they probably did not have a clue as to what half of them were for as my grandfather was a tool maker in the 30's. In addition to 50-60 pieces of Ford tools, what was in that chest was all hand forged, hand ground tools that had been passed through generations.
Yes, I am real careful not to do that to other people.
That was in 1990, still pisses me off.
I am very careful about where I get my tools. This goes back to having a chest stole from me that was handed down by my father when he passed away. The worthless pri..., I mean the idiots that took them, probably were disappointed because the tools were so old, and they probably did not have a clue as to what half of them were for as my grandfather was a tool maker in the 30's. In addition to 50-60 pieces of Ford tools, what was in that chest was all hand forged, hand ground tools that had been passed through generations.
Yes, I am real careful not to do that to other people.
That was in 1990, still pisses me off.
Blue
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Ouch. That would hurt. Tools is one thing, but tools that were passed-down from family is an entirely worse crime.
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