Wow, just wow (ebay rant)

[iandh]

So, I've been thinking about picking up a Titanium hammer since I have a bad shoulder, and I've heard good things about them regarding that.

I'm not sure if I really want to go with a Chinese made Stilleto, so I'm going to probably go with the Dalluge.

An ebay seller has a new old stock Dalluge (the 14oz. x 15" handle) for $62.50 with an outrageous shipping price of $20. He also charges tax in California, so if I buy this hammer from him, it's going to cost me $82.50, when I can buy the same hammer brand new from Amazon for only $7 more ($82.50 vs. $90).

Anyways, he has his auction listed as best offer, so I offer him $52.50, which would bring the total to $72.50. The guy counteroffers with $60.

Why would you put the "best offer" option on your auction, and then when someone gives you a reasonable offer, come back with basically the same price the item is listed for? My offer was NOT out of line, and quite frankly this guy's price is. You can buy a new hammer from Amazon for nearly the same price.

I get that this is a negotiation and I can come back with another offer. The problem is, anything over what I offered is ridiculous for this item, seeing what the new price is from Amazon.

I know this goes with the territory, and it's with this guy's rights to counter-offer whatever he wants, but why the hell would he even make the option available if he's such a tightwad that he can barely stand to discount more than 2 freaking dollars, especially considering what the item goes for new from resellers? Wow.

 

[colt zantop]

I would offer him 50.00 next time....he will catch on sooner or later!

 

[Strouty]

You should counter with $62.50 including shipping. If he takes that, then you are good to go. Otherwise just bite the bullet and buy the new one.

 

[Joelfke]

I feel your pain. I was looking at a screwdriver set for 110 obo. i offered 90. he counteroffered with 109.50.....

 

[iandh]

I feel your pain. I was looking at a screwdriver set for 110 obo. i offered 90. he counteroffered with 109.50.....

See, why the HELL even bother taking offers, when you know deep down in your heart that you're such a tightwad, you can't stand the thought of taking less for the item?



These folks are the kind of people who refuse to take 380K offers on their 400k house, so they end up having it on the market for 10 years, and when the market drops they end up having to sell the house for $200k.

People are so stupid they can't even tell the difference between making money and losing money.

 

[sawatch]

I have aways offered a really low price, as much as 50%, and see what he'd come back with, then there's room if you want to continue. The seller can put an acceptance price on offers too so you can keep uping your offer if it's automatically declined. I've had a couple offers automatically accepted at 50% too, made me wonder if I could have gotten it for less, but it was a good price so was my gain.

 

[scheu]

"See, why the HELL even bother taking offers, when you know deep down in your heart that you're such a tightwad, you can't stand the thought of taking less for the item?"

Exactly!! I've run into this more than once. Make a reasonable offer and the counter offer is .50 less than the original price. I make it a point not to buy from them and spend the time finding it elsewhere for the same amount (or less).
scheu

 

[Boiler]

$20 to ship a hammer across the country? Doesn't sound so bad to me. As an individual that sometimes sells stuff on ebay, shipping to california always costs me $10+ postage, and thats flat rate. He also has packing material cost, label cost, ink / toner, god knows what else that goes into shipping something. Maybe he figures his ebay / paypal fees as fixed and adds them to the shipping cost.

The point is, it doesn't sound terribly out of line, and you just have to factor that into the price you're willing to spend. I just can't see getting that bent out of shape over somones prices. Also, if his margins are small enough, he might be giving you 25% of his profit by knocking off $2.50.

Finally, cheaper than amazon for a new item can be difficult to find. How much cheaper than Amazon should he be?

 

[iandh]

"See, why the HELL even bother taking offers, when you know deep down in your heart that you're such a tightwad, you can't stand the thought of taking less for the item?"

Exactly!! I've run into this more than once. Make a reasonable offer and the counter offer is .50 less than the original price. I make it a point not to buy from them and spend the time finding it elsewhere for the same amount (or less).
scheu

Yep, I'm not even going to respond to his counter. I'm in no hurry whatsoever to buy, and the only reason i considered buying from him was that if he took the offer the price would be decent. Not great, just decent.

