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Mike, I'm with the guys above - keep the smaller trailer. I have a small utility trailer and the tilt bed JimGlo car hauler. Each serves its purpose and I don't want to get rid of either. I also have the small bed (5'7") on my Ram, so need the utility trailer to haul larger items. With your setup, you obviously have room to store it, so it being in the way isn't a problem. It's really just an opportunity cost (i.e., the opportunity to put some cash in your pocket!!). Long term, I think you'll be happier that you kept it!
 
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Mike, I have a 2017 18' tilt bed from Top Notch Trailers (Rochester WA) I was going to suggest you look for one of these as they are west coast made, but in researching today it appears the company did not survive covid, they are now closed. (unless you can find a good used one) I bought this from a Sailor who was relocating from WA to PAX here locally, and he bought it to move his car cross country. So when I bought it there was one cross country trip on it and it was just over 7 months old. I absolutely love this trailer and not having to fool with ramps. I have since added an 8500 lb winch and this comes in handy for moving those non-powered projects or machinery. This replaced an enclosed trailer, we had a 16x8.5 enclosed and a 28x8.5 enclosed at one time when the wife was heavy into auctions.

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Thanks for the comments guys. Much appreciated.

I really hate to sell the utility trailer but my thinking was that I could sell the trailer and only have to spend about $3k-$4k difference vs. the whole $8k that I'm looking at for the car hauler I want. I thought about building a car hauler but to be honest, by the time I buy the nice components that I would insist on having for a car hauler, it really isn't saving much, especially taking my time into account.

I guess I will just save up a bit longer and add a car hauler to the fleet and keep the small utility trailer as I don't really want to tap into savings right now as we've spent so much lately and I refuse to dip into our savings any more.
 
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Mike, I have a 2017 18' tilt bed from Top Notch Trailers (Rochester WA) I was going to suggest you look for one of these as they are west coast made, but in researching today it appears the company did not survive covid, they are now closed. (unless you can find a good used one) I bought this from a Sailor who was relocating from WA to PAX here locally, and he bought it to move his car cross country. So when I bought it there was one cross country trip on it and it was just over 7 months old. I absolutely love this trailer and not having to fool with ramps. I have since added an 8500 lb winch and this comes in handy for moving those non-powered projects or machinery. This replaced an enclosed trailer, we had a 16x8.5 enclosed and a 28x8.5 enclosed at one time when the wife was heavy into auctions.

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Thanks Robert. That's a sharp looking trailer, love the wheel choice and the pinstriping. Nice old school and "kustom" looking trailer and have considered a tilt bed but still leaning slightly towards ramps.

**Robert, on edit, does your trailer have torsion axles or are they leaf sprung?
 
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Mike, I'll cast another vote for tilt bed. Mine is a 2011 JimGlo out of AZ. They make a quality trailer (not cheap!!) and customer service is outstanding. In 2012 I lost a wheel off the trailer during a trip to Flagstaff. I found a trailer place to install new studs, but they didn't have a proper wheel. A call to the JimGlo owner to explain what happened, he offered to meet me halfway with a replacement wheel I could give back to him a month or so later at the Goodguys Lonestar Nationals. Wouldn't let me buy his gas or anything!
 

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I was able to find the number for the guy I communicated with @ Vyper during my welding stool research. I actually had written it down on my paperwork when I received the stool to keep on hand and I had forgotten.

Unfortunately, it did no good. I sent the email last Thursday and a text Friday after locating the phone number and I haven't heard back from anyone.

I hope they're not just washing their hands of me. I was able to straighten the original bent fan fairly well, which has allowed me to use the fan as the past couple of weeks have been hovering around the century mark. However, I'd like to have one that isn't damaged, especially for the premium I paid for this fan compared to anything else on the market.
I wonder if you could swap the good blade? If there is anyone that could, it's you.
 
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I wonder if you could swap the good blade? If there is anyone that could, it's you.

