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Would you do this deal? woodworking tool trade

bassman2

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A local guy has a new Grizzly Go454z 20" Planer and a new Grizzly 12" Jointer Go609x.

I've got a Nearly new Dewalt 735 + Brand new Byrd Shelix cutter head and digital readout, And a Powermatic 6" Helical Head Jointer - brand new.. Plus $2300.

Does this sound like a good deal to you guys?

His costs are north of $4700, my costs are around $2400.

They are a small woodworking shop trying to downsize and save some dough.
 
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verbalkint99

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Looking at new retail costs it is a no-brainer...how new are these machines that he is willing to take such a loss? Poor judgement maybe? Or not happy with results? Grizzly machines do get sub par reviews from the brand whores , and your set up is quite respectable.

Do you have the room for the larger machines? Do you do enough work to need/want the larger machines? What blades are on the Grizzly machines, spiral or straight?
 
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bassman2

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Spiral blades, I've got room and need larger capacity... sounds like the guy needs the money due to some circumstances with family.
 

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Good trade up if you have the room and the electrical system to support them. A 6" jointer is pretty much limited to edges but a 12" jointer is much more useful because it can face joint.
 

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So you are giving your tools plus $2300? How much are your tools worth? Or are you trading straight up?
 

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No. Assuming the numbers are the difference in new tool cost this is a bad deal for you. The numbers don't work out. All the tools are used yet you are being asked to pay new price for "half" of his tools.

To make the numbers easier let's say his tools are worth $4600. Your tools are exactly half that at $2300. Now assume the tools are in great shape so they are worth 90% of new (seems optimistic to me).
Your tools are worth $2070. His are worth $4140.
The value of what you are giving is $2070 (tools) + $2300 (cash) = $4370.
The value of what he is giving is $4140.

In simplest terms you should discount the value of his tools by the same 10% thus you would give him your tools ($2070) plus 90% of the $2300 difference in price ($2070). At that point you have an even trade.

To take this example to an illogical conclusion, let's say I want to trade my 2005 Civic for a 2005 Mercedes S class. Well the new price on the Civic was $15k and the Mercedes $90k. No one would think that I should hand over my Civic (worth say $5k) + $75k for a 12 year old Mercedes that is only worth $15k on the used market.

I would also think about "who is helping who"? They clearly want cash and to downsize. You sound like you don't need this to happen. As such you should make sure the deal is otherwise good for you.
Just suppose the value of the tools was the same (you have to trade more tools or they include less). Well since you don't need this to happen you should "make them pay" for the fact that you don't need this to happen. Thus you should get a further discount. Since you don't need this deal to happen you can just keep your tools, save your money and wait for a good deal on similar tools to come along. Why pay him top dollar if you don't need the deal to happen?
 

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I agree with the math analysis above. Also, think practical. As much as we all drool over big and shiny, when was the last time you needed a 20" planer? And only production shops actually need a jointer that big. I do a lot of woodworking and I would pass on that deal. You already have some pretty good tools there.
 

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Seems he's the one in a pinch.

I would trade up, but for less cash.

(is the Powermatic old USA made or new Asian?)
 

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Agreed above, my first thought was there is no way you throw anything close to $2300 in the deal. I think the math above is generous, I'd say $1500-$1800 if they're in similar shape. If you're initiating the deal, price is higher than if he is...it's like asking someone on a date; you ask, you pay. You're solving their problem, that has value and thus is worth some money.

Those are massive tools. There are plenty of (smaller) professionals that use the Dewalt. I'd be really tempted myself but 13" is pretty darn good already, have you had the need or want for wider? How reasonable are the cost of replacement blades on the Grizzly stuff?
 
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The Byrd head is worth a lot of money and is so much quieter and smother cutting than just a standard head. The inserts cut on a shear angle instead of impact cutting that standard blades and inserts that are not on an angle. You will not be happy with the quality of cut and would soon have to replace the head with a Byrd head. I would skip the deal unless you are planing large slabs or glued up panels on a daily basis..
 

