WTF? Estwing Ball Peens

[nissan_crawler]

So, I get the 5 Estwing Ball Peens I ordered from Enco today...with a tag on each that says "This tool is made to drive common nails only. Any other use is hazardous." Don't they know what a ball peen hammer is for? Off to send a grumpy email...

 

[Uncle Buck]

That is rich!

 

[nissan_crawler]

"I've been a lifelong supporter of Estwing, and just bought all 5 ball peen hammers offered to replace my Craftsman ones.

I was dismayed upon opening the box to see that all of my ball peens are labeled with "This tool is made to drive common nails only. Any other use is hazardous." Having sold all my other hammers already, and having been waiting on these, now I don't dare use them.

Is this a wrong label? A ball peen hammer is for metalworking, not nails. I would appreciate a quick response, as I have been waiting to use them.

Thanks,"

This is either a case of really crappy marketing, or as I'm hoping, bad QC and an idiot putting the wrong labels on. I can't believe Estwing, as revered a company as it is for hammers, would be retarded enough to make a Ball Peen that can't be used on steel.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Wrong handle on wrong head, just that simple. I am sure they will perform just fine though!

 

[nissan_crawler]

Wrong handle on wrong head, just that simple. I am sure they will perform just fine though!

Estwing hammers are one piece steel. The handle is the head. I'm hoping just some dumb flunkie that put the wrong stickers on, but I'm playing it safe.

 

[TxDoc]

Product liability/personal injury escape clause???

 

[dxdexter]

I think it was obviously labeled wrong.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Estwing hammers are one piece steel. The handle is the head. I'm hoping just some dumb flunkie that put the wrong stickers on, but I'm playing it safe.[/QUOTE

Please do not get me wrong, I have never laid eyes on the Estwing b-pein hammer but I know that the hammer was not constructed of one piece of material. I am sure it started out as 2 pieces, a handle, and a head, and somewhere along the way got joined up in the manufacturing process; so I will stick with my original assertion that the wrong handle was joined to the wrong head!
(I am speaking literally from the perspective of how that hammer must have been manufactured)

 

[nissan_crawler]

Estwing hammers are one piece steel. The handle is the head. I'm hoping just some dumb flunkie that put the wrong stickers on, but I'm playing it safe.[/QUOTE

Please do not get me wrong, I have never laid eyes on the Estwing b-pein hammer but I know that the hammer was not constructed of one piece of material. I am sure it started out as 2 pieces, a handle, and a head, and somewhere along the way got joined up in the manufacturing process; so I will stick with my original assertion that the wrong handle was joined to the wrong head!
(I am speaking literally from the perspective of how that hammer must have been manufactured)

No, they are ONE PIECE.
http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=2600
"The Ball Peen Hammers have bonded and molded Shock Reduction Grip® which offers the utmost in both comfort and durability, while reducing vibrations caused by impact. Estwing hammers are the only hammers that can make this claim. The head and handles are fully polished and are forged in one piece."

Same with their other hammers:
http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=400

Their picks, drilling hammers, engineer hammers, welding hammers, all ONE-PIECE. That's the reason I bought them in the first place.

 

[nissan_crawler]

"Dear Jared;

Our apologies. They are mislabeled.
Please let me know if you have further questions.

Sincerely;"

Good enough for me.

 

[5wndwcpe]

"Dear Jared;

Our apologies. They are mislabeled.
Please let me know if you have further questions.

Sincerely;"

Good enough for me.

So they're for finish nails then.

 

[kblazer87]

http://www.estwing.com/safety_alerts.php

 

[eschoendorff]

Wrong handle on wrong head, just that simple. I am sure they will perform just fine though!

What he hath saideth. Amen.

 

[kythri]

No, they are ONE PIECE.
http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=2600
"The Ball Peen Hammers have bonded and molded Shock Reduction Grip® which offers the utmost in both comfort and durability, while reducing vibrations caused by impact. Estwing hammers are the only hammers that can make this claim. The head and handles are fully polished and are forged in one piece."

Same with their other hammers:
http://www.estwing.com/product.php?product_id=400

Their picks, drilling hammers, engineer hammers, welding hammers, all ONE-PIECE. That's the reason I bought them in the first place.

Dude, he's not arguing that they're seperate pieces

What he's saying is that Estwing didn't forge the hammer from the beginning as one piece. A head and handle were forged seperately, and then at some point, were all meltified together to become one piece.

The statement that they're "forged in one piece" sounds misleading - kinda like "they were forged into one piece."

I'd be real interested to see their manufacture process if they started life as one piece, because I didn't think that was possible, given how the head has to be done all special.

 

[Jononon]

What he's saying is that Estwing didn't forge the hammer from the beginning as one piece.

Then he's wrong. A single piece forging is made, comprising both the head and the handle. The only separate piece is the rubber grip.

Ridiculous way to make hammers, as it maximises the transfer of impact into the hand of the user, resulting in the need for an elastomer handle to mitigate some of the shock, but it is how Estwing do it.

 

[Merkava_4]

Just don't use them right out of the liquid nitrogen tank; thaw them out to room temperature first.

 

[Fedwrench]

I don't think you should risk your personal safety by using those hammers. The best thing to do would be to mail them to and I'll take care of those unsafe hammers.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Now that I understand how they are manufactured I retract my original assertion.

