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I know there’s a lot of discussion on zoning on here, but I haven’t been able to find what I’m looking for. I also know that zoning is highly local (I’m in NJ), and I’ve read all the local ordinances and whatnot, but I’m trying to get ready to talk to zoning officers, so I’d appreciate insight.

I know most build garages under the premise of them being accessory buildings to the primary residence of one’s own land. For those of us in suburbia where this isn’t really practical, then what? The answer is buy land to put up a standalone garage.

But again, on residential land, a detached garage is an accessory use, and usually not allowed without a primary use (residence) in place.

So I’m looking for other zoned land. I’m looking for a building between 30x40 and 30x60, to use as a standalone garage. No frills (i.e. no bathroom, residence, office, etc.). I have leads and have visited land zoned for farm, light industrial, and commercial types. I want to discuss with zoning officers to create a relationship and have a decent way ahead before committing to buy.

Is saying that I want to put up a hobby garage going to get an immediate no? Is it best stated as a commercial endeavor (even if I rent the building to myself)? If warehousing is allowed, in say a light industrial zoned area, does usage have to be by a commercial entity to prevent it from becoming vacant/unused property?

Any recommendations for how to get to yes with the zoning officer on any types of land mentioned above?

Thanks!
 
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A lot depends upon what kind of land is available nearby. Here in rural SC, we are zoned agricultural, which leaves a lot of latitude, and saves a bunch on taxes. I pay something like $9/acre/year on my ag land. There aren't really any requirements for ag other than having enough acreage (5 acres, plus an acre for the house). Many areas have much stricter rules, such as requiring you to have crops and actively work the land.

Commercially zoned property should allow you to do what you want, except live there. In many areas, commercial/industrial land specifically prohibits living there.

Only your friendly zoning department will be able to answer your questions, although you may be able to wade through all the rules and regs to get an idea.
 

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What is this land and building going to run you? 100k? 150?

Mini warehouses down here can be rented for 1000-1500 a month.

10 years of rent...
 

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When I try to read zoning regs I soon realize I am wasting my time. What I find is that you look the best area of the regs you can find and mostly understand what they say. But there is another reg somewhere else that you will never find on your own. Every time I have gone to the county and made an appointment to ask Qs, I have been quite happy w/ how I was treated.
 

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Zoning is a big part, but you had better ask about building codes.

The sizes of buildings and uses, determine a whole bunch. Pavement requirements, sprinklers, grease traps, and the list goes on.

I know of a few around here that did the mini warehouses, and just never rented any. I know of others that bought something an sort of just remodeled with additions and such, to keep grandfathering rights.

Many times zoning can be forgiven or modified through some kind of adjustment board. Building and safety codes not so much.

Many cities or jurisdictions will allow you to have a pre application meeting. If you want to build something and use it, I would make sure what rules are for building it, zoning and code wise. Do not take some owners word, or realtor knowledge. Many times those departments are a good place to ask for permission, rather than forgiveness.
 
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What is this land and building going to run you? 100k? 150?

Mini warehouses down here can be rented for 1000-1500 a month.

10 years of rent...

Im in my 30s. 10 years of rent doesnÂ’t seem to be a very good proposition since IÂ’d hope IÂ’m able to mess around with cars and tinker on things well into my 70s, or beyond.

And what I’m looking for is fairly no frills. Don’t want to even have HVAC, or large amounts of power. No need for a bathroom, or any ability for “occupancy”. It just adds cost that I don’t want to incur at this time, because I have zero need.

Where I am the suburbs are well laid out but thereÂ’s not a lot of fre space for this sort of thing. But go 20 minutes away and there’ plenty of land with at/c/LI zoning that may work well.

When I try to read zoning regs I soon realize I am wasting my time. What I find is that you look the best area of the regs you can find and mostly understand what they say. But there is another reg somewhere else that you will never find on your own. Every time I have gone to the county and made an appointment to ask Qs, I have been quite happy w/ how I was treated.

This is precisely my concern. Something that will snag from one direction because it was missed.

