WTF? 26" lug wrench?

[mogandave]

People around here like to leave stuff loose on their trailer, like bungee cords, which will stick in a tire and then flail around whapping the underside of the wheelwell as it comes around until you stop. I don't have many flats nowadays, but as a kid growing up in the country, I changed many flats. I don't know how often, but I used to pretend I was a pit crew and see how fast I could change a tire from the time I skidded to a stop until the hatch was closed on my 77 plymouth arrow. I know between all the vehicles in the family, we had at least 1 flat each week. We also fixed our own tires.

Yeah, when I was a kid flats were a regular occurrence, as were regular tune-ups and drying out the distributer after hitting a deep puddle.

When I traveled with carnival, we had to fix our own flats. You had a tire-hammer, a chain, a bar to pop the ring, a patch-kit and an inflater hose you could hook to one of the glad-hands for air...

You often had to wait for the jack because we had a lot more trucks than jacks...

 

[GirlnAgarage]

Can't say I've had enough flats in my lifetime to worry about what wrench to carry. Where the hell do some of you drive lol?

Roofing nails from all the new neighborhoods going in puncture tires quick. So do the rocks in the Hill Country or West Texas. Or the thorns and really stiff grasses. And general **** that falls out of people's trailers and beds.

 

[Old Man Roger]

I’ve had to install at least 100 plugs in my personal tires. Spent a lot of time in industrial areas though.

 

[MadMechMaster]

I think I found the logic in their cheat: The red bar is 1/2 of a regular cross bar when in "power mode". so 13*2 =26". One leg is gone.

Only with a cross bar you can push and pull at the same time. You can only push or pull with this one. Have to use the other hand for steadying the shaft.

 

[qqzj]

Powermode just means the users need to get into power mode themselves! How dumb you guys are!

Seriously speaking, suppose the usable section that gives you leverage is 13 inch total length. So if both of your hands generate 2 ft force, it will be 26 ft lbs torque. Relative to a traditional wheel wrench, which is fixed in the middle, you only get 13 ft lbs. So that is 2 times. That matches the title. The 26'' part simply means it is equivalent to a 26 inch traditional wheel wrench. It actually makes total sense.

 

[whateg01]

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Seriously speaking, suppose the usable section that gives you leverage is 13 inch total length. So if both of your hands generate 2 ft force, it will be 26 ft lbs torque. Relative to a traditional wheel wrench, which is fixed in the middle, you only get 13 ft lbs. So that is 2 times. That matches the title. The 26'' part simply means it is equivalent to a 26 inch traditional wheel wrench. It actually makes total sense.

Nice try. That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure you didn't write for the seller? 2 ft force? Is that like turn on the lights so I can hear?

 

[qqzj]

Nice try. That doesn't make any sense. Are you sure you didn't write for the seller? 2 ft force? Is that like turn on the lights so I can hear?

You focused on the wrong part. Read this carefully

The 26'' part simply means it is equivalent to a 26 inch traditional wheel wrench. It actually makes total sense.

 

[whateg01]

What is a traditional wheel wrench? Do you mean the one that comes with the car that appears gets lost or thrown out and is shaped like an "L"? Or a 4-way?

 

[qqzj]

Wheel wrench = Lug wrench, like this



The key is that if the usable leverage lenght of the GTE tool is 13 inch, it is equivalent to a 26 inch traditional one. A bit exaggeration, not much.

 

[mogandave]

Wheel wrench = Lug wrench, like this



The key is that if the usable leverage lenght of the GTE tool is 13 inch, it is equivalent to a 16 inch traditional one. A bit exaggeration, not much.

Pulling up and pushing down would double the torque, yes?

So the "leverage length" of a 16" traditional lug-wrench is 16", yes?

 

[qqzj]

Pulling up and pushing down would double the torque, yes?

So the "leverage length" of a 16" traditional lug-wrench is 16", yes?

They can use both hands on this thing too.

 

[mogandave]

They can use both hands on this thing too.

But it's not as long...

 

[qqzj]

But it's not as long...

You should know it's time to quit when you can't articulate a valid point. The GTE tool just want to make the point that the sliding handle gives twice the leverage of a traditional one with the handle fixed in the middle. So if the GTE tool is 13 inch while people want to compare it to a traditional tool, people should think of it as being 26 inches. The Amazon seller must have gone thru this debate numerous times. So it's pretty naive to think a few guys here can outsmart it easily.