Not to mention which, that hammer could be quite old... Vaughan bought out Dalluge some time ago, and the Dalluge Titaniums haven't been made with the gold print inlay in the head for a long time, from what I can gather.

So basically, this jackass wants me to pay full retail for an old-*** hammer of questionable origin (meaning I don't know where, or how long ago it came from), when I can get a guaranteed new version for almost the same exact price.

Yeah, that's going to happen.

$20 to ship a hammer across the country? Doesn't sound so bad to me. As an individual that sometimes sells stuff on ebay, shipping to california always costs me $10+ postage, and thats flat rate. He also has packing material cost, label cost, ink / toner, god knows what else that goes into shipping something. Maybe he figures his ebay / paypal fees as fixed and adds them to the shipping cost.

The point is, it doesn't sound terribly out of line, and you just have to factor that into the price you're willing to spend. I just can't see getting that bent out of shape over somones prices. Also, if his margins are small enough, he might be giving you 25% of his profit by knocking off $2.50.

Finally, cheaper than amazon for a new item can be difficult to find. How much cheaper than Amazon should he be?

Across the country? We're in the same state, and it only costs about $7 to ship 2-3lbs. I'm in so-cal and he's in central california.

Not only is the shipping price double what it should be, it's actually TRIPLE what it should be.

Not to mention which, I found his Craigslist ad for the hammer, and he's willing to take $70 picked up. That right there tells how much he's actually paying for shipping.



If he was local, $70 picked up is actually a pretty good price. But when he's charging $60+20+tax on ebay, um, NO.

As far as how much cheaper an item should be than Amazon, cheap enough so you can't comfortably say they're almost the same.

 

[Boiler]

Not to mention which, I found his Craigslist ad for the hammer, and he's willing to take $70 picked up.

Yeah, sounds like he's avoiding some fees by padding his shipping and lowering his price. Pretty common.

Accept his counteroffer and ask when he'd like you to pick it up...

 

[iandh]

Yeah, sounds like he's avoiding some fees by padding his shipping and lowering his price. Pretty common.

Accept his counteroffer and ask when he'd like you to pick it up...

Yep, that's exactly what he's doing, which is fine. But like I said, If he's only willing to go for 8% less total than what Amazon can do, I'll go with amazon. At least then I can use my credit card and get rewards.

My main point of this thread was that $2 off a $62 item is an insult, not an offer. If that's the lowest he's willing to go, what's the point of even making offers an option?

Someone mentioned above that maybe his profit margin is tight, but if it's that tight, he should just sit on the item at asking price until it sells. Somebody will buy it eventually, it just won't be me.

 

[supertooljunkie]

I would just buy the NEW hammer from Amazon, have a warranty, and screw this putz. A little more money......allot less hassle. My .02

And have a good day!

 

[shotgunfatcat]

Your bags are going to be off by 2 oz. now. what to do......

 

[iandh]

Your bags are going to be off by 2 oz. now. what to do......

I'm not sure, I was thinking about that though.

I may still go with the Stilleto, but I've heard horror stories about the handles snapping and the heads falling off.

 

[Hiball]

Life is Way to short to get competely and uderly worked up over a Item on Ebay. Its been proven over and over and over that there are Whack Jobs on Ebay that will Pay List or More on items. I would counter, and explain to him that it would fit in a Med (type 2) flat rate box and could be shipped for much less than $20 bucks. If he declines your offer again Move on, No need to stroke out over it.

 

[shotgunfatcat]

I don't think you will look good in them, but be my guess....I would be more worried about twisting an ankle.

 

[iandh]

Life is Way to short to get competely and uderly worked up over a Item on Ebay. Its been proven over and over and over that there are Whack Jobs on Ebay that will Pay List or More on items. I would counter, and explain to him that it would fit in a Med (type 2) flat rate box and could be shipped for much less than $20 bucks. If he declines your offer again Move on, No need to stroke out over it.