To be quite clear I do intend to meet with the zoning officer. I’m going to do this well informed and in alignment with the local powers that be. I just want to be ready to make my case and be smart about it in advance. This seems like the best place to find folks who have lived these situations and have gotten successes and/or battle scars from it. Thus it seems like the best spot to do my due diligence.
 
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Zoning is a big part, but you had better ask about building codes.

The sizes of buildings and uses, determine a whole bunch. Pavement requirements, sprinklers, grease traps, and the list goes on.

I know of a few around here that did the mini warehouses, and just never rented any. I know of others that bought something an sort of just remodeled with additions and such, to keep grandfathering rights.

Many times zoning can be forgiven or modified through some kind of adjustment board. Building and safety codes not so much.

Many cities or jurisdictions will allow you to have a pre application meeting. If you want to build something and use it, I would make sure what rules are for building it, zoning and code wise. Do not take some owners word, or realtor knowledge. Many times those departments are a good place to ask for permission, rather than forgiveness.


Good insight, thanks.

I am specifically looking to build an uninhabitable structure - a pole barn or steel building, between 30x40 and 30x60. The key I think is that it’s uninhabitable.

But that’s where I start to get hung up on how to explain it to zoning. I want a warehouse for non-commercial use (unless I set up an LLC and lease it to myself). I don’t want the building to have an office, a storefront, etc.

Truly I want a hobby garage. But what does that mean to someone who does zoning? I have no idea. And if there’s no way to inhabit the structure, such as an office or storefront, then how do certificates of occupancy work? Again, don’t want it to be inhabitable.

I see these sorts of things now and again (though not for sale). Used by tradespeople and landscapers for keeping vehicles and materials. But they have a legitimate commercial use - even if it’s just a pole barn.

What I get hung up on is private, noncommercial use. Seems that it’s not anybody’s business... if I rented a storage locker or warehouse from a landlord, nobody would think twice. But what’s the best way to explain that I want to be my own landlord for my own personal use, with no commercial business occurring there? Not looking to lie or misrepresent. But do certain things raise flags with zoning departments, which I want to be prepared to discuss/adjudicate/clarify from the start given my intended use?

That’s what I’m hoping to leverage experience on here...
 

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Probably different requirements for an industrial building vs residential. I bet they will require a bathroom.
Maybe I missed it. Do you not have room to build at the house?
Schedule some time with your town inspector and zoning. They will save you a lot of guessing and leg work


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In most cases... in NJ... properties have a zoning code... with that code you can answer most of your own questions. Determine your location... identify properties you're interested in... get their codes... then review the regulations for that code.

Then... talk to a zoning officer about variance uses and what hoops you need to launch thru.
 

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Im in my 30s. 10 years of rent doesn’t seem to be a very good proposition since I’d hope I’m able to mess around with cars and tinker on things well into my 70s, or beyond.

40 years of working out of a remote barn with no HVAC or bathroom doesn't sound all that great either. Your best long term solution is to move to a place with enough land for a shop.

If you're unwilling to do that getting Ag land and building a "barn for your wifes horses" is probably your best bet. Going commercial is likely to be more red tape and could have a hefty property tax bill too.

Also Ag will probably give you the option of building a house on the land at a later date.
 

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40 years of working out of a remote barn with no HVAC or bathroom doesn't sound all that great either. Your best long term solution is to move to a place with enough land for a shop.

If you're unwilling to do that getting Ag land and building a "barn for your wife's horses" is probably your best bet. Going commercial is likely to be more red tape and could have a hefty property tax bill too.

Also Ag will probably give you the option of building a house on the land at a later date.
I agree wholeheartedly. If you build a shop someplace other than where you live, you will want a bathroom and you will want heat and air-conditioning. You will probably want a kitchen of sorts so you can fix yourself something to eat as well. To have these things will require a source of water and sewer and electrical power. My thinking is that for you to do all these things will cost a fortune and in my opinion it is doubtful you would be able to recoup the money in the event you decide to move someplace else. I mean, who would want a shop in another location so they have to drive there if they wanted to work on something? Then too, what about insurance? Are you going to be able to insure the building?

