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Jagmandave
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and you need to find a way to get autodata, etc... to run on that lubuntu thing?
What is autodata and why do I want it?
Is that like Alldata or Mitchell?
XP and the Garage Computer
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What is autodata and why do I want it?
Is that like Alldata or Mitchell?
Steevo
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Call it.
Time of death: 12/02/2014
RIP old PC
Time of death: 12/02/2014
RIP old PC
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Jagmandave
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olytdi
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Yeah, but let's get an honest update in three months with regard to your network being compromised...
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Jagmandave
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Really? Why would that happen any more with this than with an unprotected version of XP?
Tell me what I don't know here.....
Tell me what I don't know here.....
James_B
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There are good reasons for hanging onto older versions of software.
While I have Win 7/64 and Vista 32 on my day to day computers, and various flavours of Linux on a few other machines, most of my older computers run XP. A few are still running Win 2K or NT/4.
I have some older hardware and software that WON'T run on later versions of Windows, so legacy operating systems are my only option, and for what I'm doing with the older computers and systems, 512MB is quite adequate for an XP platform, and 256MB is fine for a Win 2K or NT/4 platform.
The service manuals for my Jaguar XJ-S are on a couple of CD-ROMs, and the copy protection scheme on one of the CD-ROMs won't work with any OS later than XP. For this very reason, the ancient laptop I use in my workshop runs XP.
Similarly, my high end but ancient multi-standard video digitizing card was designed to work with Win NT/4 (it can be tricked into running on Win 2K but nothing after that), and there aren't drivers that will allow it to work on later versions of Windows. Yes, I could get a later model digitizing card, but I see no reason to do so while I have a system that works.
None of these older operating systems are connected to the internet, so I'm really not worried about viruses and the like killing my old OS. If anything does happen to corrupt the data on the hard disk, I have up to date Ghost images for each computer available for a quick rebuild.
While I have Win 7/64 and Vista 32 on my day to day computers, and various flavours of Linux on a few other machines, most of my older computers run XP. A few are still running Win 2K or NT/4.
I have some older hardware and software that WON'T run on later versions of Windows, so legacy operating systems are my only option, and for what I'm doing with the older computers and systems, 512MB is quite adequate for an XP platform, and 256MB is fine for a Win 2K or NT/4 platform.
The service manuals for my Jaguar XJ-S are on a couple of CD-ROMs, and the copy protection scheme on one of the CD-ROMs won't work with any OS later than XP. For this very reason, the ancient laptop I use in my workshop runs XP.
Similarly, my high end but ancient multi-standard video digitizing card was designed to work with Win NT/4 (it can be tricked into running on Win 2K but nothing after that), and there aren't drivers that will allow it to work on later versions of Windows. Yes, I could get a later model digitizing card, but I see no reason to do so while I have a system that works.
None of these older operating systems are connected to the internet, so I'm really not worried about viruses and the like killing my old OS. If anything does happen to corrupt the data on the hard disk, I have up to date Ghost images for each computer available for a quick rebuild.
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Jagmandave
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OK, here's a request - anyone have some DDR SDRAM memory sticks they'd like to donate to the cause? It will only support 1024 so 2-512's would be perfect.
That stuff isn't good for anything but these old computers, so if you have some lying about I would appreciate it!
Update - still working fine, tho it's a bit slower than I thought it would be. Hence the call for memory.
Update #2 - looks like I won't be using it in the garage after all - it's come to my attention that a friend doesn't have a computer - of any kind. How is that possible you say? Well, low paying job due to having to care full time for an invalid aged father means no money for frivolities like a computer. She needs to be able to check in to her office via email while she does her daily rounds (she does eldercare) so I'm going to give it to her. It will be perfect for what she does, all she needs is internet access, webmail (Gmail is fine) and WiFi. I think it will do fine for her till her circumstances improve and since it's free the price is right!
That stuff isn't good for anything but these old computers, so if you have some lying about I would appreciate it!
Update - still working fine, tho it's a bit slower than I thought it would be. Hence the call for memory.
Update #2 - looks like I won't be using it in the garage after all - it's come to my attention that a friend doesn't have a computer - of any kind. How is that possible you say? Well, low paying job due to having to care full time for an invalid aged father means no money for frivolities like a computer. She needs to be able to check in to her office via email while she does her daily rounds (she does eldercare) so I'm going to give it to her. It will be perfect for what she does, all she needs is internet access, webmail (Gmail is fine) and WiFi. I think it will do fine for her till her circumstances improve and since it's free the price is right!