Not sure I understand what you mean about swapping the "good" blade? I don't have a good blade, both the one that came with it originally as well as the replacement sent last week were damaged. I straightened the original one and have it on the fan currently so I can use it but I'd just like one that wasn't damaged and repaired.
 

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I am nearly in your position re: trailers. I have a 4'x7' utility trailer that my grandfather built in 1958 from 2.5t Mil truck bed side boards (keeping it regardless) and I need a vehicle hauling trailer just often enough to make renting a U-Haul a PITA. A friend of mine built his hauler with some unusual features that really resonate with me. It is short, about 120" wheelbase is all it will fit and the rear bumper of the vehicle is further to the rear than the rear of the trailer in most cases. It is a single, 8K axle with 14 ply trailer tires. He doesn't and I'm not likely to be hauling Vintage or Collector vehicles on this/these trailers, so it being shorter than the vehicle isn't the crash issue that it would be for others, yet it makes storing it much easier. I like the idea of NOT having a tandem axled trailer. It is much, much easier to move single axle trailers around the yard. The longest WB in my current inventory of vehicles likely to ever be put on this trailer is 130" and I'm thinking to sell it. I'll design for 80" - 120" WB's.
He uses ramps, but I hate them. I'm trying to work out a way to "relax" (adjust?) a Torflex suspension enough that ramps are not needed. Not going to modify the Torflex itself, but allow what it is mounted on to move in a way that droops the rear of the trailer to the ground or reasonably close.
 
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Swap this for a good one from the other blade. There could be a balance issue but the rivets are close enough in that it should work.


Okay, I see what you mean by swapping out a blade now. I guess I could as I have some solid rivets but I've straightened the original blade pretty well so doubt there will be any difference and I would worry more about balance on swapping out a single blade vs. straightening the one I did.
 

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I'm parking space limited and would sell the little guy.
Kinda in the same boat myself. Would like to get a V8 sand car and would need dual axle car trailer, which would double as tow truck. Enough axle to also haul my 6k truck (3500s not enough).
Down side is my quad can handle a 6.5x12 but not a 18-20 dual axle.
 
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Gravity fed, no hydraulics. Probably why the original cost was relatively inexpensive for a tilt bed...

Thanks for the quick reply Robert. In trying to keep both costs down as well as weight that was what I was looking at as well, just a hydraulically dampened deck.

Does your deck pivot in front of the front axle or is the axle/spring assemblies part of the front tongue frame structure? Hope that makes sense. I've seen some pivot as just the tongue and others have the deck that sits completely on top of the entire front frame structure which also incorporates the suspension and axles. To keep weight down I would think pivoting just ahead of the front axle would be the way to go.


Perhaps hand the smaller trailer down to your son? Then it's still available should you need to use it.

We have more space to park it than he does so it would make sense to just keep it at our place as he has access to it whenever he needs.
 

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Thanks for the quick reply Robert. In trying to keep both costs down as well as weight that was what I was looking at as well, just a hydraulically dampened deck.

Does your deck pivot in front of the front axle or is the axle/spring assemblies part of the front tongue frame structure? Hope that makes sense. I've seen some pivot as just the tongue and others have the deck that sits completely on top of the entire front frame structure which also incorporates the suspension and axles. To keep weight down I would think pivoting just ahead of the front axle would be the way to go.




We have more space to park it than he does so it would make sense to just keep it at our place as he has access to it whenever he needs.


It has a pivot back by the front axle. I can get a picture of it this evening for you..
 
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It has a pivot back by the front axle. I can get a picture of it this evening for you..

Thanks Robert. I would appreciate any pictures of the pivot area and suspension area, tongue, etc. that you would be willing to share.

Now you've got me contemplating fabricating one. I love the looks of yours as it looks sleek and stylish, just what I am looking to do. I saw a tilt deck one a few weeks ago and what turned me off was that it looked like it should be hauling a skid-steer or front end loader, not a sleek car hauler like yours.