Anyway, it is your money to do with as you see fit. But my opinion is that you would be much better off renting or buying a building in a commercial area of town. That way it would be much easier quit renting or to sell if you decide to go someplace else and set up a shop.
 

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As others have mentioned, figuring out how to classify it as an Agricultural building is probably the easiest. I live in a "right to farm" area, and we have wide latitude in outbuildings. One of the lessons I've learned with bureaucracy is that you want to figure out how to explain yourself in a way that fits their criteria, rather than giving them a long, detailed explanation of what you envision. Pick the path of least resistance and run with it. You can do this without lying. You can also put yourself in the wrong checkbox by over-explaining and making someone else decide how to categorize you based on too much information.

Avoid red flags. A hobby garage for vehicle projects sounds a lot more risky than a storage building for a hobby farm. Who cares if you're just farming a 1/4 acre of grass that requires an 18 horsepower riding mower as your "agricultural equipment?" But it sounds more innocuous than the toxic waste dump that could result from an unregulated mechanic shop. Perception.

Depending on where you live, you might have good people who are willing to help. I've dealt with some phenomenally helpful people in two different counties who were willing to help me gain MORE flexibility in land use. Dealt with some ****** ones too, but I've actually found they were in the minority. That was in a different county where I don't live any more, thankfully.

Now I'll mention some of my concerns with what you want to do. An unsupervised garage in an area without anyone close to it is a target for theft. If anyone (and someone will) figures out what you're doing there, someone will observe your comings and goings. Leaving tools there also means you won't have those tools at home. Driving to a separate location every time you want to work on something is a pain. I deal with this on my own property, where I have to drive several hundred feet to a different building to work on stuff, and it *****. Can't imagine driving 20 minutes or more, each way, every time. It's not going to be cheap, and it will be somewhat of a hassle. Is there a reason you can't buy property to live on and have a shop?
 

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Is there any comps within a 20, 30, mile radius available or not, that comes even close to meeting your minimum requirements? If not, there may be a reason.

At some point you or your heirs will want to sell the property. Does it perk or have city water/sewer nearby? Can you locate the shop on the property so a house can be added at a later time? What are the long range plans for the surrounding property?

While the primary goal is to have a hobby shop, don't totally rule out other potential uses that you or others may have in the future. Build in and have some flexibility.

Hope I've explained myself.

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Probably different requirements for an industrial building vs residential. I bet they will require a bathroom.
Maybe I missed it. Do you not have room to build at the house?
Schedule some time with your town inspector and zoning. They will save you a lot of guessing and leg work


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I live in suburbia, in a good school district with a short commute for my wife and I, and a walking district so my kids don’t have to take a bus. Not interested in giving any of that up. But I already have a detached two car garage and a shed - no space for a giant outbuilding.

Not interested in moving.

I agree wholeheartedly. If you build a shop someplace other than where you live, you will want a bathroom and you will want heat and air-conditioning. You will probably want a kitchen of sorts so you can fix yourself something to eat as well. To have these things will require a source of water and sewer and electrical power. My thinking is that for you to do all these things will cost a fortune and in my opinion it is doubtful you would be able to recoup the money in the event you decide to move someplace else. I mean, who would want a shop in another location so they have to drive there if they wanted to work on something? Then too, what about insurance? Are you going to be able to insure the building?

Anyway, it is your money to do with as you see fit. But my opinion is that you would be much better off renting or buying a building in a commercial area of town. That way it would be much easier quit renting or to sell if you decide to go someplace else and set up a shop.

Respectfully, I don’t. I don’t want the cost, complexity, etc. I’d rather plan ahead. I currently rent two no frills garage bays, and no problems with not having these things besides not having enough space for my cars. I have a nice two car garage on my property (home), which Is use for any bigger/longer projects. At most I want electric and a well (for car washing).