 

[mogandave]

You should know it's time to quit when you can't articulate a valid point. The GTE tool just want to make the point that the sliding handle gives twice the leverage of a traditional one with the handle fixed in the middle. So if the GTE tool is 13 inch while people want to compare it to a traditional tool, people should think of it as being 26 inches. The Amazon seller must have gone thru this debate numerous times. So it's pretty naive to think a few guys here can outsmart it easily.

Tip-to-tip the GTE tool is only 13", yes?

Tip-to-tip the conventional lug wrench you claim it's equivalent to is 26", correct?

I assume you're just baiting me as you can't believe they would be equivalent.

 

[qqzj]

Tip-to-tip the GTE tool is only 13", yes?

Tip-to-tip the conventional lug wrench you claim it's equivalent to is 26", correct?

I assume you're just baiting me as you can't believe they would be equivalent.

You win.

 

[Old Man Roger]

You win.

I see what he’s saying though. In “power mode” / L shape, the tool can only be used like a 13 inch long breaker bar.

He’s saying an actual 26 inch 4 way would provide more torque, because you would push down on one 13 inch long side, and pull up on the other 13 inch long side.

I don’t know for sure, but I feel like I could create more torque with a real 26 inch 4 way than I could using this tool in the L shaped configuration. Maybe not double the torque, but more torque than I could with the tool in “power mode”

 

[qqzj]

In this thing, you can push down with both hands. I would imagine it will generate more force. Much better position. So I think the seller can legitimately call it 30 inches

 

[Old Man Roger]

In this thing, you can push down with both hands. I would imagine it will generate more force. Much better position. So I think the seller can legitimately call it 30 inches

Maybe if you have the handle slid all the way up to the socket, but there is no detent there.

If you were to use the tool as designed, the handle only locks into place further away from the socket. I suspect using both hands to push down would likely just cause the socket to come off the lug nut.

 

[qqzj]

Op says in the first post, each piece is less than 16. So 13 is from handle to first ball bearing to help locking the position. That seems to me an honest 13.

 

[qqzj]

Also in a traditional 26, you need to remove some distance from handle to the middle. So for comparison purpose, just use tip of the handle to ball bearing is fair

 

[Old Man Roger]

I think you might be missing the point I was trying to make.

The tool is adjustable in 2 ways, the handle can be moved up and down the main shaft, and the main shaft can be inserted either in the center of the handle or at the end of the handle.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015DJ8A40/?tag=atomicindus08-20

If the handle is anywhere on the main shaft where there is a detent, you wouldn’t be able to use both hands to push down. It would cause the socket to come off the lug nut.

Now if you were to slide the handle all the way down on the socket, you could probably get away with it.

I still feel like you would probably get more torque out of a true 26 inch 4 way, pulling up on one side, and pushing down on the other.

 

[qqzj]

I think you might be missing the point I was trying to make.

The tool is adjustable in 2 ways, the handle can be moved up and down the main shaft, and the main shaft can be inserted either in the center of the handle or at the end of the handle.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B015DJ8A40/?tag=atomicindus08-20

If the handle is anywhere on the main shaft where there is a detent, you wouldn’t be able to use both hands to push down. It would cause the socket to come off the lug nut.

Now if you were to slide the handle all the way down on the socket, you could probably get away with it.

I still feel like you would probably get more torque out of a true 26 inch 4 way, pulling up on one side, and pushing down on the other.

Power mode probably means 1 insert the silver piece into the slot nearest to the wheel (2) lock it into the first ball bearing. That's just how breaker bar works. I honestly think this is more powerful than 26 inches traditional because (1) you can put some body weight on it (2) a traditional 26 might not be the perfect position to generate force. Think about it, how can you make sure one hand to pull it straight up, and the other to push it straight down?

 

[Old Man Roger]

Power mode probably means 1 insert the silver piece into the slot nearest to the wheel (2) lock it into the first ball bearing. That's just how breaker bar works. I honestly think this is more powerful than 26 inches traditional because (1) you can put some body weight on it (2) a traditional 26 might not be the perfect position to generate force. Think about it, how can you make sure one hand to pull it straight up, and the other to push it straight down?

I don’t think you could use it as a breaker bar if the red handle is positioned at any of the designed locations. As far as positioning a 4 way, it can always be rotated on the lug nut to get you pretty close to the optimum position. I often push down with my foot, while pulling up with my hands. Never had an issues finding a good position.

