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I have a few cordless tool batteries that will not charge. The Youtube has lots of videos of people "zapping" them to wake them up and then they charge. People use other batteries, car chargers, welders, power supplies, etc. Does this really work?
 
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I'd say it's time to join the Lithium Ion crowd and get some new tools and batteries.

I assume you have NiCad batteries currently. To answer your question, yes, it can work with these batteries assuming the problem with your batteries is the correct problem that zapping fixes. Zapping won't fix all problems with the NiCads, but can fix some.
 

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Most of those are fake.... I'll take it with a grain of salt... (large grain)... in theory... it might work on ni-cads / Lead acid that have the memory effect, ... but not shorted batteries ni-cad or lead acid or Li-Ion batteries in general.... and might be out right dangerous on Li-Ion.

For li-ion, the connections goes through some electronics... so zapping it with a higher voltage won't work. I do charge individual cells at a higher voltage of 4.5V-ish (4.2 was max recommend) directly to try and revive them to a chargeable state.... most chargers won't charge the Li-ion if it falls below 3.x volt on the cell , I think, less than 10% of the time it worked... as most of the cells that are depleted down to that level have issues.... keeping the charge even if the chargers are charging them... internal shorted.

For Ni-Cads in theory, that are crystallized / memory ....Never had it worked, in theory, even if it worked, it might not have the same capacity as the original state.... and most of the time it won't work....
 

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I have a few cordless tool batteries that will not charge. The Youtube has lots of videos of people "zapping" them to wake them up and then they charge. People use other batteries, car chargers, welders, power supplies, etc. Does this really work?

Did it once where the batteries sit for a long period. These were nicads it did work. Doesn't fix them all. I went lithium and never looked back.:thumbup:
 

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I've tried it on some old NiCad's that had sat for a long time and would not charge, the charger wouldn't recognize them, I measured the voltage and they were zero volts so the charger didn't see them. I think they were 3.6 volt cordless screwdriver batteries, I hit them with 12 volts for just a second and then put them on the charger and they stared to charge. But I would say once a battery is that discharged for that long they will never be the same but you might get some more life out of them.
 

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Ni-cads develop nickel hairs that short out the battery. Zapping them with a high voltage and current can burn out the shorts and restore at least partial capacity. I made a zapper for this 20 years ago and about 70% of the time it worked. Don't try this on Lithium batteries. Best to replace the Ni-cads preferably with lithium-ion.

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It does not bring them back to new or restore them in any way I don't think.

I have tried this on some B&D 14.4 nicad batteries and yes it made them charge but soon as they sit they are completely dead again and also when they did charge they didn't last long.

I tested the voltage with a volt meterand they read fine till under load they would drop way down.

Just don't even consider "zapping" it's carp when the batteries are junk they are junk, you can rebuild them with cheap cells or buy new replacements but either way it's going to be costly just upgrade to lithium my friend .

Old Nicad battery tools are dinosaurs or an old coffee maker or toaster just toss them you got use out of it now time to move on.

Just to add I never even got much use out of the b&d every time I went to use the drill it was dead so maybe used it once it was the it th anniversary all aluminum model it was pure junk .

I upgraded to Makita 18v and it's always ready and even after I use them the batteries are still fully charged and won't charge on the charger I've been amazed they can sit for 3 months or more even.
 

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Zapping them is a temporary fix, to a permanent problem.

Sorry
 

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I supported a fleet (hundreds of units) of Li-ion battery operated computer equipment in a hospital. Batteries were a real pain. My research, backed by real world experience, is that Li-ion batteries have a rating and most live up to it. In my case, the battery life was either 5 years or 500 charges. Life was shortened if they were exposed to temps below 45 degrees or above 100 degrees. In the hospital, temps were not a big issue but the max charges got us every time. I implemented a protocol where we wrote the receipt date on each battery. All equipment received for repair where the battery was > 5 years old received a new battery. Batteries that would not charge properly were discarded because they were at end of life. Just do the math. A device used in a 7/24 unit could be charged two or even three times a day. The 500 charge life cycle limit could be exceeded in less than a year.

Li-ion batteries go bad all the time. The fix is a new battery. Resistance to the laws of physics is futile. :deadhorse
 

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I have used a car charger on jumpstart mode to zap Nicads aa and AAA and also 18v battery packs also Nicads. It does work. It's something you want to start with a little amount of zaps and test and see if the battery will charge. I would definitely have full face shield protection.
 
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It works...

By fooling the smart charger into thinking it has been connected to a battery that is in adequate condition.

In 45 minutes, your battery will be a charged POS that won't work as well as a good battery, but might do alright especially in low draw tools.
 

