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I think in your case you might be better off excusing your gap with a combination of volunteer work and side work. I am going to guess swinging a wrench day in and day out may quickly wear on you.

Can throw a few classes in here and there more at your leisurely pace. Along with some simple side work (not mentioned) and a bit of community work, your day can be as full as you want it to be.
 
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i hate to say it but why dont you quit wasting your time and get a bachelors degree. An associates is worthless...when your done with your bachelors, go for your masters and catch up to the rest of your generation.

I have an associates which is worth nothing more than a high school diploma and 2 bachelors. I am behind the curve professionally in the white collar world for those in my generation (class of 01 in H.S)

Im in no way saying that your level of education will drastically change your course in life, but you must understand that the current generation is way over educated so if you plan to keep up in the big pond, you will need some grad work at least.

Keep in mind my sister has a bachelors and is a R.N and makes around 55k. My wife has a masters and is a O.T and makes slightly more. Neither of these are what i would consider great salaries. Not to say i do any better, but i certainly don't consider myself successful from a financial standpoint.
 
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I have an associates which is worth nothing more than a high school diploma and 2 bachelors. I am behind the curve professionally in the white collar world for those in my generation (class of 01 in H.S)

You could always quit the white collar stuff & attempt do something useful with all your worthless wallpaper..
 

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I am a full time mechanic and a shop owner...I employee six people and enjoy what i do....I have not been involved with the white collar stuff in long time.
 
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I will get a bachelors degree later on and perhaps more. I am a Texas resident and have the Hazelwood Act that will pay my tuition to a state school once my GI Bill is exhausted. It just covers tuition so I will need to work while using it. It doesn't cover technical schools though. I will be able to go to school a couple days a week while I am with the fire department. But I wouldn't be able to go to an automotive school while with them. If I am ever going to go to school for automotive, now is the time.
 

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Are you fully ready for their learning curve?

All these bashers and badmouthers are referencing someone who hasn't worked in a shop before, Reason is, its pretty steep learning curve. W/o some previous knowledge it is hard to retain the barrage of info thrown at you, and even harder to realize it's relevance.

By previous knowledge, i don't mean brakes and struts.

There is a reason why only about 65% even make it out the door. Go ahead and ask them, they have the current statistics for the past year how many washed out. It's law.
 
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I have been turning my own wrenches for quite awhile. I will be the first to admit that I don't know everything. And far from it. But I have replaced half a dozen trannys, swapped a few engines, rebuilt a couple, some axle swaps, and the like. And I will admit that I am not the quickest wrench in the south either. But a lot of that is because I look at everything to see how it works together to get a better understanding of everything instead of just swapping the parts and crossing my fingers. I have a few family and friends who know more about vehicles than I do without a doubt. But I am the one they call when they get stumped on something. I am often able to work things out in my head to figure out what is wrong. But I know there is a lot to learn and want to know it.
 

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Here is my perspective, take it for what it is worth. I have been in almost the exact situation you are in and maybe my experience will help you a little.

I am a lifelong tinkerer and gearhead. In HS I worked my summers doing tune ups and brakes at a local Ford dealer. I was fortunate as my neighbor was the service manager and a former mechanic/tech and he was able to mentor me and get me started there.

I am also a veteran and spent a 4 year enlistment in the Marine Corps. During that time I deployed to both Saudi Arabia for Desert Shield/Storm and Somalia. After the Marine Corps I was not sure what I wanted to do. Part of me wanted to go back to spinning wrenches and making some immediate money, but the other part of me that had sweated my *** off in 3rd world hell holes wanted a nice job in an air conditioned office where I could talk to the pretty secretaries go out for happy hours after work (clearly I had been watching too much TV).

Anyway, I decided I'd go to the local CC for a year and see where it led me. Now 15 years later I work in finance for a very large public company. I mostly like my work and more importantly it provides me the salary to live the type of life I want. I still enjoy working with my hands but now I do it as a hobby on a 67 Corvette I am lucky enough to own and the hundreds of little projects and improvements that go along with being a homeowner.

Looking back at it, I feel I made the right decision to get a bachelors degree instead of attending a technical program. For someone like you who is dedicated to the medical field, I would consider either a degree in health-care management or possibly trying to attend dental school. Being a dentist is pretty hands on but also allows you to work in a health-care related field. It also allows you to build a business.