I would appreciate any pictures you could share.

Thank you.
 

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Mike,

Been following your thread for quite a while - I'm sure that you see this regularly, but your thread is extremely inspiring to most of us in the garage in terms of your efficiency, layout, skills, etc. As I continue to progress on my personal projects and garage, I find inspiration in your workmanship and thread. Thank you for that.

Regarding the trailer question - I am in the same camp as everyone else telling you to keep the little utility trailer and purchase the car trailer as a secondary trailer. I was in a similar boat recently, weighing if I should sell my utility trailer now that I recognized a need for an enclosed trailer to add to the fleet. In the end, I kept the utility trailer, it is just too handy to have a smaller trailer that is easy to move around and not an entire ordeal when you just need to get to the hardware store for mulch, dirt, etc. Taking the car hauler to the home improvement store to pick up sheet rock turns into much more of headache than it needs to.
 
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Mike,

Been following your thread for quite a while - I'm sure that you see this regularly, but your thread is extremely inspiring to most of us in the garage in terms of your efficiency, layout, skills, etc. As I continue to progress on my personal projects and garage, I find inspiration in your workmanship and thread. Thank you for that.

Regarding the trailer question - I am in the same camp as everyone else telling you to keep the little utility trailer and purchase the car trailer as a secondary trailer. I was in a similar boat recently, weighing if I should sell my utility trailer now that I recognized a need for an enclosed trailer to add to the fleet. In the end, I kept the utility trailer, it is just too handy to have a smaller trailer that is easy to move around and not an entire ordeal when you just need to get to the hardware store for mulch, dirt, etc. Taking the car hauler to the home improvement store to pick up sheet rock turns into much more of headache than it needs to.


Thank you for the kind words and for continuing to follow along.

The more I have read all the comments and the more I bounce this around in my head I just hate to sell the utility trailer that I spent so much time and effort to build. I don't think I would get anywhere near the value out of it compared to the mass produced junk that is out there. I really put a lot of thought and custom touches into the little utility trailer and I highly doubt I would be able to get anyone to buy it that would fully appreciate those details.

That being said, to keep costs down a little I've been doing some research, especially after Robert (@ MP&C) posted up pictures of his badass trailer, and I am very seriously contemplating just building a car hauler with the same degree of detail as my utility trailer to compliment one another rather than replace.

This will also allow me to purchase some of the parts in stages and prepare to build so it will have less of an impact on the wallet. Then when I have the majority of the parts I will obtain the steel and maybe turn it into a winter project so it will be ready to roll outside and paint come springtime.

At least that is my thinking at this point.
 
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I had a 16' buggy hauler that didn't have enough axle or structure to haul a heavier vehicle, but was always excessively long for my 4 seat UTV. At the same time it wasn't long enough to stick my kid's UTV on with the 4 seater. I ended up chopping it down to a 14' and converted it from a gate to ramps. I get better mileage now behind the half ton, and it's more compact which always makes life easier. My plan is to buy a 20' or 22' steel deck drive over fender car hauler to fit both UTV's (kid's sideways) and have it be heavy duty enough to haul any truck, Jeep, buggy. I'll keep the 14' trailer as a utility trailer and for when we're only taking one UTV or bikes/quads.

I'd say if you don't need the funds, keep both around and see if you end up using it still. If not, sell it. I'd much rather use that little trailer to go pick something up than dragging around a heavy car hauler.
 

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Mike, I’m guessing that a requirement of any friends who visit your home is that their vehicles won’t leak on that pristine concrete? My 57 Willys would disgrace itself within minutes. Beautiful property you maintain.

best, John
 

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I know I’m late to the trailer convo, but I would say keep your little open trailer. It is ever so annoying to have to pull out the 30’ trailer to move a lawnmower or a single dirtbike when I can’t lift them into the bed of a truck as easy. Snow blower or any lawn tractor can go on that little trailer with ease. Not sure where you would haul one…. Maybe to help a coworker or something….

