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The Shipping Crate



So the fire mess is all cleaned up and I finally had a chance to do some actual work in the shop. I decided the best thing to do was to build something simple that allowed me to use most of my newly acquired Festool collection. So, I built the simplest thing I could think of – a box. The above video shows ya how I got along.

Ohhh… and thanks to:

As I’ve mentioned in a previous video, they didn’t give me these tools for their sponsorship (I bought them on my own accord), but they have been a huge help and they are now a sponsor of the site. Speaking of, here’s the tools I used:


  1. –  CT26 Dust Extractor

  2. –  TS55 Track Saw

  3. –  DF 500 Domino Joiner

  4. –  Rotex 150 Sander

  5. –  OF 1400 Router

  6. –  MFT/3 Work Table


 


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Bob Hall

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This is bad. I'm an old tool guy who is starting to have Festool lust....

Oh, "Nice box!"
 
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Finger holes? Now your box is good for both marshmallows and ping pong balls!

I tend to use a bare minimum of tools when it comes to woodworking, because I do so little of it, but I believe I drilled two or three holes and then flattened out the high spots with a hand-held jigsaw.


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I like old crates. I have a few wood ammo crates my dad got during his time in the army. I think most are from 1960 or earlier.

Ryan, what was the musical piece playing in your video?

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Festool is very well engineered, well made accurate stuff.

That said, I'm still trying to understand how anything on this earth was built before $ were spent on Festool.

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Nice job on the box.
A couple observations..
if you paint only one side of the boards in the finished project, it may eventually warp or split because changes in humidity will affect the parts unevenly.

Clamp only tight enough to bring the pieces together and clean up the squeeze out with a damp rag before it dries. It's possible to squeeze most of the glue out and starve the joint.
 

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Beautiful box and I'm lusting after your Festool system. I like the finger holes; you can slip a wooden dowel in there to serve as a carry handle in the future.
 

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Is there a reason not to use a sacrificial board on the Festool table? It looks like you're plunging into the working surface, where a thin piece of MDF would save kerf scars at minimal cost in time or money.

Also, what trainer said re. painting. Personally I'd wax them.

In other news, I'm not dead, just very very busy.
 
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Nice job on the box.
A couple observations..
if you paint only one side of the boards in the finished project, it may eventually warp or split because changes in humidity will affect the parts unevenly.

Clamp only tight enough to bring the pieces together and clean up the squeeze out with a damp rag before it dries. It's possible to squeeze most of the glue out and starve the joint.

I think that's what I am doing wrong... I think I am clamping too tight.

Is there a reason not to use a sacrificial board on the Festool table? It looks like you're plunging into the working surface, where a thin piece of MDF would save kerf scars at minimal cost in time or money.

Also, what trainer said re. painting. Personally I'd wax them.

In other news, I'm not dead, just very very busy.

Replacement tops are over priced... So I get why you would ask that, but it's actually pretty easy to make these tops yourself. As such, I have no fear in cutting right into it. That's what it's for...
 
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Replacement tops are over priced... So I get why you would ask that, but it's actually pretty easy to make these tops yourself. As such, I have no fear in cutting right into it. That's what it's for...

You have correctly deduced that I am cheap :spit:

Nice work on the crates, they'd look awesome with the Atomic Industries logo, especially kissed with the sander after stencilling.

I have in mind something similar for my new garage, and YouTube has an extremely long memory - I haven't logged in here for two years, yet yours was one of the recommended videos!

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Jim_No_Garage

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Darn! Now I want to build a crate or two.

I recently picked up an old pine bookcase at the curb that should give me enough wood for two crates that will already be pre-distressed.

What material would you use as stencil material if you were going to stencil on a logo? Not that I have a NO_GARAGE logo - just curious.

I guess I could but an epilog laser and laser engrave it . . .

Jim
 

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Clamp only tight enough to bring the pieces together and clean up the squeeze out with a damp rag before it dries. It's possible to squeeze most of the glue out and starve the joint.

Two ways to handle the glue squeeze:

1.Wet rag, but that can stain the wood and that glue might show up during finishing.