This is just my $.02 I think that going to a tech school would not be a good use of your GI Bill as it does not benefit your chosen career.
 
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I am perfectly content being a firefighter/paramedic. I already have all of the certifications required and the degrees that go with them. Often the degrees are not required. The automotive school will just be for my own benefit and perhaps a second job later down the line. But it would just be part time.
 

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Someone mentioned earlier in the thread that the manufacturer programs that are run by UTI are only able to be attended by UTI grads. This is simply not true. Any NATEF certified tech school graduate can apply. Now it would not surprise me if UTI tells people the incorrect information in hopes of more attendance.

Don't count on being able to find a shop that wants a tech to work part time. Due to getting a 50% tuition discount I went back to college to continue working on Mechanical Engineering degree. I have only found one shop willing to have a part time mechanic. Normally just due to the nature of the business most will want full time help.
 
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Well, do some practice testing to find out how much you already know:
http://passthease.search-autoparts.com/Car--Light-Truck-A1--A8/Default.aspx?p=2&iid=17

Then it will help serve as additional study material before you start attending. 17 classes, and atleast half of them are based on electronics.

http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop9.html
http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop16.html
http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop15.html

Seriously, brush up before starting.

I will. I really appreciate the links. Thank you.
 

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The 2 schools closest to me offer Ford, GM, Toyota and Hondas programs. I'm not even sure school is a necessity around here, though. The local Lexus dealer had an ad online the other day for a technician apprentice, school was not a requirement. Maybe you should see if you can nab an apprenticeship before you look into school.
 

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I graduated from Wyotech in 2006. It looks good on my resume, which got me my job. Other than that, it wasn't great. I didn't realize it when I was there but after working in a shop for 5 years I realized everything i was taught was pretty much the worst way to do things. I went for auto body though, not mechanics.
 

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What about skipping the 30k school bill and just trying really hard to find a job as a general service tech at a shop or dealership? You could make some money, not accumulate debt, decide wether or not this is something you wanna do, and if you bust *** be in a better position maing more money in a few months. There have been plenty of guys that came from the fancy pants classes who worked at the shop I'm at who couldnt find a part on a vehicle, but knew exactly how it worked and what it did. What good is that if you cant find the darn thing to fix it? They didnt last long, and their parents had wasted all that money. Just sayin.......
 

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I work at a Community College so I am biased. We have small classes (15 or less) low tuition (I think in district is about $2000 a semester) and most of our instructors work in the field, or have for many years. I have been told my final exams are equal if not tougher than the ASE tests.

I am not going to tell you a Community College is perfect fit for everyone, but they give you a lot of bang for the buck. You can work and go to school. You can take one class at a time, or go full time depending upon how quick you want to complete.

Go to NATEF's website here: http://natef.org/certified.cfm and find a certified program in your area. NATEF gives you some idea there are standards in place for what is being taught. Read up on the NATEF website about what a school has to do to be certified. It is a very tough and strict process.

All the large UTI/Wyotech may spend money for commercials and on their buildings but I am in real doubt the instructors know what they are doing, or at the very least how to teach. I have worked side by side with a couple of instructors from one of these "schools", I have met weekend mechanics with more skills than these guys. I also have students that have come back to us after attending these places and the comments always seems to be that "you are better" and "those places wasted my money".

Please shop around and don't be swayed by the fancy ads and pretty shops. There are lots of terrific small programs around the country.
 

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Graduated from Wyotech in '08 in Collision/Refinishing & Chassis Fab/HPE. I moved back to La. and came back to my old job. Now I'm paying back a 30k student loan and don't even work in the field. I did learn alot that I now use on my own projects, but I wasn't taking an entry level job as a detailer or paint prepper at a body shop making $10/hr when I was able to go back to my old job as a supervisor making more than double that. Wyotech is great for high school kids with no bills and looking to get that entry level position. But I was 27 when I graduated, had bills & was about to get married. An entry level job wasn't going to cut it.
 

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Well, do some practice testing to find out how much you already know:
http://passthease.search-autoparts.com/Car--Light-Truck-A1--A8/Default.aspx?p=2&iid=17

Then it will help serve as additional study material before you start attending. 17 classes, and atleast half of them are based on electronics.

http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop9.html
http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop16.html
http://www.autoshop101.com/autoshop15.html

Seriously, brush up before starting.