It's not just a single item, it's a continuous, unrelenting stream of morons, ruining a site that I once loved to use, both as a seller and a buyer. This just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and triggered a rant.

I understand that an item is only worth what a person is willing to pay... but when you bring morons into the equation, then the "proper" worth of an item no longer is part of the calculations.

It makes me mourn for the future of humanity.

 

[Chadro]

I hate Ebay, I always get showered with advice I don't want and smart assed comments. I was trying to sell something that was in like new condition for $250 that retailed for $375 and people were bombarding me with "thats only $125 off, nobody is gonna buy that" and blah blah blah. If your not asking me a question about the item, STFU.

 

[Hiball]

It's not just a single item, it's a continuous, unrelenting stream of morons, ruining a site that I once loved to use, both as a seller and a buyer. This just happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and triggered a rant.

I understand that an item is only worth what a person is willing to pay... but when you bring morons into the equation, then the "proper" worth of an item no longer is part of the calculations.

It makes me mourn for the future of humanity.

Exaggerated shipping charges our nothing new to ebay, People learned how to beat the system rather quickly. Lemme run this by you, He sells the hammer to you for $62 (his counter) He is gonna net $52 dollars after the sale and Paypal/Ebay fee's, +/- the $8 dollar handling fee that could cover anything from tape to gas and his time. So he is selling you a hammer that retails for $120 bucks that can be bought on sale at amazon for $90 shipped for $60 bucks in his wallet. I dont see the problem my friend, Not everything in life is a "Free Ride" "Awesome Find" . There is a cost to do business and i would venture his price point is probably around where it has to be to make any money, I honestly dont feel like He is out of line or a *****. I would ask if you Do? But its obvious someone wanting to make 50% of Retail is Crazy... ... Ill sure be glad when i can buy my New Snap on tools, Vehicles at 50% of List.

 

[iandh]

Exaggerated shipping charges our nothing new to ebay, People learned how to beat the system rather quickly. Lemme run this by you, He sells the hammer to you for $62 (his counter) He is gonna net $52 dollars after the sale and Paypal/Ebay fee's, +/- the $8 dollar handling fee that could cover anything from tape to gas and his time. So he is selling you a hammer that retails for $120 bucks that can be bought on sale at amazon for $90 shipped for $60 bucks in his wallet. I dont see the problem my friend, Not everything in life is a "Free Ride" "Awesome Find" . There is a cost to do business and i would venture his price point is probably around where it has to be to make any money, I honestly dont feel like He is out of line or a *****. I would ask if you Do? But its obvious someone wanting to make 50% of Retail is Crazy... ... Ill sure be glad when i can buy my New Snap on tools, Vehicles at 50% of List.

First off, with his counter offer and padded shipping, he'll be pocketing $73 before fees, and over $60 after.

Secondly, what he ends up with afterwards is NOT my problem. I'm the customer. I don't give a flying **** how much he ends up with, I care about how much is missing from my wallet when the sale is done.

I am NOT going to pay near the same price I can buy the item for on Amazon just to be nice to some guy I've never met. What the hammer sells for at full retail is irrelevant, his customers are generally going to be bargain shoppers, and bargain shoppers WILL find the lowest price, no matter who has it.

I don't need to be told about the cost to do business... I run a successful manufacturing and resale business, and I know damn well what it costs, or else I wouldn't still be IN business.

I'm not looking for a "free ride" or "awesome find", all my offer reflected was a price good enough to entice me away from purchasing the item elsewhere.


Finally, as I mentioned above, you're still completely missing the point of my thread. The point was that if he isn't willing to deal, WHY DID HE ADD THE OFFER OPTION? *That* is what I'm complaining about...



Us agreeing to disagree is just fine with me, but please don't act as if I'm some self-entitled **** for complaining... there's obviously quite a few folks in the thread that feel exactly the same way I do, especially about the best offer thing.

I hate Ebay, I always get showered with advice I don't want and smart assed comments. I was trying to sell something that was in like new condition for $250 that retailed for $375 and people were bombarding me with "thats only $125 off, nobody is gonna buy that" and blah blah blah. If your not asking me a question about the item, STFU.