But your comment about buying a building in a commercial section of town is an important one. I’d like to do that. But this again my curiosity - if I’m not a business, not a commercial entity, just using it privately, does that become an issue? That’s the sort of thing I’m trying to avoid.

Is there any comps within a 20, 30, mile radius available or not, that comes even close to meeting your minimum requirements? If not, there may be a reason.

At some point you or your heirs will want to sell the property. Does it perk or have city water/sewer nearby? Can you locate the shop on the property so a house can be added at a later time? What are the long range plans for the surrounding property?

While the primary goal is to have a hobby shop, don't totally rule out other potential uses that you or others may have in the future. Build in and have some flexibility.

Hope I've explained myself.

Jim

Sure. Last year exactly what I’m looking for was sold, an acre of wooded land with a 50x50 pole barn, for $50k. Maybe 30 mins away from me. These things are few and far between though. Too much sprawl in nj/close proximity in PA. Currently there’s one with a great building for sale for <$100k, but it’s zoned resiential without a functional home. Thats essentially what got me started on this. That property was zoned residential and the zoning officer would not allow a CO for use of the garage (?) without a house or construction occurring on a house. It’s like was said above, if one nuance in the zoning doesn’t get you, another one will!
 
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So I’m looking for other zoned land. I’m looking for a building between 30x40 and 30x60, to use as a standalone garage. No frills (i.e. no bathroom, residence, office, etc.). I have leads and have visited land zoned for farm, light industrial, and commercial types. I want to discuss with zoning officers to create a relationship and have a decent way ahead before committing to buy.

Thanks!

I think you are building a "barn" in ag land.
 
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As others have mentioned, figuring out how to classify it as an Agricultural building is probably the easiest. I live in a "right to farm" area, and we have wide latitude in outbuildings. One of the lessons I've learned with bureaucracy is that you want to figure out how to explain yourself in a way that fits their criteria, rather than giving them a long, detailed explanation of what you envision. Pick the path of least resistance and run with it. You can do this without lying. You can also put yourself in the wrong checkbox by over-explaining and making someone else decide how to categorize you based on too much information.

Avoid red flags. A hobby garage for vehicle projects sounds a lot more risky than a storage building for a hobby farm. Who cares if you're just farming a 1/4 acre of grass that requires an 18 horsepower riding mower as your "agricultural equipment?" But it sounds more innocuous than the toxic waste dump that could result from an unregulated mechanic shop. Perception.

Depending on where you live, you might have good people who are willing to help. I've dealt with some phenomenally helpful people in two different counties who were willing to help me gain MORE flexibility in land use. Dealt with some ****** ones too, but I've actually found they were in the minority. That was in a different county where I don't live any more, thankfully.

Now I'll mention some of my concerns with what you want to do. An unsupervised garage in an area without anyone close to it is a target for theft. If anyone (and someone will) figures out what you're doing there, someone will observe your comings and goings. Leaving tools there also means you won't have those tools at home. Driving to a separate location every time you want to work on something is a pain. I deal with this on my own property, where I have to drive several hundred feet to a different building to work on stuff, and it *****. Can't imagine driving 20 minutes or more, each way, every time. It's not going to be cheap, and it will be somewhat of a hassle. Is there a reason you can't buy property to live on and have a shop?

Great feedback. As mentioned above, love where we live and don’t want to move. Have a two car garage, but want to be able to store 4-6 other cars and maybe a few other things in a building (none worth terribly much beyond sentimental value; it’s not like I’m keeping $100k muscle cars there). Being able to work on cars there is more about having extra space for detailing and other minor jobs - any major job I’d likely do at home if for no other reason than to have my wife nearby in case I get hurt.

I do have my eye on some acres with a light industrial and a farm rating. I’m thinking where you’re going with that might be a nice option. The land Im looking at isn’t far from a big horse facility, and it’s enough acres to make such a scenario realistic. There are some homes around too, not enough to bring lots of folks (and honestly, not sure what kind of people they are). Security of course would be a concern, though alarming a building like that I think would be viable.