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Sounds like home use batteries should be stored inside the house and not in the garge.
I supported a fleet (hundreds of units) of Li-ion battery operated computer equipment in a hospital. Batteries were a real pain. My research, backed by real world experience, is that Li-ion batteries have a rating and most live up to it. In my case, the battery life was either 5 years or 500 charges. Life was shortened if they were exposed to temps below 45 degrees or above 100 degrees. In the hospital, temps were not a big issue but the max charges got us every time. I implemented a protocol where we wrote the receipt date on each battery. All equipment received for repair where the battery was > 5 years old received a new battery. Batteries that would not charge properly were discarded because they were at end of life. Just do the math. A device used in a 7/24 unit could be charged two or even three times a day. The 500 charge life cycle limit could be exceeded in less than a year.

Li-ion batteries go bad all the time. The fix is a new battery. Resistance to the laws of physics is futile. :deadhorse
 

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What happens is old NiCd's grow mineral spikes between the plates of the cells, shorting them out. They are. called dendrites. When you zap a battery pack with something like a car battery the big surge of current blows the dendrites apart like a blown fuse. The affected cells are no longer shorted and will now take a charge. If you charge up an old pack and you measure the voltage. You can tell how many cells are shorted by how many multiples of 1.2 volts you are down. Eg., if you have a 14.4 volt nicad and it reads 10.8 volts 3 cells are shorted. After zapping you can see if you unshorted all the cells by reading the voltage. The fact is that dendrites grow back, the cells are already in crummy condition and the results are very mixed but you might get some more use out of the batteries. Occassionally it works pretty well.

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I have had mixed results, but found that you have to zap the individual batteries, which means opening the battery case. Trying to zap all the batteries strung together has never worked for me.

YMMV.

Jim
 

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one of the perks of having an electric golf cart
I can dial in the voltage needed from 6v to 36v
yes it does work
be careful and use a very small jumper that will act like a fuse and heat up to let you know if its overloaded.
do it quick and it will spark ,dont leave connected too long,again use the jumper as an overload indicator
 

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I have had mixed results, but found that you have to zap the individual batteries, which means opening the battery case. Trying to zap all the batteries strung together has never worked for me.

YMMV.

Jim
We both used the wrong terms. I said between the cells when I meant to say between the plates (of one cell). A battery is a bunch of cells. One of those things inside the case is a cell. A gun battery is a bunch of cannons. You are quite right. It is better to hit the shorted cells separately rather than running the "zap" through the whole pack. I think it is just a matter of convenience to hit the whole battery first to see if you can clear the short(s) without opening it up.

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Most of those are fake.... I'll take it with a grain of salt... (large grain)... in theory... it might work on ni-cads / Lead acid that have the memory effect, ... but not shorted batteries ni-cad or lead acid or Li-Ion batteries in general.... and might be out right dangerous on Li-Ion.

For li-ion, the connections goes through some electronics... so zapping it with a higher voltage won't work. I do charge individual cells at a higher voltage of 4.5V-ish (4.2 was max recommend) directly to try and revive them to a chargeable state.... most chargers won't charge the Li-ion if it falls below 3.x volt on the cell , I think, less than 10% of the time it worked... as most of the cells that are depleted down to that level have issues.... keeping the charge even if the chargers are charging them... internal shorted.

For Ni-Cads in theory, that are crystallized / memory ....Never had it worked, in theory, even if it worked, it might not have the same capacity as the original state.... and most of the time it won't work....
Zapping is strictly for NiCds. That Lithium battery internal circuitry. Is specifically to prevent over charging and over discharging. Over charged Lithim batteries overheat and do catch fire. Ask Sony and Samsung. Don't even think of trying this with a lithium battery.

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I zapped small button batteries(not rechargeable) , it really works .
Had some results with motorcycle lead-acid ...
Had some results with ni-cad but just to get a job done .

Zapping small non rechargeable actually works the best of all... will restore the battery to almost new but only works one time .

Did it with a tig welder about one sec zap at 20x the Amperage
 

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My experience w NiCds is that the usual failure mode is overdischarging the pack, which results in the weakest cells getting a reverse charge which destroys them. My packs lasted a lot longer when I slapped then on the charger as soon as I noticed a bit of a down.

Interstate Battery will rebuild packs for a reasonable price; much cheaper than throwing away a working tool and buying a li-ion replacement.

That said, I do love my new M12 hex driver.

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I zapped one of my Porter Cable 20V Lithium batteries...Accidentally left the flashlight on..and it drained the battery to below what the charger would accept. It was down to 2.3 volts. I used the leads from my tester, and a 12v car charger and brought it up to 4volts..charged fine after that...seems to have had no effect on run time..I was already shopping for a new battery..and figured the battery was junk..so it was worth a try.. So i know it does work in certain situations..
 