See, THAT is a REASONABLE price. In general, a new or used unpackaged item, in pefect condition, from a private or semi-private seller, should be sold at 60-70% of new cost including all shipping, taxes and fees.

This hammer guy wants 91%. That's absurd compared to the normal baseline for the market. Hence, I will not be purhasing his item. If I had gotten the offer accepted, it would have brought the item down close to the range of normal, and I would have purchased it immediately.


Even Snap-on products, one of the highest resale value tools there is, sell for 20-30% off retail even if brand new.

 

[Corvette Cave]

I feel your pain. Just this week I bid on a Wilton Vice. Great deal until the seller cancelled the auction with just a few hours to go. Can they get away with that?


Wish someone would compete with feebay.

 

[Hiball]

First off, with his counter offer and padded shipping, he'll be pocketing $73 before fees, and over $60 after.

$62 dollar Offer Price - Paypal/Ebay fee's = $51 and some change, I figure it would cost at least $12 to ship including Tracking so again we are at $60 Net Profit after its shipped not counting Packaging products, Gas, Time etc.

Secondly, what he ends up with afterwards is NOT my problem. I'm the customer. I don't give a flying **** how much he ends up with, I care about how much is missing from my wallet when the sale is done.

LOL... Err.. All you care about is Numer 1... Correct? Well the Seller is #1 in this sitsuation.

I am NOT going to pay near the same price I can buy the item for on Amazon just to be nice to some guy I've never met. What the hammer sells for retail is irrelevant, his customers are generally going to be bargain shoppers, and bargain shoppers WILL find the lowest price, no matter who has it.

Ebay is littered with sellers selling near Retail, If i can save 10% or More by buying off ebay i will if its something i need. Obviously im not alone otherwise these people couldnt afford to keep listing stuff over and over.

I'm not looking for a "free ride" or "awesome find", all my offer reflected was a price good enough to entice me away from purchasing the item elsewhere.

So you would give more money for a item just to buy it from the big box store? I realize you are saving only $8 bucks but its still a savings. Of course you have to weigh the options on if the risk is worth the reward based on a numerous amount of factors including Feedback etc..

Finally, as I mentioned above, you're still completely missing the point of my thread. The point was that if he isn't willing to deal, WHY DID HE ADD THE OFFER OPTION?

He did offer a lower price, It just wasnt good enough for you. Correct? Again I dont see the need to bash the guy. If you dont like his price keep looking, its as simple as that.

 

[iandh]

$62 dollar Offer Price - Paypal/Ebay fee's = $51 and some change, I figure it would cost at least $12 to ship including Tracking so again we are at $60 Net Profit after its shipped not counting Packaging products, Gas, Time etc..

Shipping would be $7-8 UPS ground or parcel post. I ship daily, nationally and internationally. I would have felt a hell of a lot better if he'd just calculated shipping and added a $5 handling fee, at least it would be fair to everyone then.

He'll be pocketing $60 at minimum, likely closer to $63-64.

LOL... Err.. All you care about is Numer 1... Correct? Well the Seller is #1 in this sitsuation.

Err, of course. This guy volunteered to list his item on ebay, and he volunteered to pay the exorbitant fees that he'll be charged upon completion of the sale. It's not my problem, period.

Ebay is littered with sellers selling near Retail, If i can save 10% or More by buying off ebay i will if its something i need. Obviously im not alone otherwise these people couldnt afford to keep listing stuff over and over..

10% or more... this guy hasn't even hit that mark.

So you would give more money for a item just to buy it from the big box store? I realize you are saving only $8 bucks but its still a savings. Of course you have to weigh the options on if the risk is worth the reward based on a numerous amount of factors including Feedback etc...

There are more advantages for me, to purchase from Amazon for slightly more, than there are for me to purchase from this guy. The whole point of the offer I made was to tilt the advantage in his favor, but he didn't want to play ball.

He did offer a lower price, It just wasnt good enough for you. Correct? Again I dont see the need to bash the guy. If you dont like his price keep looking, its as simple as that.