As for the idea of building one. I’d bet 8/10 chances you would look at some of our local build trailers and if you crawled under and seen the quality. You might just change your tune and build to your standards.
Iv seen shackles fall off of Big Bubba trailers due to no weld penetration, the “workhorse” company you drive by on the way home I can’t speak to.
What other brands or models of trailers have ya looked at?
 

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I'm currently(ish) converting an old camper trailer into an 18' tilt bed, and my plan is to hopefully find a tongue jack with enough travel to do the tilt [I already made a 1-14 nut in ampco in case I have to make it]. By moving the load, raising the bed "loaded" should be doable, and well going down is "downhill after all! I plan on only tilting the bed until my ~6' ramps are straight with the deck. And I also have a 4.5' by about to be 10' (8' now) utility trailer with 2' sides, much better for somethings than a flatbed. Oh and easier to get a skid where it needs to be for weight distribution at 8-12' long, @ 18-20' your load is one skid right on the back or one right at the front, [wheels usually preclude the center] neither is ideal and two isn't always plan either. Harry
 

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Mike, I too am a little late to the trailer discussion but since I just went through the internal debate on buying a new trailer I'll toss out my $0.02. Keep the utility trailer, I had a 16' utility trailer with 2 3.5k axles that got used as a car hauler more than it should. I needed something bigger so I got a 8' x 20' bumper pull with drive over fenders with 2 7k axles. I got it more for farm work, tractors, hay, etc., but expected to be able to use it to haul cars or trucks on occasion. It is a massive trailer that is a pain to use compared to my utility trailer which is currently on "permanent" loan. I believe I'd use a small 10' utility trailer a lot more often than just the bigger trailers. Now I've also been eye balling a tilt deck trailer for hauling my low cars as they can't make it up the ramps on either of the trailers I have now.

As far as build quality, I could find nothing in my price range of under $7,000 that had everything I wanted and was built to a high quality, they were all built as production models with speed of manufacture at the forefront. Luckily all I had to do on this one was replace all of the quick connect wiring connectors with new crimp connectors and heat shrink tubing, everything else was very well done but I could tell they cheaped out on that part of the wiring. I vote to build one and get exactly what you want.

JB
 

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If I were to sell my enclosed and go open car hauler, I'd either get aluminum (featherlite or similar) or I'd get a Kwik Load

I still think I'd keep the smaller trailer, it's just easier to get in/out of home improvement lots n such for small material runs.
 
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Mike, I’m guessing that a requirement of any friends who visit your home is that their vehicles won’t leak on that pristine concrete? My 57 Willys would disgrace itself within minutes. Beautiful property you maintain.

best, John

Thank you John, I very much appreciate the comments about our property. It has been a 6 year endeavor now and is finally in "maintain" mode which I much prefer over the build mode, at least when it comes to yards. ;) I am proud of the work my wife, son and I have put into the property but more importantly, I'm proud of what we've been able to purchase and create during our 34 years of marriage. It has been a team effort and at times, still feels like a dream and I have to pinch myself to make sure it's real.
 
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Tilt bed details


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@ MP&C, Robert, thank you VERY much for the detailed pics of your trailer. A tilt was not really something I was considering. I have had no experience with them and only considered ramps due to lower cost plus as all my trailers have had either ramps or a big ramp door but the ease of loading a tilt is really intriguing to me now.

Thank you.


I know I’m late to the trailer convo, but I would say keep your little open trailer. It is ever so annoying to have to pull out the 30’ trailer to move a lawnmower or a single dirtbike when I can’t lift them into the bed of a truck as easy. Snow blower or any lawn tractor can go on that little trailer with ease. Not sure where you would haul one…. Maybe to help a coworker or something….

