yard barn

[Rockerbox1]

Since I can't afford to build my new garage this year, or most likely by next year either, I am building a bigger shed in the yard to hold the lawn mowers, garden tools, etc.
12 by 16, but building it polebarn style. doing that for a few reasons, mainly cost.
Also, I will not be putting a floor in it just yet, for now the floor will be compacted gravel, have reasons for that as well. If I put a cement floor in it, it becomes a permanent structure, and my prop taxes go up, with a gravel floor and posts not set in concrete, it is just an outbuilding, and I don't have to pay the city $75 to get a permission slip to build it, and I also lose out on the opportunity to pay an inspector $25 to $50 to tell me if my little shed is pretty enough for him.

So, the posts actually are set in cement, just not as much as if I were building a pole barn of a bigger size. I dug the holes, stood the posts in them, squared them off, and filled the holes about 1/2 full with cement. good enough to sturdy it a bit, and anchor it a bit, but also I can fill the holes up with earth and gravel and just makes it look like the posts are set in the ground.

Also, rather than siding and roofing it with metal, I am sheeting the roof and using 3tabs, and am using T1-11 type siding.
I need to go pick up a handfull more 2X4's today and haven't bought the roofing yet, but all said and done; building, paint, gravel, and roof on my other yard barn, I will have less than $900 in this build. so far have about $470 in it, and that is OSB for the roof, 6 4X4X 12, 2 4X4x14, the 16 foot 2X6 for the ridge beam, 36 2X4s, 8 2X6T for the apron, and 8 2X6s for the top perlin, and the Pressboard T1-11 type sheet siding.

has anyone else ever built a "pole shed" this small?

will post pics this evening

 

[kmacht]

Please post pictures of the build when you get a chance. I have to put up a shed this spring (cheap metal one collapsed in the snow) and the size and price of your design sound great.

Keith

 

[Highbeam]

Pole barns of any size are cheap to build. Minimal lumber, no foundation, should be a great shed. Can't wait to see pics.

 

[SARG]

I just took the picture through the house window. It was built about thirty years ago using railroad ties as a wall foundation and the balance traditional stick build. It's held up well and the best addition was putting the faded vinyl siding that was removed from the house onto the "always needing paint" T-11.

And a super tip for small buildings with faded vinyl is the "Fusion" spray paint for plastics. I painted this shed three years ago and the applied paint shows no sign of coming off.

It took me three days last fall to replace the shingles .......... 30 years ago it took me three days to build the entire shed.

 

[Rockerbox1]

timeline on Barn so far, Saturday, Two 60+ mile round trips to Menards, one trip to home Depot (only about 10 miles round trip)
then Saturday evening, marked ground and squared up spots for posts. Dug post holes, did best to plumb all posts, braced with kickers and put on 2 rows of perlins to help hold everything in place.
Sunday morning checkd all poles, adjusted a few to plumb them, then filled each hole 1/2 way with cement. now couldn't do anything else rest of day while waiting for cement to set up

Today, about 8:40 +/- went out, started putting on rest of perlins. Made pattern for rafters. cut off tops of posts. made a quick trip to Home Depot (cause I didn't buy enough 2by4s) cut all rafters. Installed them, Installed roof sheeting, and 5 sheets of the siding.

would like to have gotten more done, but some of the neighbors stopped by to introduce themselves (we are new to neighborhood). And since he is a Harley rider, we sat back and BSed for a little over an hour, and after that, I just had a hard time getting going again.

anyway, heres the shed pics as of so far

have to go help my father in law for a bit tomorrow, but hoping to be able to get the rest of the siding on when I get home.

Course now wife tells me she would like me to build a "porch" on the front of the shed, so before it can be completely finnished, I need to pick up a few more 4 by 4s, 2 by 6s, and more osb.

stand by

 

[green.bubbly]

Looks pretty solid. I rebuilt a shed for my sister while living at her spare house. I must say that I am not a fan of the stuff. It has been up for just under a year and it is is warping and sagging already. And I put about five gallons of premium Behr paint on it.