As I already said, if the best he's willing to do is that pitiful discount, he might as well just not put the offer option on the auction, and saved both himself and the buyers some frustration.

 

[Hiball]

Us agreeing to disagree is just fine with me, but please don't act as if I'm some self-entitled **** for complaining... there's obviously quite a few folks in the thread that feel exactly the same way I do, especially about the best offer thing..

Stick around GJ some more and you will see that there is a serious variance that comes with pricing tools. I enjoy deals as much as the next guy but its a tough crowd to please everyone here.

See, THAT is a REASONABLE price. In general, a new or used unpackaged item, in pefect condition, from a private or semi-private seller, should be sold at 60-70% of new cost including all shipping, taxes and fees.

This hammer guy wants 91%. That's absurd compared to the normal baseline for the market. Hence, I will not be purhasing his item. If I had gotten the offer accepted, it would have brought the item down close to the range of normal, and I would have purchased it immediately. .

I honestly think you are confusing "Retail" and a Deal found on Amazon. Im not here to argue, I would like to see Apples compared to Apples. Maybe a link to the Hammers Retail price could remedy the confusion.

Even Snap-on products, one of the highest resale value tools there is, sell for 20-30% off retail even if brand new.

Coming from someone who watches Ebay daily for Snappy tools, YOU RARELY find New tools at 30% off and when you figure the shipping charge you get close to retail from snap on. There are exceptions, Mainly with Ratchets as the market is flooded currently. Of course with everything else, you will find exceptions to the rule on both sides of the table.

 

[Hiball]

Just curious, is this the hamer?

http://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-07170-14-Ounce-Titanium-Straight/dp/B000H6W8TS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1279329269&sr=8-3-fkmr0

If so it says it retails for $126 and he offered to sell it for $62 to you? That would be 49% of New Retail Price without shipping factored and 65% including shipping. Of course im only talking about Retail. Its obvious you can find it cheaper than retail at many different Sources including the Amazon Link, but in the long run, including the Inflated $20 dollar shipping its still cheaper to buy from the Ebay Dealer it appears. Im not trying to argue, I could care less where you purchase you tools from or how much it costs you. My point all along was that i didnt understand you figures and your comparisons between the Ebay seller and Amazon. As a business man (Me too, 20 years in the hydraulic jack business) you surely understand that shipping is normally not factored into the Price of your items. I only charge actual shipping, Normally a couple bucks for all my kits. Its not good business Here or at Ebay to gauge people on shipping prices, it defers me from buying from them in the long run regardless of the total cost of a item as it become More principle than anything for me.

 

[toolnut]

This is some funny stuff. I saw a piece of test equipment that I wanted from a seller. He had a truck load of them and I saw that no one bought any. I decided to make a "best offer" with a half hour to go with what I was willing to pay. They declined a first and second offer and than I decided to bail out because of the high shipping. Than I started looking and found a "buy it now" at half of my second offer and less than half the shipping so I pulled the trigger. Some people think they have gold.

 

[welderwink]

Some people are stupid, but we live in a capitalistic society. So with all due respect, and in the nicest way I can possibly say this, get over it. He's just trying to make money and you're just trying to save it.

 

[Hiball]

This is some funny stuff. I saw a piece of test equipment that I wanted from a seller. He had a truck load of them and I saw that no one bought any. I decided to make a "best offer" with a half hour to go with what I was willing to pay. They declined a first and second offer and than I decided to bail out because of the high shipping. Than I started looking and found a "buy it now" at half of my second offer and less than half the shipping so I pulled the trigger. Some people think they have gold.

Yep.. Definitely pays to shop around at Ebay, Ive even seen the same item listed cheaper from the same seller in a different auction. There is no ryhme or reason to ebay, But its a great place to Buy for sure.

Some people are stupid, but we live in a capitalistic society. So with all due respect, and in the nicest way I can possibly say this, get over it. He's just trying to make money and you're just trying to save it.

Very well said. ..