Beemer533
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Because he is running Linux? What does this even mean?
Beemer533
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Nice! That certainly was good of you... SO are you now looking to replace it, or are you just not going to bother?
EOC_Jason
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If you have Windows 7 Pro or Ultimate, you can download and install "Windows XP Mode" which is basically running XP in a virtual environment. What's nice is once you get a program installed in the XP env, you can launch it from your Win 7 start menu and it runs the program in a normal window like anything else and you wouldn't know you are running it from XP...
I also have an ESX server with probably a dozen or so virtual machines on it with various windows / linux / bsd operating systems. They don't get used much so it's nice to have it all consolidated on one machine.
I also have an ESX server with probably a dozen or so virtual machines on it with various windows / linux / bsd operating systems. They don't get used much so it's nice to have it all consolidated on one machine.
jaye944
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^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE
forget compatability mode and all that **** they wont work,
I keep an old XP machine, its stand alone not on the net, for that purpose
I should have also kept an old 98 machine so I could run my old DOS games
DOOOM anyone
jaye944
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nope it's an emulator and it's a bag of shite.
I did that and couldnt run programs specifically for my XP
also the XP mode is bulky as fcuk,
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Jagmandave
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Beemer, no I won't replace it......I have another older laptop that's a little newer and better equipped than this one so that could become my shop computer. I also have an old desktop that I could use, so there's no shortage of old computers in my house!
BTW, Lubuntu is still running fine on the old one, I typed this post on it and I'm browsing GJ with it today!
I do need to find a driver for the wifi tho.....
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Honestly wouldn't bother with that laptop, it'll be too slow. Find yourself a decent older desktop on CL, I just got one the other day for $20, had a dual-core CPU, 2gb RAM, discrete graphics/audio, 160gb HDD, DVD-RW drive & a custom case. For $20, its an excellent value, and great for the garage. Slap Windows 7 on there, and it'll do all the browsing, video, e-mail, etc. you could need.
James_B
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I have an EPROM programmer that won't run on anything other than a 4.77MHz PC or XT running DOS. It uses machine code timing loops for both the floppy disk "anti-copy" code and the EPROM burn timing, so it won't even run on a 6MHz "Turbo XT". I also have a 74XX family IC tester/identifier that won't run on anything faster than a 286.^^^^^ THIS RIGHT HERE
forget compatability mode and all that **** they wont work,
I keep an old XP machine, its stand alone not on the net, for that purpose
I should have also kept an old 98 machine so I could run my old DOS games
DOOOM anyone
For old DOS games on Windows machines, have a look at DOS Box. I'm running it successfully on my Win 7/64 laptop to run some old DOS games.
I'd upgrade the RAM (if you can cheaply) and install Linux Mint, Lubuntu or Puppy Linux. Otherwise, just donate it and move on. 512 MB of Ram will waste your precious time. Hell, cell phones come with 2 GB's these days.
I'd just pick up a $100 newer laptop with Windows 7 or 8, or drop $250 on a brand new one. My mom just bought a really cool HP convertible for like $180 new. It has a 10" tablet that connects to a keyboard. Best of both worlds.
I'd just pick up a $100 newer laptop with Windows 7 or 8, or drop $250 on a brand new one. My mom just bought a really cool HP convertible for like $180 new. It has a 10" tablet that connects to a keyboard. Best of both worlds.
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12/5 Update
How quickly things change! My friend who doesn't have her own computer - does! But it's not my old laptop......
Her father bought her one for Xmas and gave it to her early when he heard what I was doing, so no reason to worry about my old one now.
It was interesting to learn about Linux tho......and makes you appreciate Windows, Apple and all the other mainstream O/S out there. You don't need any special programs to burn them, they self install and if you need a driver for something they're all out there and ready to go - and the O/S already knows what to do with them and does so pretty seamlessly.
Thanks for all the interest and help from everyone who responded here!
But now I'm thinking about how to use my old desktop to run a good sound system and big screen for the shop.
How quickly things change! My friend who doesn't have her own computer - does! But it's not my old laptop......
Her father bought her one for Xmas and gave it to her early when he heard what I was doing, so no reason to worry about my old one now.
It was interesting to learn about Linux tho......and makes you appreciate Windows, Apple and all the other mainstream O/S out there. You don't need any special programs to burn them, they self install and if you need a driver for something they're all out there and ready to go - and the O/S already knows what to do with them and does so pretty seamlessly.
Thanks for all the interest and help from everyone who responded here!