I appreciate your and everyone’s feedback so far.
 
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I agree wholeheartedly. If you build a shop someplace other than where you live, you will want a bathroom and you will want heat and air-conditioning. You will probably want a kitchen of sorts so you can fix yourself something to eat as well. To have these things will require a source of water and sewer and electrical power. My thinking is that for you to do all these things will cost a fortune and in my opinion it is doubtful you would be able to recoup the money in the event you decide to move someplace else. I mean, who would want a shop in another location so they have to drive there if they wanted to work on something? Then too, what about insurance? Are you going to be able to insure the building?

Anyway, it is your money to do with as you see fit. But my opinion is that you would be much better off renting or buying a building in a commercial area of town. That way it would be much easier quit renting or to sell if you decide to go someplace else and set up a shop.

While I don't know how he fully intends to use the space, I will say:

At 30, I did not care about indoor plumbing or heat in an work space....10 years later, I am building a space that has these two very important things to me. FYI, I live in a similar climate zone as the OP.
 

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I am interested in a building like this also, and I see where it's a lot of money for the reasons that I want it. I see that. Here it would likely be on ag land but it could be zoned commercial and still be acceptable. I bet some subcategories under commercial would not allow it.
 
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While I don't know how he fully intends to use the space, I will say:

At 30, I did not care about indoor plumbing or heat in an work space....10 years later, I am building a space that has these two very important things to me. FYI, I live in a similar climate zone as the OP.

If only I was 30! I’m getting on the farther end of my 30s... and no heat or bathroom still doesn’t bother me.

If I were to install, say, heat, it would be in my 2-car detached, so that I could easily go out my back door and do something in my local garage in the winter.

The key is to have enough flex space with my cars (I own a bunch), that I can keep them offsite and out of the weather, and maybe have some water for washing, and space for indoor detailing at this site. If I did more than an oil change or minor repair, I’d be surprised, because I’d prefer to do these things at my house.
 

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OP post your location. It's difficult to offer real estate advice without some knowledge of your location.

I am not a proponent of investing in raw land, building on it and then not receiving income. You will have improved the land by adding a structure, water, sewer, electrical and access road and will pay higher taxes as a result. Then when it is time to sell, you have an odd property suitable for a limited number of buyers. That's not a winning formula for success.

Here's a couple alternative ideas for the OP.

1. Purchase a home with an existing suitable large garage or outbuilding. Rent the home to cover 80% or more of your costs. Compare the 20% gap to what it would be to buy land and build a shop. Consider it a hobby tax. Sure, you will have a mortgage that doesn't cover the total cost of the investment but you may have attain lower overall costs than buying land and building a shop today. Plan to increase rent yearly to close that gap. The home may increase in value too over the next 10 years which may off-set some of the losses every year.

2. Leasing or buying commercial real estate may be cheap in your local downtown area. Retail stores and manufacturing facilities are closing and property tax income is falling for many municipalities. A local township may welcome the property tax income from someone that leases or buys a small "commercial zoned" building. If you keep the property in good shape the neighborhood benefits and so does the local government. Also consider leasing some of the square feet of a working commercial building. I have seen this many times in my life. BTW, property taxes on commercial property is highly variable. Negotiate for a deal.

All real estate purchases are open to negotiation. Explain to the mayor or building department what you are attempting to do and see if they have a solution that will work for you. It is in their interest to convert property to best use.

OP consider out-of-the-box thinking when it comes to commercial property. It is possible to build significant wealth by investing in commercial property. At your young age this could be a win-win situation for you if you try.
 

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But your comment about buying a building in a commercial section of town is an important one. I’d like to do that. But this again my curiosity - if I’m not a business, not a commercial entity, just using it privately, does that become an issue? That’s the sort of thing I’m trying to avoid.

This should be a good option too. The comm building could be an investment too. IF need be you could create a dummy LLC, and the "business" could be storage. Only city issue might be the fuel in the cars. Check insurance on this too.
 
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OP post your location. It's difficult to offer real estate advice without some knowledge of your location.