As for the idea of building one. I’d bet 8/10 chances you would look at some of our local build trailers and if you crawled under and seen the quality. You might just change your tune and build to your standards.
Iv seen shackles fall off of Big Bubba trailers due to no weld penetration, the “workhorse” company you drive by on the way home I can’t speak to.
What other brands or models of trailers have ya looked at?

Funny you mention build quality Dave. A few weeks ago when my son sprung on me he was looking at purchasing a project within a day or so I had to scramble and was looking locally at a couple of trailer manufacturers and distributors.

I was sickened by three things, price, aesthetics and build quality. For me to come up with a trailer in a very short period of time I was looking at $7k plus and they were NOT what I would call "well built". I walked around a less expensive brand at Wasatch Trailer in Kaysville (imported from Mexico and closer to $5800) and commented to the person showing me around that the welds looked like a freakin' 4-year old laid them down, not to mention the heavy pig weighed approx. 3k pounds.

As for a couple of the more popular car haulers they sold, they were more like heavy equipment trailers and not a sleek or stylish open race trailer that I was searching for. I tried to explain to the person what it was I was looking for and they showed me a PJ trailer and that was the closest they had to what I wanted. I have a few friends that own PJ's and they seem to be nice and well built but still not exactly what I am looking for. I guess I couldn't convey the image of what I wanted as a sleek and stylish race trailer because they kept showing me these heavy *** equipment trailers that were labeled as "car haulers".

Big Bubba's was a joke to talk to as they just make cookie cutter trailers and don't break away from their mold as far as what they offer. I started talking about upgrading to a bit heavier axles and tongue length and I immediately lost their attention. If they didn't have it in stock or one of their production models, they weren't interested. I talked to Big Tex as well as my last 18' open flatbed was a Big Tex and it served me well for the 15 or so years I owned it. I modified it some during a rebuild about 5 years after purchasing it but I hauled a lot of projects on that thing and it was more in line with what I was looking for but they still only put 3500 pound axles under them and the standard 4" channel frame and they wouldn't deviate from their design or were they eager to provide me with "upgrades".

The only one I have seen recently firsthand that I have been impressed with was Diamond C. A client of mine that I've done some differential work for over the past couple of years just bought one and I was impressed with the design and even the build quality. I contacted him and asked a few questions and he pointed me to the dealer in Lehi. I ran down and looked at them and really liked it but the price was pushing $9k by the time I pulled away with it after taxes and licensing and that was with no spare tire.

When I built my utility trailer back in 2015 I swore I'd never build another trailer. First because I didn't think I'd ever need another one and second because I got carried away during the utility trailer build with all of the details and it just kept adding to the construction time as the build kept dragging on.

I am not in a hurry now that my son has come to his senses and has given me time to get my **** in order so I am actually leaning more towards building just because I can't find what I'm looking for to compliment my fleet.

Just doing some quick searches for axles, spring kits, coupler, fenders and a few other necessities and a rough calculation of steel I think I can build one for about 50%-60% of what I've been looking at so far. I have actually been surprised at the cost of trailers as I haven't priced any in a few years. I remember when I sold my Big Tex trailer around 2014/2015 timeframe, new comparable trailers were in the $3k- $3800 range and now you can't touch anything similar for less than about $7k and a little more if you want one that doesn't look like a four-year-old threw it together.

I think this may make a nice winter project if I can get my **** caught up within the next couple of months. Maybe I'll even be able to take on some side jobs to eliminate having to dip into the savings account. That would make the wife happy at least as she doesn't seem to think we need a trailer at all.
 
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If I were to sell my enclosed and go open car hauler, I'd either get aluminum (featherlite or similar) or I'd get a Kwik Load

I still think I'd keep the smaller trailer, it's just easier to get in/out of home improvement lots n such for small material runs.


Now THAT is a cool looking design and idea. I really like that style and design. I may have some more research to do. :unsure:

Thank you.
 