 

[Charles (in GA)]

his customers are generally going to be bargain shoppers, and bargain shoppers WILL find the lowest price, no matter who has it.

Well, quit bitching and go out and find that "lowest price" which, apparently, you have not yet found. You keep talking about a higher priced one on Amazon, where is this lower priced one you keep talking about? And why don't you buy it?

Charles

 

[iandh]

Stick around GJ some more and you will see that there is a serious variance that comes with pricing tools. I enjoy deals as much as the next guy but its a tough crowd to please everyone here.

I've actually lurked this site for quite some time... I've been here for a couple years on and off. Either way, anything less than 10% I do not consider a deal, in fact I don't even really find it to be worth mentioning.

I honestly think you are confusing "Retail" and a Deal found on Amazon. Im not here to argue, I would like to see Apples compared to Apples. Maybe a link to the Hammers Retail price could remedy the confusion..

These hammers average $100 shipped from most resellers from what I've found, besides the tool suppliers that have the prices jacked up because their contract buyers don't care what they pay.

Coming from someone who watches Ebay daily for Snappy tools, YOU RARELY find New tools at 30% off and when you figure the shipping charge you get close to retail from snap on. There are exceptions, Mainly with Ratchets as the market is flooded currently. Of course with everything else, you will find exceptions to the rule on both sides of the table.

If I see a snappy wrench set, brand new, that costs $350 on the truck, generally I'll see it go for $250-300 on open market, maybe less. It depends on the tool as you said.

Just curious, is this the hamer?

http://www.amazon.com/Vaughan-07170-14-Ounce-Titanium-Straight/dp/B000H6W8TS/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1279329269&sr=8-3-fkmr0

If so it says it retails for $126 and he offered to sell it for $62 to you? That would be 49% of New Retail Price without shipping factored and 65% including shipping. Of course im only talking about Retail. Its obvious you can find it cheaper than retail at many different Sources including the Amazon Link, but in the long run, including the Inflated $20 dollar shipping its still cheaper to buy from the Ebay Dealer it appears. Im not trying to argue, I could care less where you purchase you tools from or how much it costs you. My point all along was that i didnt understand you figures and your comparisons between the Ebay seller and Amazon. As a business man (Me too, 20 years in the hydraulic jack business) you surely understand that shipping is normally not factored into the Price of your items. I only charge actual shipping, Normally a couple bucks for all my kits. Its not good business Here or at Ebay to gauge people on shipping prices, it defers me from buying from them in the long run regardless of the total cost of a item as it become More principle than anything for me.

He offered to sell it for $90 including tax and shipping, whereas from Amazon it costs me $97 with tax and free shipping. The thing is, the hammer he is selling is a VERY old model, as they don't make the heads like that any more. It appears good in the pics, but there is some risk as to what the wood in the handle has/hasn't gone through. Probably just fine, but...

For only a ~6-7% difference in out the door cost, the savings isn't what I would call notable. For instance, if Sears has something on sale for 5% off, I say meh, if it is 15-20% off, I will buy it if it is something I've been eyeballing.

Also, if I'm dissatisfied with the hammer from Amazon I can return it for a different one and lose nothing. If I'm dissatisfied with his hammer, I lose the cost of return shipping.

As I said before, I'm worried about exactly what I pay out of pocket, not what he ends up with after the sale.

This is some funny stuff. I saw a piece of test equipment that I wanted from a seller. He had a truck load of them and I saw that no one bought any. I decided to make a "best offer" with a half hour to go with what I was willing to pay. They declined a first and second offer and than I decided to bail out because of the high shipping. Than I started looking and found a "buy it now" at half of my second offer and less than half the shipping so I pulled the trigger. Some people think they have gold.

Exactly. This seller has several other items that have been sitting for weeks doing nothing, so if he think's he's going to get rich by overpricing his items, more power to him...

Some people are stupid, but we live in a capitalistic society. So with all due respect, and in the nicest way I can possibly say this, get over it. He's just trying to make money and you're just trying to save it.

Perhaps you guys should get over it? I made this rant thread to see if some other people thought his counter-offer was ridiculous, and more than a couple did.