I am not a proponent of investing in raw land, building on it and then not receiving income. You will have improved the land by adding a structure, water, sewer, electrical and access road and will pay higher taxes as a result. Then when it is time to sell, you have an odd property suitable for a limited number of buyers. That's not a winning formula for success.

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OP consider out-of-the-box thinking when it comes to commercial property. It is possible to build significant wealth by investing in commercial property. At your young age this could be a win-win situation for you if you try.

Appreciate the advice. I live in NJ, in the Philadelphia suburbs. Gloucester county seems like my best bet for access and taxes, notionally along the I-295 corridor.
 

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Your best bet is to simply sit down and talk to your codes officer, get to know them and ask what you can and can not do and the regulations. It is much easier to work WITH them than to have them tell you this is wrong and that need to be changed.
 

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doesnt your local district have a list of use types? read them, figure out which is close. Recognize that they may be 'off', and be able to argue which 1,2 or 3 are the best fits for your use. Then have the chat.

Personally, id buy a bigger space when the kids go to college. Living in suburbia ***** for many reasons, not having a shop is only a small part of the suckage.

All IMO
 

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If you’re worried about talking to zoning, just wait till you try to explain this to an insurance company......

Just keep in mind anything zoned commercial or industrial is going to come with a lot of requirements.....think fire sprinklers, parking requirements, ADA requirements (parking), bathrooms, drinking fountains......etc....

It won’t make a hill of beans to zoning this is a hobby garage.....it has to meet the zoning requirements for that location because they can’t control what it ‘could’ be used for in the future....
 
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I don't think you're crazy because I'm doing much the same thing... building a shop on an acre of land with no house. Big difference: I know I want a bathroom and kitchenette, and it's in an unincorporated part of a county with no zoning or building codes for noncommercial use.
I suspect you can convince a zoning official that it's noncommercial, especially since you're not trying to put in plumbing... just storage and power... that's pretty much a barn in my book.
I'm not worried about the argument that it "could" be used for commercial, since if it's not commercial, then a future buyer would have to get it rezoned, and then they'd have to comply with commercial building codes.
You probably have to comply with some building code, but if it's just for storage it should be a low standard. How big is this building? If it is intended to hold more than a couple cars I think there might be IBC requirements for sprinklers.
 

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I can tell you about land development, zoning, and regulations in Florida. Much of this information is broadly-applicable across the country, but as has been mentioned, your local AHJ is 'he/she who decides all-issues.' I have worked as a plans examiner, a zoning person, a planner, lifesafety inspector and assistant fire marshal.

I have a number of friends who have worked or who do-work in the trades, for various levels of government, as code administrators, inspectors, and plans examiners, as G.C.'s, etc.

The solution is really very-simple: comply with code. As you mentioned, sometimes getting to the heart of the matter is a roundabout journey. It sounds like your efforts to this point have-been well-intentioned, and I see a bit of frustration.

Take things systematically. Read the codes which apply to your area, your geographical area, and your intended area of operation. Remember that the thing which controls your property is its zoning, and then its usage/occupancy. There are other factors which may come-into play, and as you become more-familiar with your local regulations, and the people who enforce them, you will have a better-chance of getting the OK for what you want to-do if you comply with code.

Before you consider the purchase of any parcel whether bare of development, or which has improvements to-include a building or buildings, you have to know the zoning, and the zoning code will narrowly and specifically-define what you're entitled to do there, and for-what uses the occupancy can be operated.

If your scope of work is outside of what you intend to-do there, do not assume that you can make an 'end-run' around the ordinances, regulations and codes. You could find yourself facing a per-day fine situation, and I often saw these accruing quickly into the tens-of-thousands of dollars, or six-figures for residential situations, even-more for commercial or for industrial occupancies.

Don't believe, "I can do part-of what they want, and as I make some $$$ here, I'll come-into compliance with the rest." You won't be-able to earn a certificate of compliance, a certificate of occupancy, a business tax receipt (Florida's term for permission for a business to-operate, formerly called a certificate of use), or whatever other paperwork is required for your use of the property. You've already-mentioned about "accessory uses not being allowed in a residentially-zoned property, without a complying residence." That's common.

