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I was out on a job on friday, and went to a shopping mall across the street for lunch. This mall had a Sears store, and I saw a big sign advertising Sears' "Drive in automotive service", where there is no need to make an appointment. There were arrows with smaller such signs leading to the entrance overhead door for Sears' service area. I thaught that sears just did tires and batteries, but I guess they attempt more now. God, I cant imagine what kinds of things they screw up with peoples cars.

To make it even more funny, there was a Snap On truck parked along the curb ust outside of the Sears service entrance. Now thats something I wish I had a camera for.

Would you let sears anywhere near your car?
 
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Nope, then again, I don't let anyone besides me, or a VERY trusted few, anywhere near my vehicles.
 

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Not me, my dad used them occasionally through the years but they really ticked him off big doing some struts on his Buick a while back, so now he has finally learned not to let them work on his car.
 

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Depends on the actual shop and the person doing the work.

There's one near me that I had them put tires on my Dodge, no problems. A guy I work with had the front end of his Taurus rebuilt there and was happy with the work.

I've personally never had them do any major work on my cars though.
 
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I bet they **** as bad as midas , pep boys , firestone , goodyear

Um, its Sears, they **** more. After my last few (and final) dealings with Sears management, I could see them saying something like "Oh well, sorry about that" and walking away with no solution to offer, after they screw up.
 

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Actually, I will buy tires from them if the price is right, and occasionally they have great prices on Monroe shocks, (course they never install the shocks though, I cash and carry only)
 

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I bet they **** as bad as midas , pep boys , firestone , goodyear
There is something to be said for using nationwide chains for certain types of repairs if you do a lot of travel. I like getting a lifetime balance and/or alignment associated with a new set of tires, so sometimes that gives them as edge if they offer it.

Midas, never.

Pepboys, all the time various cars, but only certain areas and certain cars. They are my cheap choice, and while they had cheap tires I liked they also got most of my tire/wheel related repairs.

Firestone, wow do I miss this place. Parnelli Jones Firestone had a policy that the manager was authorized to solve ANY problem a customer had. They weren't perfect, but stood behind everything 100%, and didn't just fix our cars, they took care of them. I stayed with them until the manager I liked retired.

Goodyear, at least in SoCal used to be known for paying the lowest wages and having the highest turnover. They touch NOTHING of mine.

Kmart used to have a "decent" shop associated with them operated by Penske, but I never used them for more than Mobil 1 oil changes.

Sears, Some stuff, nothing recently except for batteries. They do have the Hunter 400 alignment system in a lot of stores, and that appears idiot proof, and has provided good results for a lot of picky owners I know.

Its all about how the shop is managed. I've had dealer service that was exceptional and I would use again in a minute, but right now I am trying to do a lot of the work myself, and use two small independent shops for everything else.
 
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yeah , bet those aligments are done right
set the toe and let her go .......
since they pay about ten bucks an hour [or more]less than dealers , i bet there is a good amount of illegal aliens in the shop
 

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I'm not talking toe, these guys are getting 4 wheel thrust alignments, and are not easy to please. No mechanical talent required, each step I think is shown on a screen and tells the tech exactly what to do on what.

Auto mechanic in a tire shop isn't the career magnet for the typical WASP that it may have been in the past.
 

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Back around 1975 my mom took her car to Sears in Florida to get a battery. They said that she also needed a alternator and starter replacement. Since I was 1500 miles away, I couldn't help with the situation. Problem was that even after it was repaired, the battery still went dead. I reluctantly decided that a road trip was in order, so I drove down there to "fix" the car. What I did find was that the trunk light was stuck in the on position, and it was draining the battery. Now it really gets interesting, because Sears had charged the battery a number of times, but they could never fix the problem, because they were incompetent to say the least. I decided to take the car back to Sears for a replacement battery, since it was still under warranty. I just walked up to the counter, and said that I needed a new battery. I didn't mention warranty, or anything else. After the car was in the "shop", the sales person came to me and said that it needed a new alternator and starter also. I said to put in whatever it needed. After they did the work, they presented me with the bill. I presented them with the previous invoice showing that all these parts had already been replaced, and that they were still covered under the Sears warranty. Then he said to me, "Why didn't you tell me the parts had already been replaced?". I told him, that if he said that they needed to be replaced, that I took his statement to be valid, and it needed them. He knew that I knew that he had been caught in a lie, and an illegal act. He did try to push me to paying for everything, until I informed him that I was ready to go to jail before I would pay him a dime, and that he was the one guilty of fraud, not me. If it didn't need the parts, then he shouldn't have told me that it did. He then tried to put the car back into the shop to remove the new parts and put the old ones back on. With that, I flagged down a Broward County Sheriffs vehicle and told the officer that they were trying to steal parts off my car. I explained what had happened, and he had a few words with them. I was then told to just leave. I told my mom never to go back there again. The problem that I see is that there are some people and business's that will take advantage of the unsuspecting senior citizens.
 