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The Byrd head is worth a lot of money and is so much quieter and smother cutting than just a standard head. The inserts cut on a shear angle instead of impact cutting that standard blades and inserts that are not on an angle. You will not be happy with the quality of cut and would soon have to replace the head with a Byrd head. I would skip the deal unless you are planing large slabs or glued up panels on a daily basis..
However quieter the Byrd head might be is completely moot on something as loud as the 735.

The cut quality may suffer some but due to the noise alone I would gladly get rid of my box planer for a larger induction motor driven planer even if it did mean a slightly lower cut quality.

I think you may be able to do better price wise but if you have the need, money and room for those big boys, I'd probably do it.
 

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Agree with cgv69, running a true 900lbs+ 20" planer is almost always going to be nicer then a benchtop; even with spiral cutter head.

Seems the 12" jointer comes with a spiral cutter... 609X is dubbed "spiral cutter" on the site.

So you now have a 12" spiral cutter over your 6" Powermatic (still want to know if its USA or not, theres a big difference) and a 900lbs planer that you can upgrade to spiral.

Unless he is your friend, offer $1200- 1800 and be stoked on some upgrades.
 

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I'd love a 12" jointer but I'd pass on a 20" planer, 20" belt sander maybe but not a planer. I upgraded from the 12.5" dewalt to a 13" jet planer/moulder, if it weren't for the need to make moulding I'd have gone for a similarly priced 16" planer. Just can't image the need for a 20" planer, anything smaller would have always fit in a 15 or 16" planer and the few times was a real nuisance only having a 12.5". OTOH any time I had something that was actually wide to plane it wouldn't fit in a 20" and even if it could weight wise I wouldn't want to try. Typically a benchtop or counter top which tend to be 24" wide or a tabletop which can be wider. I think a large part of the popularity of 13" for a lunchbox planer is that it will accommodate most projects and anything it doesn't 95% of the time (based on my experience) you need some really big equipment. To me this hinders the deal.
However I've had plenty of need to joint 7-10" boards and even a couple of 11-12" so I do wish for that size jointer, usually I have to joint the center of a much wider board then send it through the planer riding on a board in the jointed section, so annoying, this is what I'd being dealing for if anything.
Biggest issue is they're grizzly, I couldn't get them to warranty a burned up motor since I didn't have the receipt showing it was purchased less then a year ago, their info plate on the motor showed that it had been made less then a year prior but that wasn't proof enough it was less then a year old. Even trying to find out information to make a purchase their customer service reps were rude and uncaring. I freely admit I love the bandsaw I bought from them but I'd never send them another dime for a tool. Ultimately I wouldn't give up better quality anything for grizzly especially if I have to pay as well. With their sales you could buy what you need new with 2300, or from Baileigh or Jet.
 
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Baileigh is about the worst option possible, priced like a domestic product, built like bottom barrel Asian imports. Avoid at all cost.
 

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The planer is a wash. Better capacity, longer service life of the planer itself vs better finish, smaller footprint, easier blade replacement. Keep in mind that you'll need better DC for the big planer, if you don't already have it.... then that's more money.

The jointer is a no brainer, IF you have the space. A 12" 'American' style jointer has pretty long beds. Going from a 6" to a 12" jointer was liberating for me. Now, is it worth the $$? If you like the idea of the deal, then noodle on the how much less you can sweeten the pot with so he'll take the deal. Remember, he's the one who needs to free up space.
 
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bassman2

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Thanks for all of the good replies. Made me think this through a bit more. I am paying too much, but I have a real need for the bigger machines. I'm sitting on a semi truck load of white oak planks. Some are over 24" wide... or should I say, half are over 24" and 14' long.

I'm talking with my electrician tomorrow to figure out if I an get enough power to add these two machines in my shop. That will make my decision for me.
 
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bassman2

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More details for you guys with questions. His machines are less than 3 months old. My powermatic 6" is new asian....
 
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