2. Or allow the glue to dry and scrape clean and smooth.

Norm would vote for #2.

Obviously........Clamping force and amount of glue applied has a whole lot to do with the squeezing issue :3gears:

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The method is to use a damp, not wet rag. You want to wipe the glue up, not dilute it so it soaks in.

Lots of variables come into play, so one method is never always the best one to use.
 

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Question about Domino Joiner. I have a couple old Biscuit joiners that I used back in the 90's when they were all the rage. I think I have an unopened box of Biscuits somewhere too.

I haven't had them out since I discovered the Kreg jig - yeah pocket holes aren't as pretty or as cool, but they are 10x as fast and really strong - plus removable if you don't glue the joints.

This Domino thing looks like the new take on a biscuit. I see the value of the other tools, but is the domino really that much better than the other methods?
 
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Question about Domino Joiner. I have a couple old Biscuit joiners that I used back in the 90's when they were all the rage. I think I have an unopened box of Biscuits somewhere too.

I haven't had them out since I discovered the Kreg jig - yeah pocket holes aren't as pretty or as cool, but they are 10x as fast and really strong - plus removable if you don't glue the joints.

This Domino thing looks like the new take on a biscuit. I see the value of the other tools, but is the domino really that much better than the other methods?

This isn't the best video, but watch this:


Essentially, dominos are faster, stronger, and are way easier to align than pocket holes.

I say that... ironically... as I just came in from drilling pocket holes on a project that would have been a bear to clamp.

I think they all have their place really...
 
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You have correctly deduced that I am cheap :spit:

Nice work on the crates, they'd look awesome with the Atomic Industries logo, especially kissed with the sander after stencilling.

I have in mind something similar for my new garage, and YouTube has an extremely long memory - I haven't logged in here for two years, yet yours was one of the recommended videos!

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This is great. I'm doing something very similar.
 

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This isn't the best video, but watch this:


Essentially, dominos are faster, stronger, and are way easier to align than pocket holes.

I say that... ironically... as I just came in from drilling pocket holes on a project that would have been a bear to clamp.

I think they all have their place really...

Thanks for the video. The way I saw it, the pocket holes were the fastest, however they did produce an ugly product. - He could have put the pockets on the inside, but it still would have had holes that were visible. They wouldn't have worked on your cool box. He also took a couple minutes to screw the jig to a board. I leave my pocket hole setup attached to a table top that I can clamp into my Jawhorse or bench vise and be drilling pocket holes in about 15 seconds.

Sounds like the Dominos self align much better than pocket holes, which as he said you have to clamp to make them align perfectly.

Another question: How difficult is it to get the two mating dominoes to match? - especially when you have multiple dominoes along a joint.

One of the problems with the biscuits was that the blade always wanted to "walk" down the board as the blade cuts in. There were a couple sharp pinpoints that helped hold it in place, but they had varying effectiveness on different materials. It didn't really matter on biscuits, because they don't align along the axis of the biscuit, the only alignment is 90 degrees to the biscuit.

As you point out, pocket holes are self clamping as well. I find this to be their best feature. I don't build fine furniture - I build quick and dirty shelves and cabinets, and I like to keep moving.

The other thing I like about the domino machine is the dust collection. When I was younger a woodshop was a dusty place - I guess modern technology has made that not so much a necessity anymore. I think I'll try the domino out at the woodworking store next time I go in there.

Anybody need a biscuit machine? - I'll throw in a new box of biscuits...
 

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I remember when Biscuit joiners were exotic and expensive.
It was about the time that a Lamello plate joiner showed up at Norm's shop on TV.
It was considered to be the ultimate in joinery. if you owned one, you were in an exclusive club. Biscuits were expensive and mail order only.

Eventually patents ran out and every tool manufacturer offered one for sale. Every hardware store soon stocked an assortment of biscuits. Prices fell.

Soon the internet declared biscuit joinery to be inferior, and that we should use pocket screws and floating tenons made with exotic and expensive machines.
 
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At 2:25 in the video Ryan is using what looks like a square with a hole to insert his pencil to layout his mark. What tool is that?
 
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