Good links there, thanks for posting them.
 

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Im more of a lurker on here, but every once in awhile a thread like this gets my attention.

I was in the exact same position you were in 3 years ago. Wyotech and Northwestern Ohio both really wanted me to do their 2 year programs. At the last minute, i decided to do a 1 year hands on training program at a CC because it was way cheaper and i could get an associates degree too. So i finished the program and started working in a shop. The local classes were cheap and i learned a TON. I still got the 55% off from snap on and matco and the classes were small.

Now im back in school going for a bachelors degree in automotive management. The nice thing, is the fact that my auto training classes from my first year count towards my 4 year degree. Its is really the prefect program for me that allows me to work and get a real degree.

The community college classes cost maybe 1/8th of wyotech or uti. dont waste your money. just my .02
 
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Who has the better automotive repair course? I have enjoyed working on my own vehicles for quite some time. Mostly self taught as I need to fix something and couldn't afford to take it to a shop. Now I am in a position that I can take a year another year off. I am wanting to learn more about fixing vehicles. I don't know that I am going to want to make a career change, but at least for my personal knowledge. I am not too concerned about tuition costs, because the GI Bill will cover it. And seeing as there are none around me currently, moving somewhere is not an issue either. Where would you suggest I can get the best education? Wyotech, UTI, or somewhere else? Finding a mechanic to teach me is not really an option, so I am thinking formal training. And it will always give me something to fall back on if needed. You can never have too many career choices.

Neither.. I was not impressed by UTI or lincoln tech.
Neither. if you want to be an auto tech, find a community college that offers one of the factory programs like GM ASEP, or Ford ASSET. You'll alternate 8 week blocks going to school and working at the dealership. You'll learn a lot and gain valuable experience along the way. If you apply yourself, you'll be a much better tech.:thumbup:

Agreed

Good links there, thanks for posting them.

agreed..............
 
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My cost for a Community College $0, Wyotech $0, UTI $0. Cost is not a factor. I keep hearing that I should go to a Community College to save the money. It doesn't save me any money. Also, there is not a Community College around me that offers an automotive program. So I am going to have to move to go to any of them. Is there a reason to go to a community college other than cost and being local? Neither apply to me.
I heard that a community college will teach me how to turn a wrench and where the parts are on the car. Wyotech will teach me how everything works and what needs to be fixed. While they are both important, I think learning what is wrong will benefit me more than how to replace something someone tells me is wrong.
I want the best 1 year education. If y'all believe that a community college is truly better, which one would you suggest?
 

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My cost for a Community College $0, Wyotech $0, UTI $0. Cost is not a factor. I keep hearing that I should go to a Community College to save the money. It doesn't save me any money. Also, there is not a Community College around me that offers an automotive program. So I am going to have to move to go to any of them. Is there a reason to go to a community college other than cost and being local? Neither apply to me.
I heard that a community college will teach me how to turn a wrench and where the parts are on the car. Wyotech will teach me how everything works and what needs to be fixed. While they are both important, I think learning what is wrong will benefit me more than how to replace something someone tells me is wrong.
I want the best 1 year education. If y'all believe that a community college is truly better, which one would you suggest?
Answer to question YES YES
I learned therory and how to do it,
 

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To the Op i went to Lincoln Tech (Union Nj) and left after 11 monthes of a 13 month course knowing the exact asme omount about a car the books uniforms and crappy toolkit dont do anything.

they don't train you to be a tech or give you technique to make you a tehc they input theory. now when i went to union county vo tech i learned more in 4 hours than 11 monthes just my 2Cents. btw fwiw

i use neither i became a tow truck driver and had 3.5 gpa's it is what it is
 

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My cost for a Community College $0, Wyotech $0, UTI $0. Cost is not a factor. I keep hearing that I should go to a Community College to save the money. It doesn't save me any money. Also, there is not a Community College around me that offers an automotive program. So I am going to have to move to go to any of them. Is there a reason to go to a community college other than cost and being local? Neither apply to me.
I heard that a community college will teach me how to turn a wrench and where the parts are on the car. Wyotech will teach me how everything works and what needs to be fixed. While they are both important, I think learning what is wrong will benefit me more than how to replace something someone tells me is wrong.
I want the best 1 year education. If y'all believe that a community college is truly better, which one would you suggest?