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Don't know if it helps, but for car / equipment trailers, check State / County / Government auctions. The last nice car trailer I had cost less than half what the local places wanted for a crappy version. It was heavy duty enough when I sold a truck to guy and brought it to him on the trailer, he ended up making me an offer for the truck AND trailer I couldn't refuse. I have found that the smaller my trailer, the less likely I am to drag home projects. That's good or bad depending on my mood and the day.
 

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Now THAT is a cool looking design and idea. I really like that style and design. I may have some more research to do. :unsure:

Thank you.
My day is made, I found something you didn't know of! 😂😂

A buddy has one and seems to like it for his lowered Vette. And a shop on the eastern shore of MD has one and uses it on all sorts of salvage and barn finds

 

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I too have a Diamond C trailer and it’s been great. I do have to borrow it from time to time from my buddy who stores it at his house and does all the maintenance when it needs something. I understand your reluctance to build a custom trailer but I know in the end you’re going to actually enjoy the process of designing and then building it, and as a bonus we get to watch a Master at work! Winter’s coming, you need a nice inside project for the short days ahead, I say go for it!
 

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I've seen those before and I like the general concept, but I do not like the opposing (leading and trailing) suspension arms. I'm also not a fan of the articulating tongue. It is trick, but I don't feel that it is necessary. With a long bed like that one in the video it is even less needed.
Build them with only trailing arms and I'm on-board!
 
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My day is made, I found something you didn't know of! 😂😂

A buddy has one and seems to like it for his lowered Vette. And a shop on the eastern shore of MD has one and uses it on all sorts of salvage and barn finds


I had actually not seen one of those slide back decks. However, a co-worker used to drive tow truck part time and I used to think why couldn't I incorporate a roll back design into a trailer? :unsure: Now I see it has already been done. And it looks like it wouldn't add much weight to the overall trailer. Now to just figure out a solid and reliable design. It definitely has me considering one of those two designs, tilt or slide deck now. :headscrat Good thing I'm not in a hurry and have time to think on it and come up with something.
 
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I've looked at these trailers (Rice) and they seem very nice for the money. Not sure if you have a dealer out that way or not.

Rice trailer - flatbed

That looks like a nice simple design with ramps and what I was originally looking for several weeks ago. The closest I found was the PJ Trailer but it was still a bit bulky for my immediate taste. The others I was shown locally were way overbuilt, heavy and to be honest, quite ugly. I guess for construction or farm equipment they would work perfectly but not what I would want to tow behind my truck.


I too have a Diamond C trailer and it’s been great. I do have to borrow it from time to time from my buddy who stores it at his house and does all the maintenance when it needs something. I understand your reluctance to build a custom trailer but I know in the end you’re going to actually enjoy the process of designing and then building it, and as a bonus we get to watch a Master at work! Winter’s coming, you need a nice inside project for the short days ahead, I say go for it!

Thanks Sterling. I appreciate the feedback. The Diamond C was the nicest one I've seen yet but also the most expensive. I talked to them yesterday about a tilt deck but they only offer tilt decks where the rear 2/3 of the deck tilts and the front is rigidly mounted. I can see where their use would beneficial but not what I'm looking for.
 
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Northern Utah
I greatly appreciate everyone's thoughts and comments pertaining to trailers. I have taken all into consideration and like I mentioned earlier, I'm glad I don't need to pull the trigger immediately and have time to weigh my options.

That being said, this is also something I don't see myself using a lot but I want something that is nice for when I do need it. Back in the day when I was doing a lot of restoration and full builds I was using my open flatbed Big Tex car hauler several times a month but these days I think it would be only a few times a year so I don't want to break the bank on the thing but I do want something nice. Right now $7k plus is just more than I want to spend for something that may get used a few times a year.

I am leaning more and more on fabricating one to not only save a few bucks, although by the time I calculate my time into the equation it may be cheaper to buy one, but also to challenge myself and to build something I can be proud to tow and incorporate some custom touches into much like my utility trailer.

I will post some updates once I come to a final decision or start purchasing components for the build.

Thank you.
 
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