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I wouldn't let them check the air in my tires let alone work on it, I have a few friends in the Auto parts biz and they told me they buy the cheapest **** ( Brake pads, rotors, etc )and and charge the customer 5 times the list price:yikes: . Especially the senior citizens as listed above. :sad:
 

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Depends on the actual shop and the person doing the work.

and the store. Two of the few jobs I have had done for me were done at a Sears and were more than acceptable. I would not give that as a blanket statement covering all stores. The work was better on those jobs than a couple highly reccommended places with more certifications than can be listed.
 

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I would go to a Sears shop for some tires, as with a lot of other shops. But here in Michigan it pays to have a go-to site for the winter months. I perfer the smaller independent shops. A service garge with 2 or 3 hoists. These guys live or die based on your recommendations and I've found them to be pretty fair on price and great when it comes to fixing the vehicle. In the past any time I've been to a "chain" store for more than tires they always came and visited me in the waiting room with additional things they found wrong.
 

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I would go to a Sears shop for some tires, as with a lot of other shops. But here in Michigan it pays to have a go-to site for the winter months. I perfer the smaller independent shops. A service garge with 2 or 3 hoists. These guys live or die based on your recommendations and I've found them to be pretty fair on price and great when it comes to fixing the vehicle. In the past any time I've been to a "chain" store for more than tires they always came and visited me in the waiting room with additional things they found wrong.

Roger that. I am lucky to have an excellent auto repair shop owner in my town (he sings bass in a church choir that I conduct) and I would trust him with basically anything. Never had much luck with the chains stores myself... too much tech turnover. The good ones never stay (for obvious reasons).
 

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The Sears near me does a good job with alignments on my truck, and they typically get it done in an hour or two, and supply the printout of specs. One time I took it to a "real" mechanic/shop. First they sent me home to put the stock tires on it, then they did a poor job. I took it back and they claimed it was still right, but the truck didn't drive straight...on stock or aftermarket wheels/tires. But everytime I go to Sears they take it with the aftermarket wheels and it drives straight when I leave. Any other repairs I do myself, so I can't comment on their quality outside of the alignment bay.
 
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I perfer the smaller independent shops. A service garge with 2 or 3 hoists. These guys live or die based on your recommendations and I've found them to be pretty fair on price and great when it comes to fixing the vehicle. In the past any time I've been to a "chain" store for more than tires they always came and visited me in the waiting room with additional things they found wrong.

Totaly agree. For anything I cant or dont want to do myself, I have a local shop thats awsome. Their hourly rate is slightly higer than average, but the work is always right the first time, and they have been 100% honest since day one.
 
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Would you let the McDonald's-caliber "technicians" at Jiffy Lube/Lube Express/Oil Can Henry's do more than change the oil on your vehicle?

I think I'd trust the Sears goons to do more than the oil change places, but I still don't think I'd let them do anything important on my car.

Hell, I'm stopped using the lube places, too - I can convert a vehicle over to Mobil 1 synthetic and maintain it for cheaper than it costs me to drive in to the Jiffy Lube and get regular dino-oil these days. They want $60-$70 to change the oil to synthetic in my cars, they won't stay out of my transmission and differentials ("Gotta show you the fluid!" - even though Jiffy Lube got kicked in the nuts (in California, if not elsewhere) for using fluid color as a sales tool) and they won't take no for an answer when I drive up and say "Oil change only, don't want anything else, don't offer anything else, don't check anything else - and that includes the tires and washer fluid."

For the really big important ****, I've got a local dealership with quality techs there, and a VERY reasonable shop rate. Outside of that, I know of a couple really good independent shops that I can always go to.
 
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No, the only work I have let someone else do is rebuild a transmission and after that experience I won't do that again. I figure I can usually buy the tools and parts cheaper and do a better job than most shops.
 
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so , your saying the uncertified retards at sears do a better job aligning cars than the good guys ?? how do you know they are doing anything , ever see a a 'keyboard algnment' ?you can eneter all your own specs on the printout on hunter machines ,don't even have to take a wrench to the car , printout says it's aligned ......
 