Where the hell do you live that you don't have a CC nearby with an auto program?

Even the most rural parts of my state still have CC's, most have auto programs.

I live near a metro area and I have 3 within 20 miles. All have auto programs.
 
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Maypearl, TX, population 821. It is in Ellis county, which doesn't have its own community college. There is a branch campus from Navarro County in Waxahachie, but they do not offer an auto tech program. Hill County Community College is the closest auto program which is 42 miles away.
 

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I drive 37 miles one way everyday to school. Its not that bad really. I go to the closest school with an automotive program (Greenville Technical College). I'm using the Chapter 33 GI bill also. Its funny how most people here don't understand that it pays for everything and then you get BAH also. Everyone talking about the price, the price doesn't matter when uncle same is writing the check.
If I were you I would just drive the 42 miles and go to that school, or use some of the BAH to rent an apartment in the same town as the school.
 
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I would end up moving. My daily drivers get between 8-14 mpg. Costing me around a small fortune in gas. Moving doesn't bother me. In the past 6 years, I have lived in 5 states and 2 countries. But if I am going to move to go to school, I would like for it to be a good school.
Most folks seem to like the community college idea, which I am fine with. I moved to Alaska 2 years ago to go to school. But which community college has the best program? Something 13 months or less.
 
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Who has the better automotive repair course? I have enjoyed working on my own vehicles for quite some time. Mostly self taught as I need to fix something and couldn't afford to take it to a shop. Now I am in a position that I can take a year another year off. I am wanting to learn more about fixing vehicles. I don't know that I am going to want to make a career change, but at least for my personal knowledge. I am not too concerned about tuition costs, because the GI Bill will cover it. And seeing as there are none around me currently, moving somewhere is not an issue either. Where would you suggest I can get the best education? Wyotech, UTI, or somewhere else? Finding a mechanic to teach me is not really an option, so I am thinking formal training. And it will always give me something to fall back on if needed. You can never have too many career choices.
36 grand ...try harvard , you will learn more about cars
 

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Great article! I would take a road tip and visit a few past. Winners and finalists. I would also spend time with their placement offices to see how students are doing.

Back when I went to school, the first place I visited was the placement office and talked to students.
 

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To the Op i went to Lincoln Tech (Union Nj) and left after 11 monthes of a 13 month course knowing the exact asme omount about a car the books uniforms and crappy toolkit dont do anything.

they don't train you to be a tech or give you technique to make you a tehc they input theory.


This proves my point. It is meant as no offense to HJHandyguy. His experience is typical of the vast majority.

It is NOT because the school didn't put the info out there, rather because most of the info seemed irrelevant to the average student. He retained the info long enough to pass the test, then it vanished. Why? w/o a shop background BEFORE day1, the theory seems worthless. Who cares that alternators produce alternating current that is rectified by a diode trio pack??? The average student is bored with this info, he only wants to know the fastest way to remove it. BUT whether the student knows it or not, the "theory and principle" is a valuable tool. Especially later when you are chasing diode ripple, understanding how an alt can drain a battery, or chasing after noise and signal interference bleeding over into your TPS signal line via induction, thus creating erratic shift solenoid operation.

Mean while, your "hands on" guy has his swivel impacts fired up ready to sling a transmission.

He also has no idea why those plug wires sloppily routed is causing a misfire.


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Not everyone has the opportunity to get some experience in BEFORE, and even less are humble enough to go to school AFTER gaining experience. By time they gain experience, they also gain a cockiness, that it would be a waste of their time.

It makes even less sense to teach yourself something BEFORE attending a school which is allegedly supposed to teach you the same thing. Fact of the matter is, it is a way to get an edge up on the competition. While they are struggling to even picture an intake valve, you are able to comprehend what the instructor is talking about when he speaks of one being bent, and what types of effects it would have.

JoeDirt's dad has no clue "how the positrac in a plymouth works...it just does" Mean while you are capable of understanding how those plates interlock, and are able to pay attention when the instructor mentions "breakaway torque" and how to diagnose it.

Hence my inclusion of a few handy links, and now a few more:
For your carbureted fleet:
http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/vacuum1.swf


Are you fully ready for their learning curve?