Say that you found a parcel. Nothing exists now in the way of improvements. If it's AG (agricultural zoning district) the permitted uses are more-numerous, with the expectation that the uses are agriculturally-related. Raising miniature horses, growing crops, roadside sales of fruits and vegetables, repairing farm equipment and associated vehicles contributing to legal occupancy of the residence (that could be your 2-post lift for your Boss 302), all are probably-allowed under that zoning.

If you want to have a business repairing muscle cars on an AG-zoned parcel, you'd better read your local zoning code to see if you are allowed to do that and to do hot-work, to have a spray booth, since those are typical uses for that type of occupancy. These days, operating a spray booth has all-sorts of environmental considerations it has to-meet, and the probable path to legally-operate, requires having to-spend tens of thousands of dollars for a licensed spray booth meeting OSHA, EPA and NFPA regulations. Better-to be able to legally-paint smaller assemblies, and to leave the body color painting to a pro installation.

Running a business, there are five areas of operation that are reviewed in a zoning application:
use
parking
landscaping
lighting
signage

These are usually shown on a site plan, where each in-turn has a page or pages devoted to the subject.

The use intended is described in the zoning code and by the applicant as being narrowly and specifically defined. A crematorium, a business office, a paint store for paints used in construction and/or for vehicles and equipment, a rental storeyard for construction equipment such-as backhoes, bulldozers, cranes, etc.; a vehicle repair facility (what-type of repairs is often specified, as-is what would-not be allowed; a pig farm, an animal rendering plant, the list goes-on. In some cases, uses will include uses concurrent with operation of the primary occupancy, i.e., a construction equipment rental business/storage yard will also allow repairs on the equipment. The work may have specific requirements: a cab-for-hire business may allow vehicle repairs but require all repairs to be performed inside a building, and may exclude bodywork/painting.

Parking requirements are often based on the number of people who arrive at the business. Restaurants have capacity seating based-upon square footage, aisles (a seating/table plan is required, showing paths of egress distances); doctors' offices may be based on the number of examination rooms, and office space; mercantile businesses based upon the square footage open to the public, and another value for storage square footage; etc.

A single-family dwelling will have simplified versions of this. Parking is required for two vehicles on an improved surface, with a minimum radius for turning, if necessary. Curb cuts are limited in dimension and in placement (proximity to an intersection, site triangles).

Landscaping often goes hand-in-hand with parking. Is head-to-head parking allowed, or are landscaped, sprinklered islands defining parking in groups of not-more than 10 spaces the requirement? The parking site plan will show this. Lanes for queing are required for certain businesses, like banks with drive-through ATM's, or fast-food restaurants. These often have a mandatory requirement for a 'no-roof' lane, allowing tall vehicles like trucks to safely pass-through, without contacting the porte-cochere. Certain trees and shrubs may-be required, such-as native species, drought-resistant, salt-tolerant, no pest-species plants, and also observance of 'right tree, right place.' In south Florida, you would not want to be planting a Royal Poinciana tree, which often has a canopy when mature of 40 ft width, in a parking landscape island.

Lighting/illumination requires a site plan showing placement of luminaires, and a photometric survey of the predicted illumination values taken at a certain distance above grade.

Signage for businesses, including home-based-businesses, is prescribed as-to placement, size, illumination, colors, and features like movement (think of those air-filled constantly-moving 'stovepipe' men). Channel letters, monument signs, window signs, raceways, neon, and other types are described as-to whether they are allowed, and their placement. Temporary sales signs and promotions are described as-to placement, location, and duration of use.

Do you have a specific question related to a proposed use? You can formally-submit your written question and receive a 'zoning determination letter,' and this will tell you what you need to-know, which may help you to immediately see that your proposed use is not-allowed, or it is allowed. This document may-be called something different. There is usually a fee for this. An informal question on interpretation of the zoning code may-be answered by a staff member, it's usually good to have the specific part of the code in-hand, remember the lawyer's adage, "never-ask a question to-which you do-not know the answer."