 

[kythri]

Then he's wrong. A single piece forging is made, comprising both the head and the handle. The only separate piece is the rubber grip.

Ridiculous way to make hammers, as it maximises the transfer of impact into the hand of the user, resulting in the need for an elastomer handle to mitigate some of the shock, but it is how Estwing do it.

If that's how it's done, then that's how it's done. Goofy.

That aside, it'd be cool to see them being made, and how they do it, a'la that Hazet video. Anyone know of a source?

 

[nissan_crawler]

Ridiculous way to make hammers, as it maximises the transfer of impact into the hand of the user, resulting in the need for an elastomer handle to mitigate some of the shock, but it is how Estwing do it.

I have never had a problem with it on their hammers, the grip takes care of it.

I can tell you that after having a fiberglass handle crack, flinging the hammer head back, splitting my ear wide open, and putting the head through the sheetrock and into the wall behind me while framing, that I will never go back to anything but a one-piece handle. If that hammer head was 1/2" to the left, I would probably have a pretty nice facial defect right now.

 

[Merkava_4]

Ridiculous way to make hammers, as it maximizes the transfer of impact into the hand of the user, resulting in the need for an elastomer handle to mitigate some of the shock, but it is how Estwing do it.

That's a word not too often used on the board.

 

[Stuey]

That's a word not too often used on the board.

I found another!

What he's saying is that Estwing didn't forge the hammer from the beginning as one piece. A head and handle were forged seperately, and then at some point, were all meltified together to become one piece.

 

[kythri]

Mitigate is a real word. Meltified is not.

 

[Jononon]

That aside, it'd be cool to see them being made, and how they do it, a'la that Hazet video.

It would. I haven't seen a video of the production, but our local tool store has a board with the stages of production on it, from blank forgings through to the finished hammer, which is quite cool.

I have never had a problem with it on their hammers, the grip takes care of it.

I can tell you that after having a fiberglass handle crack, flinging the hammer head back, splitting my ear wide open, and putting the head through the sheetrock and into the wall behind me while framing, that I will never go back to anything but a one-piece handle. If that hammer head was 1/2" to the left, I would probably have a pretty nice facial defect right now.

Ouch. Point taken.

 

[Stuey]

Mitigate is a real word. Meltified is not.

Just because it's made-up, it doesn't mean than it is not unused any less infrequently.

 

[russlaferrera]

Just because it's made-up, it doesn't mean than it is not unused any less infrequently.

Ain't was not a word. It is now. So why not "Meltified ?" We are witnessing the birth of a new word. Cutting edge.... Hell most of us would be lost without spellcheck!

 

[wilbilt]

Just because it's made-up, it doesn't mean than it is not unused any less infrequently.

Irregardless, I could care less. Their still a bonified hammer. Grate for dissipline when the childern aren't being have.

 

[64merc]

Irregardless, I could care less. Their still a bonified hammer. Grate for dissipline when the childern aren't being have.

He he he, I get it.

 

[eschoendorff]

Irregardless, I could care less. Their still a bonified hammer. Grate for dissipline when the childern aren't being have.

Bonifide is a word... but here's another one i think we should add to the lexicon:

Simplificate.

 

[wilbilt]

Bonifide is a word...

It is?

I think the term is "bona fide".

 

[eschoendorff]

It is?

I think the term is "bona fide".

Yup.... you're right. Just looked it up.


Here's another word that I've heard used quite extensively by musicians:

shittily - adverb.

The first clarinetist was quite good, but the flutist played that part quite shittily.

 

[wilbilt]

I concocted a word many years ago. "Avoision".

It refers to avoiding something (or someone) because you have an aversion to it (or him/her). Example: " I saw the MAC man come into the shop; I knew he was going to try to give me a sales pitch, so I avoisioned into the break room so he wouldn't see me."

 

[dxdexter]

Then he's wrong. A single piece forging is made, comprising both the head and the handle. The only separate piece is the rubber grip.

Ridiculous way to make hammers, as it maximises the transfer of impact into the hand of the user, resulting in the need for an elastomer handle to mitigate some of the shock, but it is how Estwing do it.

I have used Estwing framing hammers for many years and they are absolutely the best I have seen. I would never go back to a wooden or fibre glass handle. The handle is also a great tool in itself for wedging between framing members and prying.

I have never used their ball pein hammers.

 

[TNToy]

Holy ****. You people have GOT to learn to use the Quote feature on this forum. In 33 posts, I think 2 people did it right.

 

[dxdexter]

Holy ****. You people have GOT to learn to use the Quote feature on this forum. In 33 posts, I think 2 people did it right.

Please explain. They all look perfectly OK to me.

 

[Stuey]

Please explain. They all look perfectly OK to me.

....Ditto....

 

[lbgradwell]

I have used Estwing framing hammers for many years and they are absolutely the best I have seen.

Yeah, almost every carpenter in Canada uses Estwings. The others use the new(ish) Stanley FatMax. Vaughan is almost unknown here & difficult to find...

 

[Kevin54]

The first clarinetist was quite good, but the flutist played that part quite shittily.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

Damn...that made me laugh out loud

As far as the hammers and all of the responses, I'd just throw the damn things away and forget you bought them