All these bashers and badmouthers are referencing someone who hasn't worked in a shop before, Reason is, its pretty steep learning curve. W/o some previous knowledge it is hard to retain the barrage of info thrown at you, and even harder to realize it's relevance.

By previous knowledge, i don't mean brakes and struts.


I went to school AFTER having worked 5 years. Trust me, experience alone doesn't trump anything. I am also amazed how I find myself applying knowledge from automotive and factory nissan courses in my strictly Class8 OTR diesel job. I shudder to think how many times I must have wasted a lot of time in those first 5 years.

Sometimes you just don't know...[how much] you don't know.
 

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I understand how OLD this thread is, but even so, when I typed UTI vs Wyotech into google, it is still one of the first responses to pop up. So if I can offer another perspective, and someone finds value in it, so be it.

If I was a 16-24 year old looking into getting into being a mechanic, I would look up U.S. Job Corps and find one that offers mechanics and at least apply for the program prior to comitting to any of these for-profit schools where you’ll walk out in serious debt.

Those Job Corps students pick up an Associates Degree (on the government dime) and pay nothing for their education. I worked at a Job Corps for a period of time, and the one I was associated with had the Associates Degree Automotive Mechanics program, that was tied to a local community college, and it was sponsored by Lexus. So by day they we’re taking mechanics classes at the local community college, and at night (and on the weekends) they stayed at the Job Corps Center. All their college credits were from a regionally accredited college, and could be transferred anywhere- unlike a trade school with national accreditation. (Yes Regional Accreditation is better and more widely transferable to other colleges than National Accreditation). Which is important cause its opens the door if you want to expand your education. Like it you want to take business management classes and learn how to operate a business (or open your own shop some day). Not saying you have to do that, but the door is open if you choose to do so. . . .

Those kids would spend 2 years living for free at the Job Corps Center, getting fed, and all their college was 100% paid for by Uncle Sam. And after 2 years +/- they already had jobs lined up. It was like the best kept secret in all the federal conservation programs, that nobody ever hears about.

Another point to mention. U.S. Job Corps are split between ones that are run by for-profit companies ( being compensated by the Department of Labor) and U.S. Job Corps Centers who are co-managed/ run by the U.S. Forest Service. I’d steer clear of the for-profit U.S. Job Corps Centers, as they make more $$$ by keeping costs down by paying instructors less, and the quality of living quarters. Don’t let the pictures on the website trick you into thinking they are nicer than they are.

There is alot of piece of mind finishing an educational program with no debt, and getting a $50K per year job. Or finishing a tech school and being tied to an $500 per month boat anchor/ student loan for decades while making $50K per year.

Or you could join the military and get OJT and college paid for. Which is what I did. But if I had known about Job Corps, I might have gone that route. Its just not a well advertised/ promoted program.

My .02 cents

 
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Anyone know what happen to Wyotech? They got sued a bunch of times, got in trouble with the DOE and were supposed to have stopped enrolling students and close their doors several years ago. Similar situation to ITT and several other for-profit schools.

But I looked at their website and it appears they are still up and running. So I'm confused.
 

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Anyone know what happen to Wyotech? They got sued a bunch of times, got in trouble with the DOE and were supposed to have stopped enrolling students and close their doors several years ago. Similar situation to ITT and several other for-profit schools.

But I looked at their website and it appears they are still up and running. So I'm confused.
They were pretty much ruined by Corinthian colleges after selling out and they ended up shutting down. Then one of the old instructors at the original Laramie, WY location bought the rights and reopened it across town and has turned it back into a top notch school, even better than it was before CC ownership. Mike says this time he’s not going to let it turn into a nationwide thing nor will he sell it to a larger corporation like they did 20 years ago.

As an alumni of the original school I’m excited with what he’s doing now and quite pleased to see it once again being a top notch Wyoming school.
 

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I don't really understand the USA college system for vocational education besides watching Paul " Scannerdanner" Danner occasionally teaching at Rosedale Tech (it looks like a nice facility) presumably in PItsburg??

In the UK I did an apprenticeship (four years), you worked in a regular workshop starting with menial chores under a mentor and learning the ropes and went to technical school one day per week to study theory, if you decided to specialise in a particular aspect of vehicle repair you took another module (usually night school or manufacturer specific training). You got a trade certificate (City and Guilds) at the end of the process
 
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