In case you missed the THREE TIMES I've said it already, YOU guys are the ones that keep sidetracking to the money aspect and then chastising me for something that was only intended as backstory to the real purpose of the thread, which was to complain about sellers that say they're open to offers, but really aren't.

Well, quit bitching and go out and find that "lowest price" which, apparently, you have not yet found. You keep talking about a higher priced one on Amazon, where is this lower priced one you keep talking about? And why don't you buy it?

Charles

What are you talking about? I'm saying that the difference in price between the seller's hammer and Amazons hammer is so small as to be insignificant. It's the cost of a hamburger.

When I'm talking about "lowest price" I'm talking in general, perhaps you should reread my post.

Also, maybe YOU should quit bitching, about me bitching... Pot, meet kettle. If you don't like my rant thread, then don't read it.




edit: I think I've pretty much said what I have to say... the responses I recieved from the people who actually understood my point were more than enough to satisfy. Thanks everyone for participating, and sorry I'm such a rude *******. I can't help it, it's genetic.

 

[redsky49]

[QUOTE...For only a ~6-7% difference in out the door cost, the savings isn't what I would call notable...Also, if I'm dissatisfied with the hammer from Amazon I can return it for a different one and lose nothing. If I'm dissatisfied with his hammer, I lose the cost of return shipping.

I'm saying that the difference in price between the seller's hammer and Amazons hammer is so small as to be insignificant. It's the cost of a hamburger.
QUOTE]

Seems to me, you have answered your own question.

 

[nate379]

OP sounds like the J.A. I had to deal with last night.

I have a transmission for sale. Only 2 in the state in a yard and they want $1500 for each.

I don't know condition of mine, so I say $500. Seemed like a good price to me.

Then I get strings of messages saying that is how much a new one costs, I don't know what I'm doing, I made up the junkyard cost and no one buys parts from junkyards, etc. I'm surprised he didn't threaten to beat my dog, **** me and then burn the house down!

Hey... no one is twisting your arm to buy it. The way I see it, if you don't like the price, don't let the door hit your *** on the way out.

 

[iandh]

OP sounds like the J.A. I had to deal with last night.

I have a transmission for sale. Only 2 in the state in a yard and they want $1500 for each.

I don't know condition of mine, so I say $500. Seemed like a good price to me.

Then I get strings of messages saying that is how much a new one costs, I don't know what I'm doing, I made up the junkyard cost and no one buys parts from junkyards, etc. I'm surprised he didn't threaten to beat my dog, **** me and then burn the house down!

Hey... no one is twisting your arm to buy it. The way I see it, if you don't like the price, don't let the door hit your *** on the way out.

It's rather amusing that you mention the OP, but it's obvious by your reply that you didn't read and understand it.

It's even more amusing that you're the one calling me an *******.

 

[bamatj]

You planning on doing much framing? You do know that your going to have to swing that 14oz hammer almost twice as fast to get the same effect as a bigger hammer right?

 

[nate379]

Huh? Yes I read and understand. It is a thread about you complaining a guy on eBay wants too much for a hammer he has for sale on there.

If you don't like the price the guy is selling his hammer for, shop elsewhere. I don't understand what the issue is?


And where did I call you an *******? I'm not seeing it anywhere in my post, sorry, try again.


It seems some folks just don't understand how the buying/selling process works and I see it all the time on Craig's List (I buy/sell lots of stuff on there)

Couple weeks ago I found a 32" LCD TV for sale. It was about a year old, guy put it for $250 obo. It sells brand new for $325, so I offered him $200. He got upset about it, that I was low balling him etc.
Proper etiquette would have been a counter offer. I was expecting to pay around $225, just offered $200 to give me some room to bargain.

Last 2 cars I bought, one I got for $800 less than he listed it for and the other for $1400 less. (Under $10,000 cars, so a fair amount off the price)

 

[iandh]

You planning on doing much framing? You do know that your going to have to swing that 14oz hammer almost twice as fast to get the same effect as a bigger hammer right?