 

[qqzj]

I don’t think you could use it as a breaker bar if the red handle is positioned at any of the designed locations. As far as positioning a 4 way, it can always be rotated on the lug nut to get you pretty close to the optimum position. I often push down with my foot, while pulling up with my hands. Never had an issues finding a good position.

I don't get it. Red handle is like a socket. You just need to position it so that the silver one is easy to the user. If you want to use both hands and a foot, a traditional 26 might be better. But that's not the 'official' way to use the tool and how they should be measured and compared

 

[Old Man Roger]

I don't get it. Red handle is like a socket. You just need to position it so that the silver one is easy to the user. If you want to use both hands and a foot, a traditional 26 might be better. But that's not the 'official' way to use the tool and how they should be measured and compared

This might explain some of our confusion. If you look at the link, the red part is the handle, the silver part holds the socket.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Ahh, I just looked, both can be used to hold a socket.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Ok, so if you use the red part as the socket and the silver part as the handle, you can’t put the silver part close to the wheel at all. So you still wouldn’t be able to push down with both hands, it would fall off the lug nut.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Using the silver part as the socket, and the red part as the handle, you could cheat and slide the red part closer to the wheel, but there is no detent to keep it there.

I still think you would get more torque using a 26 inch 4 way, even if you only use your hands.

 

[qqzj]

Ok, so if you use the red part as the socket and the silver part as the handle, you can’t put the silver part close to the wheel at all. So you still wouldn’t be able to push down with both hands, it would fall off the lug nut.

Look closely. You can. There are three holes for the sliver one on the red one. Without using foot, GTE wins.

 

[qqzj]

The silver one is much longer. It's the intended leverage tool. Also the handle is on the silver one please. Even when using adapter for other sizes, one of the pictures shows the adapter is on the red one

 

[Old Man Roger]

Look closely. You can. There are three holes for the sliver one on the red one. Without using foot, GTE wins.

The lug nut would be in the way, in the provided video, the actual wheel would prevent you from using the closest hole, even if the lug nut didn’t . 26 inch 4 way wins either way..lol

 

[Old Man Roger]

The silver one is much longer. It's the intended leverage tool. Also the handle is on the silver one please. Even when using adapter for other sizes, one of the pictures shows the adapter is on the red one

If you watch the video, the silver one also has a socket in the end of the handle. Probably much like a 4 way has different sizes on each leg.

 

[qqzj]

It won't. That's exactly why it's the designated power mode. I have already expected your last line. But look at the video of the GTE tool. It's not intended for tire and wheel jockeys. It's for normal people like the lady in the video, who won't wrap herself all around a 4 way and care about storage. For the intended market, GTE wins

 

[qqzj]

Man, you deleted a post before I finished typing!

 

[Old Man Roger]

It won't. That's exactly why it's the designated power mode. I have already expected your last line. But look at the video of the GTE tool. It's not intended for tire and wheel jockeys. It's for normal people like the lady in the video, who won't wrap herself all around a 4 way and care about storage. For the intended market, GTE wins

I’m not talking market analysts, I’m talking about the tool claiming to have the same torque as 26 inch 4 way. The 4 way wins.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Man, you deleted a post before I finished typing!

Not me. I saw there was a post being made while I was typing, but it’s not showing.

 

[Old Man Roger]

I just rewatched the first few seconds of the video, most wheels wouldn’t allow you to put the silver part in the hole closest to the wheel.

 

[qqzj]

I’m not talking market analysts, I’m talking about the tool claiming to have the same torque as 26 inch 4 way. The 4 way wins.

A 26 4 way is too unwieldy that's why almost all of them are 20 inches or less. Against non existent tools, GTE wins hands down!

 

[Old Man Roger]

A 26 4 way is too unwieldy that's why almost all of them are 20 inches or less. Against non existent tools, GTE wins hands down!

Lol they claim it’s as good as a 26 inch 4 way, you’re just practicing your debating skills..

 

[Old Man Roger]

PS, my favorite 4 way is only 20 inches, but my breaker bars are all 16.

If I needed added leverage, I would slip a pipe over a breaker bar, but not a 4 way. The 4 ways handle would be too far from the wheel, just like the GTE, but the breaker bar is right at the end of the socket, so you can actually use the added leverage.