If your desire is to have storage for your vehicles and a boat, don't think that you can open a vehicle repair shop and have customers' cars parked awaiting repairs in an area zoned single-family dwelling, 6 units/acre.

The info I included is more-for commercial occupancies, or industrial occupancies. Just remember that once you're on the radar of the AHJ for being in-violation of local codes, the observations of your behavior will continue. If you are found in-violation, you could be fined, and the fines may not-stop until the property is brought fully into compliance. If you are fined, and the fine accrues to a large amount, you may-be eligible to request mitigation, a reduction of the amount you have-to pay, based upon your willingness to comply, and the timeframe in-which the compliance occurs. It's not-uncommon for a timeframe for compliance to be given, and if you meet it, no-fine.

If you do ever get a notice of violation or a citation (the citation here is an immediate fine) do not neglect to immediately contact the person who wrote it, to discuss the matter, and remember, the goal of the staff is to get you to comply with code.
 

yeldogt

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You will find that NJ has land use rules .. what you can and can't do and have on a property.It's not only true of NJ .. most places do.

I own property outside Philadelphia in NJ .... it's also why I'm building in PA

What was once allowed -- is no longer. Years ago it was common for small commercial to be allowed in more areas .. in some towns.

There are many odd commercial business properties that could be used the way you want ... I bought a business property for the parking and garage .... rented out the small office building to a local plumber. Buying the land and building something would have been way too $$.
 

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But your comment about buying a building in a commercial section of town is an important one. I’d like to do that. But this again my curiosity - if I’m not a business, not a commercial entity, just using it privately, does that become an issue? That’s the sort of thing I’m trying to avoid.
To the best of my knowledge, around here at least, anyone can own a commercial property. You do not have to be a business to own it and to use it. On the other hand, if you are a business, then you need to have a business license and follow all the rules a business has to follow. But to just own the building, all you need is the money to buy it and pay the taxes. It MAY be different where you are located, but I doubt it. A lot of people own commercial buildings and rent them out to different businesses. If, for whatever reasons, they haven't rented the building to someone right now, then the building just sits there until such time as the building is sold or someone wants to rent it.

There was a commercial building not too far from where I live (K-Mart building) that sat vacant for probably 10 years until someone finally bought it. You see that quite a bit these days, in fact, now we have a Shopko building sitting vacant in our town. I wouldn't mind buying it, sectioning it off and making office space, then renting out the office space. Problem is, I have heard they want 1.5 million for the building which is WAY over my budget.

Buying the building is one thing, sectioning it off to make office space is another issue entirely. That would cost a fortune in itself. The building and electrical codes for commercial property is much more stringent that for regular residential buildings. At my age (almost 71) even thinking about doing a project like this would be crazy. But for a young person, it might prove to be a VERY good investment.
 

jetnow1

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For what you want you will be better off looking at existing properties, often you can find what you ate looking for in down town areas fairly cheap as downtowns are dead for most
retail use. I would suggest you look for something that the front can be rented to a small
business and the back is suitable for your storage needs, having someone there will make
insurance/security much easier. If you are not in need of heat/toilet etc now you will at sometime in the future, if only for resale.
 

James-W

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For what you want you will be better off looking at existing properties, often you can find what you ate looking for in down town areas fairly cheap as downtowns are dead for most retail use. I would suggest you look for something that the front can be rented to a small business and the back is suitable for your storage needs, having someone there will make insurance/security much easier. If you are not in need of heat/toilet etc now you will at sometime in the future, if only for resale.
That is a very good point, in many cities the downtown area is fairly dead in-so-far as business is concerned, so buildings can be had for a fairly cheap price. Also, because it is downtown, the odds are there will be three phase power available since many times cities had a lot of manufacturing in the downtown area that used three phase power. Not that you need three phase power, but if you do it would likely be available to you.
 
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