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I zapped one of my Porter Cable 20V Lithium batteries...Accidentally left the flashlight on..and it drained the battery to below what the charger would accept. It was down to 2.3 volts. I used the leads from my tester, and a 12v car charger and brought it up to 4volts..charged fine after that...seems to have had no effect on run time..I was already shopping for a new battery..and figured the battery was junk..so it was worth a try.. So i know it does work in certain situations..

that's not zapping
 

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My experience w NiCds is that the usual failure mode is overdischarging the pack, which results in the weakest cells getting a reverse charge which destroys them. My packs lasted a lot longer when I slapped then on the charger as soon as I noticed a bit of a down.

Interstate Battery will rebuild packs for a reasonable price; much cheaper than throwing away a working tool and buying a li-ion replacement.

That said, I do love my new M12 hex driver.

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The NiCd's that benefit from zapping are not reverse charged. The cells that have grown a mineral spike between the + and - plates are dead shorted and read zero. Zapping puts so much current rhrough them the spikes blow like a fuse. I am not sure if reverse charged cells can be reversed again under the right charging conditions. In either of these cases, you are just playing for time as the battery is in poor condition. There could be other spikes that have not made it all the way across and will not be affected by a zap. It is just a quick fix until you can replace them. I rebuild my NiCd packs with Tenergy cells that I find to be good quality and not expensive. A lot of the generic stuff on ebay is of questionable quality. I have not rebuilt a Lithium yet but the Pannasonic cells are supposed to be good.

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Most of those are fake.... I'll take it with a grain of salt... (large grain)... in theory... it might work on ni-cads / Lead acid that have the memory effect, ... but not shorted batteries ni-cad or lead acid or Li-Ion batteries in general.... and might be out right dangerous on Li-Ion.

For li-ion, the connections goes through some electronics... so zapping it with a higher voltage won't work. I do charge individual cells at a higher voltage of 4.5V-ish (4.2 was max recommend) directly to try and revive them to a chargeable state.... most chargers won't charge the Li-ion if it falls below 3.x volt on the cell , I think, less than 10% of the time it worked... as most of the cells that are depleted down to that level have issues.... keeping the charge even if the chargers are charging them... internal shorted.

For Ni-Cads in theory, that are crystallized / memory ....Never had it worked, in theory, even if it worked, it might not have the same capacity as the original state.... and most of the time it won't work....
It is just the NiCds with shorted cells that it does work on. Old NiCds grow mineral spikes on the plates, called dendrites. When they reach all the way from the + to the - plate, the cell is shorted. The dendrites are very thin like the element in a fuse. By momentarilly applying a high voltage source, capable of a lot of current, like a car battery or a welder or a high current battery charger the dendrite can be blown apart, like a fuse. At this point the battery is already in poor shape and other dendrites that might be close to shorting the battery are still growing and will soon create a new short. Sometimes zapping lasts for quite a while, sometimes not. It is not fake but the results are mixed. If you have an old NiCd you have little to loose. A coworker brought in a bunch of Craftsman NiCd's that we zapped. He said a couple of them were still working months later. The charged battery voltage tells you if you have shorted cells and if you hsve cleared the shorts. Each cell adds 1.2 volts to the total voltage any loss of 1.2, 2.4, 3.6 volts, etc tells you how many shorted cells you have. Old NiCd's loose capacity. Zapping does not recondition them, it only clears shorts.

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It is just the NiCds with shorted cells that it does work on. Old NiCds grow mineral spikes on the plates, called dendrites. When they reach all the way from the + to the - plate, the cell is shorted. The dendrites are very thin like the element in a fuse. By momentarilly applying a high voltage source, capable of a lot of current, like a car battery or a welder or a high current battery charger the dendrite can be blown apart, like a fuse. At this point the battery is already in poor shape and other dendrites that might be close to shorting the battery are still growing and will soon create a new short. Sometimes zapping lasts for quite a while, sometimes not. It is not fake but the results are mixed. If you have an old NiCd you have little to loose. A coworker brought in a bunch of Craftsman NiCd's that we zapped. He said a couple of them were still working months later. The charged battery voltage tells you if you have shorted cells and if you hsve cleared the shorts. Each cell adds 1.2 volts to the total voltage any loss of 1.2, 2.4, 3.6 volts, etc tells you how many shorted cells you have. Old NiCd's loose capacity. Zapping does not recondition them, it only clears shorts.

^ Correct.

And I will point out here that the correct way to do this procedure for the best results is to apply the high current to the individual shorted CELL in the battery string, not to the entire pack. The non-shorted cells present a much higher resistance to the flow of current. This means that you have to take the batteries out of their enclosure and measure the voltage across each individual cell to determine which cells are shorted.

I used to do this all the time about 25 years ago to my 9.6V Makita batteries. Switching to lithium-ion batteries is the real solution. The only use for ni-cd batteries that I can see today is in very low temperatures, which li-ion batteries really don't like.
 
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