I am liking steel panels more and more now.

Don't forget a couple of pieces of z flashing to put on the tops of the osb on the end walls where the two pieces of osb meet up.

 

[Rockerbox1]

Don't forget a couple of pieces of z flashing to put on the tops of the osb on the end walls where the two pieces of osb meet up.

this stuff isn't T1-11, it's a hardboard type stuff, T1-11 is notorious for doing exactly what you are saying.

As far as the Z strip, I am not using it (couldn't find it at Menards), so I will be be covering the joints where gable meets the walls with 1by4's, as well as the corners of the building. before the 1by4s go up, the walls will be painted and the trim boards will have a couple heavy beads of silicone on the back before nailing them on. Also will probably put a bead of silicone on top of the wall section just before setting the gable section in place.

I have to tell you, I would like to use metal just for the durability of it, but price wise, this stuff is better for me for now

 

[Cuda]

2x4 roof joists? No trusses? Aren't you concerned about snow load?
I'm familiar with the siding you are using. It beats the snot out of T1-11. Especially when it comes time to paint.
Looks good.

 

[Rockerbox1]

2x4 roof joists? No trusses? Aren't you concerned about snow load?
I'm familiar with the siding you are using. It beats the snot out of T1-11. Especially when it comes time to paint.
Looks good.

I knew that would come up......
but no, not really. in all actuality, I should be worried about it, on paper, but
1, 12 foot trusses are way overpriced
2, I keep going back to a room addition my grandpa did many many years back. 16 by 16 room, 1 by 6 ridge pole, and 2 by 4 rafters, 4/12 pitch
it doesn't sag, and it's been standing for a bit over 20 years now

Have you ever seen the yard sheds that companys build and deliver to a customers house? most of them have 2 by 4 rafters.


but, in any case, I am planning on attaching a cross brace from each front rafter to the corresponding rear rafter

 

[Rockerbox1]

I did screw up setting the center posts on the ends tho. I set them offcentered to the front, that way I could attach the ridge pole to the back side of the posts. well it all worked fine, but when cutting the rafters I discovered my math was off, the roof it 1 inch longer in front than in rear (from edge to peak)

I doubt anyone will notice

 

[DARK AGE 53]

coming along very nicely, I think the addition of the porch is a good idea.

 

[Rockerbox1]

coming along very nicely, I think the addition of the porch is a good idea.

yeah, she wants a place to hang a porch swing out in the yard, so yeah, good idea, just wish she woulda said something before I had the facia board already attached. right now the shed is only about 3.5/12 pitch, the porch part will only be about 2/12, but only stick out about 6 foot.

 

[Rockerbox1]

made some progress today, forgot to take pics till after it was dark. Siding is done on ends now. after kids got home from school and after dinner I ran to menards and got the rest of the siding, a window, and all the roofing, so I should be able to about get it wrapped up tomorrow, if it doesn't rain.
And the porch aint happenin, least not this year. figured it up, and if I am going to do it, I want it done good, not just barely good enough, and I want it to look nice, well, that was going to overshoot the budget by about $300, so, not now, maybe next spring

 

[Joe Reed]

Now you've got me thinking! On my small lot I don't have room for anything larger than 12x16....and that would be perfect for all my yard tools, generator, etc....and, if I put a garage door in the end, I could park my MGB in it as well! I didn't want to spend several thousand bucks for a "real" garage that small with a concrete floor, etc. I'm thinking a waterproof membrane (maybe a large tarp?) on the ground covered with gravel might do the trick!

 

[Rockerbox1]

you got it, an overhead door was int he plans here, but decided against it, am making swinging doors for mine. and yes, vapor barriar and grave will make a good enough floor.
If you do one, don't just dump the gravel in, use a plate compactor.
my floor will be 6 inches thick at one end and about 11 at the other end, so I will fill about half full with gravel, compact it, then do a second fill, then compact again

 

[green.bubbly]

this stuff isn't T1-11, it's a hardboard type stuff, T1-11 is notorious for doing exactly what you are saying.