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so , your saying the uncertified retards at sears do a better job aligning cars than the good guys ??

Yeah, pretty much that is what I am saying.

Plenty of good shops screw up the alignment on a Porsche 928, its very sensitive to ride height, and many of the adjustments interact, so a certain sequence needs to be followed in making changes. Most of us drive the cars hard enough to notice problems quickly, and I have heard only positive reports for Sears using the Hunter 400.

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928 takes 8 quarts or so of oil. One of the other owners takes his car to the local tire store known for good service, talks to the manager to make sure they know what it needs and pays for a Mobil 1 oil change. Manager writes +3 qts on the ticket, and half hour later they tell him its ready. He hops in, and heads for home, and about 10 miles away starts to hear a funny sound and pulls off to the side and calls the shop on his cell phone. Manager listens to the car, is sure nothing is wrong, but tells him to drive it back to the shop and they can check it if he is concerned. The tech put 3 qts in instead of 8. Shop ended up buying him a good used motor and putting it in free.
 

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There are three level of tech at Sears. They don't let a tire, oil, and battery tech (tech-1) to do a Alignment or brakes thats is a Tech-3 job.
And no it not a toe and go alignment it is a full all out alignment
 

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928 takes 8 quarts or so of oil. One of the other owners takes his car to the local tire store known for good service, talks to the manager to make sure they know what it needs and pays for a Mobil 1 oil change. Manager writes +3 qts on the ticket, and half hour later they tell him its ready. He hops in, and heads for home, and about 10 miles away starts to hear a funny sound and pulls off to the side and calls the shop on his cell phone. Manager listens to the car, is sure nothing is wrong, but tells him to drive it back to the shop and they can check it if he is concerned. The tech put 3 qts in instead of 8. Shop ended up buying him a good used motor and putting it in free.

If I don't change the oil myself, I always check it before I leave to make sure that it is correct. My Benz holds 8 quarts, and one of the quick change oil shops only put in 5 and charged me for 8. I told them so, and they said that if they put in another 3 it would be overfilled, and that the dip stick was wrong. I said to drain it and measure what they took out and it would prove my point. They did drain it, but didn't measure it. Then they put in the 8 quarts, and checked the dip stick and it read exactly on the mark. In this case, the manager was a dip sh*t for not just adding 3 quarts and then checking the dip stick..... That was when I didn't have time to do all my own work. Retirement is great. Now I get to do everything.... Junk
 

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The only times in my life I have had cars/trucks in a shop is for tires, and alignments. I now have a tire machine so they only go to a shop for alignments. Everything else is worked on by me in my shop.
 
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wow , sears is not the sleazy junkyard of fraud it is reported in the news to be , I don't believe it for a minute !!!!:)
as a GM /Toyota/School Bus tech with 25 years of experience , I can assure you that flat rate freddy is just as dishonest at sears as he is at ford , pep boys , chevy or exxon .
it is luck of the draw if you find a good guy or a bad guy
I just don't think sears pays enought to hire decent techs , and I know hundreds of them , nobody I know , outside of moonlighting parts countermen , have worked at a department store shop
 

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The Sears over in the next big town has a good reputation for service work. The places with the worst are Pep Boys, Todds Tires and Firestone. I hate the Firestone place. Last time they did an alignment for me, they lost two lugnuts and replaced them with ones with a different outside diameter and didn't tell me. That same week, my wife had a flat and the truck lug wrench naturally wouldn't fit the two new lug nuts.

When I went back to the Firestone, the desk clerk tried to play dumb. When I started telling the people in the waiting room what happened, he got smart real fast and got a manager out to see me. They got me new lug nuts from the Dodge dealer and offered me a free oil change. I took the lug nuts and told them to keep the oil change.

Firestone also charged a buddy of mine 420 a piece to adjust his headlights when he got his car inspected. Two independent owned garages have the best reps. Both have waiting lists of 10 days to two weeks to get a vehicle in. One is so clean it looks like a NASCAR shop. The other always looks like a bomb was dropped on it. But both have excellent reputations for doing A+ work at a very fair price.

When I was in college, the guy I commuted with worked at Jiffy Lube. He said they bought at least one engine a month due to an employee not putting oil back in the engine.

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“Drive right in, no appointment necessary” is almost never a sign you will see at a quality shop. The shops I worked in some years back were busy enough that there was little incentive to do unnecessary repairs. It was hard enough to keep up with the work we had booked. These were honest repair shops- we only lied on rare occasions to cover up our own stupid mistakes.;)
 

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I won't even take my TDI to a dealer for service... the chances of me taking anything to a Sears for work is between slim and none...