But now I'm thinking about how to use my old desktop to run a good sound system and big screen for the shop.
EOC_Jason
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Good to hear about your friend getting a new computer.
Don't be dissing linux... lol... Some of us have been running it for over 20 years. I guess it is for the slightly more geeky though. In reality 99% of the time all the drivers are already built-in, you just install and go. Installing 3rd party drivers really depends on the support of the manufacturer, some are excellent and you just run and go, others you have to jump through a ton of hoops...
Don't be dissing linux... lol... Some of us have been running it for over 20 years. I guess it is for the slightly more geeky though. In reality 99% of the time all the drivers are already built-in, you just install and go. Installing 3rd party drivers really depends on the support of the manufacturer, some are excellent and you just run and go, others you have to jump through a ton of hoops...
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OK, you geeky Linux users, tell me how to get my PCI wifi card to work......
Secondly, when I go to shut it down......it doesn't. Yes I know how to hit the right button on the software to shut it down, and while it goes thru the motions, it never seems to finish......hours later it's still trying to shut down.
The only way I can get it to stop is to do a forced shutdown.....then when I restart it, it goes thru several "error" screens. Once up it works as well as ever.
So, if you can't tell me 'how" to fix it, tell me how to learn then, OK?
Oh, and my wife's 7 year old laptop would not boot up the other day, online research indicates the cpu has died.
She said screw it and bought a new one - for $399, it doesn't make sense to fix one anymore, it costs that much for them to tear into it and fix it. Too bad too, as it worked perfectly for 7 years.....and still looked and worked like new - till it didn't.
I took the hard drive out and put it in my 7 year old laptop (the one I'm now going to use in the garage) so she could copy every thing off of it she wants, since the hard drive wasn't bad - I have one of those USB hard drive devices, I'll mount it in there once she gets the new one booted up and running, then she can use it for storage or back up or whatever.
Secondly, when I go to shut it down......it doesn't. Yes I know how to hit the right button on the software to shut it down, and while it goes thru the motions, it never seems to finish......hours later it's still trying to shut down.
The only way I can get it to stop is to do a forced shutdown.....then when I restart it, it goes thru several "error" screens. Once up it works as well as ever.
So, if you can't tell me 'how" to fix it, tell me how to learn then, OK?
Oh, and my wife's 7 year old laptop would not boot up the other day, online research indicates the cpu has died.
She said screw it and bought a new one - for $399, it doesn't make sense to fix one anymore, it costs that much for them to tear into it and fix it. Too bad too, as it worked perfectly for 7 years.....and still looked and worked like new - till it didn't.
I took the hard drive out and put it in my 7 year old laptop (the one I'm now going to use in the garage) so she could copy every thing off of it she wants, since the hard drive wasn't bad - I have one of those USB hard drive devices, I'll mount it in there once she gets the new one booted up and running, then she can use it for storage or back up or whatever.
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I haven't bought a new PC in years. Both my kids are in college, they update/upgrade/replace their PC's and laptops every couple of years, so I get their old ones, wipe the hard drives, install Windows 7 and some more RAM, and enjoy. Got a desktop PC for the shop office, a laptop for using around the shop, an old ASUS netbook that I use for streaming Pandora and other media for the old bigscreen TV out there, old Ipods and cell phones, etc.
Unless it's dead beyond repair or completely outdated, I'll play with it, get it working, and find some use for it.
If you have problems getting a PC to boot from a CD, try using another PC to copy all the files on the CD to a USB, plug the USB into the PC that's giving you problems, and setting the BIOS to boot from the USB. I've done that with several stubborn PC's, worked like a charm.
Unless it's dead beyond repair or completely outdated, I'll play with it, get it working, and find some use for it.
If you have problems getting a PC to boot from a CD, try using another PC to copy all the files on the CD to a USB, plug the USB into the PC that's giving you problems, and setting the BIOS to boot from the USB. I've done that with several stubborn PC's, worked like a charm.
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Jagmandave
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BTW, the new USB 3 protocol really is fast!
The bride bought a new hard drive/usb device so she could use the harddrive out of her last laptop either as storage/backup or to transfer some programs she had loaded on it - it literally took seconds to transfer some pretty large files, multi-gig sized picture folders only took a couple of minutes to move!
The bride bought a new hard drive/usb device so she could use the harddrive out of her last laptop either as storage/backup or to transfer some programs she had loaded on it - it literally took seconds to transfer some pretty large files, multi-gig sized picture folders only took a couple of minutes to move!