As far as the Z strip, I am not using it (couldn't find it at Menards), so I will be be covering the joints where gable meets the walls with 1by4's, as well as the corners of the building. before the 1by4s go up, the walls will be painted and the trim boards will have a couple heavy beads of silicone on the back before nailing them on. Also will probably put a bead of silicone on top of the wall section just before setting the gable section in place.

I have to tell you, I would like to use metal just for the durability of it, but price wise, this stuff is better for me for now

You have more info on that hardboard? Are you referring to James Hardi type material? T1-11 is what I had used. Worthless ****.

 

[Rockerbox1]

I call it hardboard just because it's made up of about the same stuff as the old 8 or 10 inch wide hardboard lap siding, I think Menards actually calls it smartside fiberboard

heres a link
http://www.lpcorp.com/smartside/panel/

when I bought the first 12 sheets it was on sale for $17 a sheet, bought 4 more sheets yesterday but was $22 per sheet

and T1-11 is ****, like you said. I like the looks of it, as it really closely resembles old roughsawn barn siding, and stained and sealed it can look great, but the **** has no diminsional stability whatsoever, it warps, buckles, delaminates, etc

guy I grew up with used it as siding on his house, been 2 years now and the house waves at you when you drive by. I think bare OSB would last longer than that

 

[Rockerbox1]

ok, got some work done today. started off running to Walmart for some paint, came home and painted the trim pieces for the gable peaks and the front/rear facia boards.
then framed up for my window. by that time trim was dry, so I nailed it on the building, which allowed me to start the roofing. right at 3sq on there. don't have ridge cap on yet. soon as last shingle was on I had to get off the roof, my knee caps were not liking me. so at that point I put on 2 sheets of siding on the front, and got ready to put the window in when it started raining, so I rushed to get it in, got all my tools packed into the garage and other yard barn, cleaned up the mess from the day, and then it stopped raining..... go figure
I'll probably go out in a little bit and paint the rest of the 1by4 trim boards, and cut the 3-n-1 shingles into ridge cap.

won't have any more progress pics for a couple days, have to install a pair of garage doors and openers and a couple storm doors for my brother, will probably take 2 days, maybe longer if I run into any problems.

anyway, on to the pics

this is what it looked like before starting this morning

this is now

for all intents and purposes, I have almost 3 full days into it so far

 

[ranger_dood]

I like this idea! I wonder if I can get away with it in the borough I live in, without having to get permits and all that nonsense. I seem to remember some wording about "free standing" structures, which were defined as those without a foundation.

 

[Rockerbox1]

Finally got to get back to doing some work on my shed today, but dammit is it cold out, mid 30's or so, wind blowing, feels like 25 degrees out
got the siding finnished, started on the trim, and got more of the paint done. as it stands now, I still have about 20 sq ft of the far end left to paint and most of the back side. still have to build a ramp, build the doors, and alot of trim to put up
now that all the siding is on, it looks alot smaller

third pic shows a close-up of the window trim, still unsure if I like it or not, thinking I may rip the 1X6 off the top and replace with a 1X4.

 

[kevin p]

great barn rocker, how much space between poles, and are them poles .60 pressure treated.

 

[Rockerbox1]

yes, PT poles, front and back walls are a bit under 8 foot between poles, end walls are a bit under 6 foot between. Basicly set the poles forming the 11'9" by 15'9" rectangle

 

[Rockerbox1]

well here it is. still need to paint trim on doors and put up a couple 1X4 trim boards, but you get the idea

ended up being a little over budget but not much, went over $1000, but still under $1100

 

[keduner]

Great piece of work. Congratulations.

 

[lowbucktruck]

Looks good!

 

[Bevis]

Looks good. Staked out a 12x16 spot today, thinking of building myself a shed for the lawn mower and other yard tools.