To the OP: Sears has been doing automotive service for decades... longer than most (if not all) of us on this board have been alive.
 

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Wow, this one is too good to pass up! I'll apologize right now in case I end up making this run on too long. About twenty-so years ago, I was a strugling college student, and needed a part time job to make ends meet. The student employment office told me the local Sears was looking for help and I should go apply. I was a business major, but they found out in the interview that I messed with cars, so they hired me and put me back in the automotive department. This Sears was like the smallest one in the state, holed up in three adjacent old downtown buildings with a two bay shop. Mostly, we did tires, batteries, shocks, mufflers and oil changes. At that time, MacPherson struts were coming into place, and we did those too, except we picked the new struts up off the shelf and drove the car down to a Bear Frame shop and let them do it. Of my time there, two incidents stand out most.
First- One day another college kid and I were manning the shop and I had gone for lunch. I came back to find that my cohort was finishing up an oil change on a cherry '69 Olds 4-4-2 convertible. We did actually try to be conscientious, and he asked me to back this beauty out of the shop since I was relatively clean and he wasn't. I started her up and was easing out on the clutch to back this wonderful ride out, all the time thinking that it was too bad that the owner was too cheap to take his pride and joy to a real mechanic. Backing out was a somewhat slow process as you had to bounce the front end over a good sized hump between the lift posts and carefully creep across the sidewalk as we were downtown and pedestrians were all over the place. About the time I had the nose of the car out the door, my partner started screaming and waving his arms wildly. He wanted me to bring it back in NOW. Seems he installed the wrong filter and the Rocket was pumping out crude like the Exxon Valdez! We wheeled it back in, shut it off, installed a new filter (the right one this time) and refilled it, and gave it back to the customer without breathing a word of what happened. I don't THINK it ran enough to cause damage, but we never got to that point.
Second- I think this was like the day before Thanksgiving or Christmas. The regular mechanic was on vacation, and command of the shop was turned over to one of my college cohorts and myself. The sales clerks thought we could work at or near the pace of a NASCAR pit crew, so they typically stacked up work three deep at the door. We were running short of day and we still had a muffler install to do on a Chevelle. For those who don't remember, this was back in the day of the Sears "Muzzler" muffler, a $19.99 all-day, every-day special. Basically they had about 5 or 6 different mufflers based on the cannister size and inlet/outlet diameter. "Custom" fit was achieved by using one or more of a seemingly endless supply of adaptors and clamps. (No extra charge!) On the Chevelles, the extension pipe went back in line with the car, then jogged at a '45 for 6 inches or so, then '45 back to go straight into the muffler. Everything was welded together. The trick was to get a 45 degree adapter and cut the extension pipe in the middle of the 6 inch jog using a sawzall with a pipe clamp. (They actually had a book that laid all of this out for us.) Since we were behind, the department manager (a great guy, but clearly no mechanic) came out to "help". I still can see the vision of him in slacks, white shirt, tie and a cigarette in his mouth, grabbing the sawzall to go cut that pipe. He went to cut the entire jog off and I tried to convince him that wasn't the right place to cut. He persisted and I gave in since he was the boss. I cringed watching him drop the entire mess clinching the cigarette in his mouth the whole time. I got the muffler and appropriate adapter and clamps and handed them to him. He laid the muffler up and now realized that the muffler wouldn't lay in at a 45 degree angle to the car. After a few swear words, a couple more adapters, some imprompteau frabrication, a couple more cigarettes and a half dozen clamps, our unsuspecting customer was on his way for $19.99 + tax.
Not only did I have a great time working there, I earned some college credits and got a good education- namely, don't take your car to Sears if you care about it in the least little bit!
 