It's meant for my portable maintenance kit, and I have a very bad shoulder, so I just wanted a hammer that was lightweight, but effective, and had a nail starter if possible.

Huh? Yes I read and understand. It is a thread about you complaining a guy on eBay wants too much for a hammer he has for sale on there.

If you don't like the price the guy is selling his hammer for, shop elsewhere. I don't understand what the issue is?


And where did I call you an *******? I'm not seeing it anywhere in my post, sorry, try again.


It seems some folks just don't understand how the buying/selling process works and I see it all the time on Craig's List (I buy/sell lots of stuff on there)

Couple weeks ago I found a 32" LCD TV for sale. It was about a year old, guy put it for $250 obo. It sells brand new for $325, so I offered him $200. He got upset about it, that I was low balling him etc.
Proper etiquette would have been a counter offer. I was expecting to pay around $225, just offered $200 to give me some room to bargain.

Last 2 cars I bought, one I got for $800 less than he listed it for and the other for $1400 less. (Under $10,000 cars, so a fair amount off the price)

The thread was intended to be centered on me ranting about sellers who claim to want to negotiate on price, and then when you take them up on the offer, they counter with an amusing/insulting offer which is essentially identical to the original selling price.

At first, it seemed that most of the respondants to the OP completey understood where I was coming from, and had experienced the exact same thing.

Then, my thread was twisted to look like I was crying about where the seller had originally priced the item, when in fact, I was just explaining why it wasn't worth it for me to buy the item from him unless he accepted my original offer, as a background story to my OP.

Shortly thereafter, I recieved repeated knee-jerk response based upon the incorrect assumption that I was complaining about the selling price, which can easily be seen incorrect if the knee-jerk respondants would have bothered reading and understanding the OP, and the several posts immediately following it.

I was not complaining, I was explaining why it wasn't worth it for me, and why I gave the offer in the first place. My complaint was regarding the seller adding "best offer" to his auction, when in fact it seems by his counter-offer that he was not interested in taking offers at all. Other posters related near identical experiences they'd had, and also voiced their frustration with said experiences.

Then, I reiterated the original purpose of my thread several times, which was followed by repeated derailment accusing me of being an ******* for not liking the seller's price, which had NOTHING to do with why I started this thread.


As far as calling me an *******, I now see that you said "I'm just like a jackass", so now I feel much better, sorry for the misunderstanding.

It seems some folks just don't understand how the buying/selling process works and I see it all the time on Craig's List (I buy/sell lots of stuff on there)

I've been around for a while. I was using ebay long before people even knew what it was... long before it became commonplace to ask full price for an item being sold by a private seller.

I run a successful business in resale, and I know very well how the buying/selling and negotiation process works. Someone who counter-offers within a couple ticks of their original asking price, either does not understand, or is trying to convey an insult.

This insult would only be justified if the original offer was considered a lowball, and my offer of over 80% of the asking price most certainly was not a lowball.

Couple weeks ago I found a 32" LCD TV for sale. It was about a year old, guy put it for $250 obo. It sells brand new for $325, so I offered him $200. He got upset about it, that I was low balling him etc.
Proper etiquette would have been a counter offer. I was expecting to pay around $225, just offered $200 to give me some room to bargain.

Last 2 cars I bought, one I got for $800 less than he listed it for and the other for $1400 less. (Under $10,000 cars, so a fair amount off the price)

Yes, a counter offer would have been proper etiquette. Something like, say, $230.

Now, if that guy had counter-offered $249.50, you would be insulted, or at least irritated, correct?

When you counter offer within several dollars of the original asking price, it's an insult, just like when you offer too low a percentage of the asking price.





Either way, this thread has run its course. I hope the people who chose to derail my thread then vote it down, are happy with the fact that they voted down the very thread that they themselves were responsible for ruining. Rather ironic. The thread was quite well recieved until they showed up.

 

[9GUY9]

you are wasting way too much time getting worked up over such a little thing. If you don't like the price don't buy it. Its that simple.

I find it odd that its the cheapest price you can find, but it is still too much?