 

[Rockerbox1]

Looks good. Staked out a 12x16 spot today, thinking of building myself a shed for the lawn mower and other yard tools.

Thanks, it's a pretty sturdy building. my gravel gets delivered today so I can do the "floor"
then I can finally get my mowers out of my garage and get back to work on my bike. Riding season is just around the corner and my fatboy is still in pieces cause I don't have room to walk around it in my garage

If you do build your shed, post up pics

 

[BEAVO]

thats nice so what do you think was your total for the building im wanting something like this for the lawnmower and few the kids yard toys

 

[lonestarky]

Looks awesome. I'd leave the 1X6 just like it is. I'd like to build something like that as well, but I don't really have a good place in the back of my .22 acre lot. My only spot would be next to the house, and I worry about water running off the roof and down next to the slab for my house. I want to get my lawnmower out of my garage, but not bad enough to possibly sink my master bedroom.

Overall, I'm extremely impressed with the speed you got that completed.

 

[Rockerbox1]

thats nice so what do you think was your total for the building im wanting something like this for the lawnmower and few the kids yard toys

as of today with the gravel, I have $1230 in it. $200 over budget, but all in all, not too bad

 

[SweetD]

I'd kill for a shed that size. I'm stuck with my 8' x 8'. It's maxed out. Nice work!

Dave

 

[JCQuick]

lets see pics of the inside with the gravel floor

 

[vtx531]

Nice work!!! I am suprised more people don't do this.

I am going to try a very similar idea this summer - 16 x 8 pole shed but it will be attached to my garage and matching the house with vinyl siding and shingles. It's going to just have a regular steel door though. I will put bikes, patio furniture, yard equipment, etc in there to free up the garage. Riding mower won't fit but everything else will...

How much did the gravel cost? How did you dig the holes and what size holes? Did you do footings? Details on footings if so please. Will you have to backfill dirt on the left side or just let the gravel spill out and fill the gap?

 

[Rockerbox1]

I will try to get pics later of the inside with the gravel in. to keep it from spilling out under the bottom purlin I covered the ground inside with heavy plastic and some left over roofing felt before hauling the gravel in. I covered the ground and then ran it up and stapled to the bottom purlin. on the outside I packed some dirt and gravel up against the building and sloping away from it.
I ended up putting some platic down outside of the shed (in the front) and covered with the same gravel. this makes it easier to mow around.

 

[birdman1]

Nice looking building--I'm sure it will serve your needs well.
Mike

 

[vtx531]

Nice work!!! I am suprised more people don't do this.

I am going to try a very similar idea this summer - 16 x 8 pole shed but it will be attached to my garage and matching the house with vinyl siding and shingles. It's going to just have a regular steel door though. I will put bikes, patio furniture, yard equipment, etc in there to free up the garage. Riding mower won't fit but everything else will...

How much did the gravel cost? How did you dig the holes and what size holes? Did you do footings? Details on footings if so please. Will you have to backfill dirt on the left side or just let the gravel spill out and fill the gap?

Any updates? I jsut talekd to the building guy and for various reasons I'm not going to be able to do what I planned. I guess I will have to do a yard shed like this even though I'd rather not.

 

[onething]

Any updates? I jsut talekd to the building guy and for various reasons I'm not going to be able to do what I planned. I guess I will have to do a yard shed like this even though I'd rather not.

I was about to do the same thing on the back of my shop. What 'problems', vtx531?

 

[vtx531]

I was about to do the same thing on the back of my shop. What 'problems', vtx531?

The gas/electric lines run right under the spot. That is why I thought I could use pole construction to have the poles straddle the lines but he said you can't build anything on top of them. Also, he said I couldn't do an overhang on the roofline to match the house roof. Not sure why, I still don't really understand why not but I stopped paying attention once I knew I couldn't do it.

 

[BUGTHUG]

That looks like the right size for a chicken coop. Nice job, looks like a pro built it.

 

[vtx531]

I started on mine - here is the build Small Pole Barn