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Wow, this one is too good to pass up! I'll apologize right now in case I end up making this run on too long. About twenty-so years ago, I was a strugling college student, and needed a part time job to make ends meet. The student employment office told me the local Sears was looking for help and I should go apply. I was a business major, but they found out in the interview that I messed with cars, so they hired me and put me back in the automotive department. This Sears was like the smallest one in the state, holed up in three adjacent old downtown buildings with a two bay shop. Mostly, we did tires, batteries, shocks, mufflers and oil changes. At that time, MacPherson struts were coming into place, and we did those too, except we picked the new struts up off the shelf and drove the car down to a Bear Frame shop and let them do it. Of my time there, two incidents stand out most.
First- One day another college kid and I were manning the shop and I had gone for lunch. I came back to find that my cohort was finishing up an oil change on a cherry '69 Olds 4-4-2 convertible. We did actually try to be conscientious, and he asked me to back this beauty out of the shop since I was relatively clean and he wasn't. I started her up and was easing out on the clutch to back this wonderful ride out, all the time thinking that it was too bad that the owner was too cheap to take his pride and joy to a real mechanic. Backing out was a somewhat slow process as you had to bounce the front end over a good sized hump between the lift posts and carefully creep across the sidewalk as we were downtown and pedestrians were all over the place. About the time I had the nose of the car out the door, my partner started screaming and waving his arms wildly. He wanted me to bring it back in NOW. Seems he installed the wrong filter and the Rocket was pumping out crude like the Exxon Valdez! We wheeled it back in, shut it off, installed a new filter (the right one this time) and refilled it, and gave it back to the customer without breathing a word of what happened. I don't THINK it ran enough to cause damage, but we never got to that point.
Second- I think this was like the day before Thanksgiving or Christmas. The regular mechanic was on vacation, and command of the shop was turned over to one of my college cohorts and myself. The sales clerks thought we could work at or near the pace of a NASCAR pit crew, so they typically stacked up work three deep at the door. We were running short of day and we still had a muffler install to do on a Chevelle. For those who don't remember, this was back in the day of the Sears "Muzzler" muffler, a $19.99 all-day, every-day special. Basically they had about 5 or 6 different mufflers based on the cannister size and inlet/outlet diameter. "Custom" fit was achieved by using one or more of a seemingly endless supply of adaptors and clamps. (No extra charge!) On the Chevelles, the extension pipe went back in line with the car, then jogged at a '45 for 6 inches or so, then '45 back to go straight into the muffler. Everything was welded together. The trick was to get a 45 degree adapter and cut the extension pipe in the middle of the 6 inch jog using a sawzall with a pipe clamp. (They actually had a book that laid all of this out for us.) Since we were behind, the department manager (a great guy, but clearly no mechanic) came out to "help". I still can see the vision of him in slacks, white shirt, tie and a cigarette in his mouth, grabbing the sawzall to go cut that pipe. He went to cut the entire jog off and I tried to convince him that wasn't the right place to cut. He persisted and I gave in since he was the boss. I cringed watching him drop the entire mess clinching the cigarette in his mouth the whole time. I got the muffler and appropriate adapter and clamps and handed them to him. He laid the muffler up and now realized that the muffler wouldn't lay in at a 45 degree angle to the car. After a few swear words, a couple more adapters, some imprompteau frabrication, a couple more cigarettes and a half dozen clamps, our unsuspecting customer was on his way for $19.99 + tax.
Not only did I have a great time working there, I earned some college credits and got a good education- namely, don't take your car to Sears if you care about it in the least little bit!

Maybe so.... but at least when you worked there you tried to be conscientious. :beer:
 

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Man that Muzzler Sears offered in the day reference by IMCA38 was the bomb! My pop put one on a 68 Buick Lesabre right after he got it along with the factory resonator (bet no young guy know what the heck that is!) we kept that car most of 20 years and never bought another muffler or as I recall resonator; pop and me would jerk the worn out ones then swap for new with Sears and do the installs ourselves. As I recall those resonators never made it much past a year and we eventually quit replacing them all together simply because of the inconvenience even though we got em free.
 

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Resurrecting an old thread…but what the hell.

One summer (1987) when I was in college I worked for Sears as a Service Advisor in the automotive department. The SA’s job was the go between of the customer and the mechanic. What is key here is that the SA worked on an hourly wage and a commission. I was just a college student doing the job to kill a summer and make some fun money. The other SAs were supporting families and this was their bread and butter.

I saw many times when parts (shocks, struts, suspension components, exhaust, clutch, etc.) were replace that did not need to be. A customer would come in wanting a front end alignment and would leave with a new front suspension and a BIG hole in their wallet. I did not take part in this ****. The only way I was able to live with working in that environment was that the parts were new that were replaced.

The mechanics also worked on commission so they were more than happy to run up the bill. Now there were some that would not do this but they were in the minority.

I made a mistake one day in selling tires to a customer. SA were not supposed to sell tires as that was the tire salesman’s commission. I quickly found out how nasty people can be when you accidently cost them a few dollars.

Working as a SA at Sears was a valuable education for me as to how the world works if you do not have a good education (several of the other SAs were not HS grads and had limited options). I was much more motivated once back at school to get my degree.
 
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