Technology is bringing us some crazy things… It won’t be long before you can control a full on 6-axis CNC machine from your iPhone.
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Technology is bringing us some crazy things... It won't be long before you can control a full on 6-axis CNC machine from your iPhone.
That thing is a toy. It has absolutely no real value. It isn't accurate, it isn't rigid enough to take a real cut, and it's slow. It's only purpose is for fiddling around.
That thing is a toy. It has absolutely no real value. It isn't accurate, it isn't rigid enough to take a real cut, and it's slow. It's only purpose is for fiddling around.
>That thing is a toy. It has absolutely no real value. ..... It's only purpose is for fiddling around.
That thing is a toy. It has absolutely no real value. It isn't accurate, it isn't rigid enough to take a real cut, and it's slow. It's only purpose is for fiddling around.
It would be interesting to know what CAD CAM software interfaces with it. I've been out of that for a while, but tablet, mobile phone enabling?? God help me if I have to design a part on my phone. I can barely read the GJ postings on it.
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I have a full size shopbot in my school. When I first bought it 8 years ago or so it had a proprietary software based on ArtCam. Since then Shopbot has switched over to a toolpathing software based on Vcarve pro.
Either way, the code was always a proprietary conversational code. Not sure if Shopbot has designed their control software to read g code yet or not or if the Handibot would run their conversational or g code or both.
In terms of usability, all cnc is "slow", particularly 3D. In terms of size, most of the things I do with our 4'x8' could be done with that particularly if it indexes.
I knew my post would get a rise out of some people. Can you please give one good example of how this tool could be used in industry where there isn't already something better in place?
Why would anyone use a crappy CNC router when they already make really nice ones?
How many of these handibots do you think are going to end up in the hands of professionals?
Would you want to count on this to make a living or would you buy a real machine?
It's a widget who's only purpose is fiddling around in a garage. It's not for actual work. So that would make it a toy. It falls under the same category as HF mini-mills and 3 in 1 lathe drill presses.
I knew my post would get a rise out of some people. Can you please give one good example of how this tool could be used in industry where there isn't already something better in place? Why would anyone use a crappy CNC router when they already make really nice ones? How many of these handibots do you think are going to end up in the hands of professionals? Would you want to count on this to make a living or would you buy a real machine?
It's a widget who's only purpose is fiddling around in a garage. It's not for actual work. So that would make it a toy. It falls under the same category as HF mini-mills and 3 in 1 lathe drill presses.


So you are admitting you are just trolling to get a rise out of people? Not exactly a smart thing to do in a thread originated by the Forum owner!
And no, you were the one than made un-substantiated statements... You substantiate your comments; all of them. As of now it just supposition on your part, unless you have actually used and evaluated the device in question. I strongly doubt you have, so you made your evaluation based on what? reviewing a Utube vid?![]()
Can you please give one good example of how this tool could be used in industry where there isn't already something better in place?
I'll be looking forward to seeing all these 'handibots' showing up in CNC shops everywhere.
lets not get carried away with it's capabilities. This isn't some revolutionary step forward in CNC machining.
Sign shop for putting a keyhole slot or slots in a sign which has already been engraved or carved and profile cut on one side. This would allow you to not have to reindex the already cut sign which can be a complete pain in the ***. Using a hand plunge router it is more difficult than you would guess to get a perfect keyhole.
Again, I say, DUH. You claim you watched the video. Can you point me to the part where these folks have specifically targeted CNC shops as a buyer of this tool?
Or are you going to continue to try to legitimize your claims by using ridiculous suppositions like this?
Let's not get carried away with hyperbole or misrepresenting what this tool and it's maker's are trying to do here, OK?
And, yeah, this actually IS kind of a revolutionary step forward - it's bringing CNC machining to the masses, to the garage, it's turning it into "a toy" to use your own disparaging remarks.
Giving the home user or the small business the ability to do this kind of work themselves is nothing short of amazing.
I don't know how to program a CNC. I don't have any of the software required to plot/spec something out. My understanding is that these are licensed software programs costing a fair amount of money, CAD/CAM stuff, yeah?
I don't wish to dedicate space to a "real" CNC router. I don't have 3-phase power, which many of these seem to require.
Having a tool like this would allow me to distribute the acquisition cost with a friend or my father, and we could have shared-custody of the unit.
These are all reasons why I personally would be better off NOT investing in a "real" CNC router, and that's only the beginning.
They already make nice CNC routers with much heavier duty spindles and more rigid construction that are well within the price range of the hobbyist user. You can even buy used ones to bring the price down further. One of the engineers I use to work with had a CNC router in his garage and made some nice stuff on it.
Look at the size of that little router and please explain to me how you would not be better off investing in a real CNC router? It's a gimmick tool.
You can buy a used 'real' CNC router that will have established software with an established user base (IE forums where you can ask questions) for a reasonable price.
I really need to quit feeding the troll but I couldn't let this statement go as it is laughable. Shopbot has the most active machine specific user forum out there.
How about parts/repair and software support?
If a "real" CNC router breaks, am I going to have to deal with the manufacturer for proprietary parts?
What about driver support? I'm assuming that these "real" CNC routers have some kind of interface/control PC, yeah? How does this operate? If my controller PC dies, and I don't have the option of utilizing the same OS, will the drivers/control software operate on a newer OS?
I'll be looking forward to seeing all these 'handibots' showing up in CNC shops everywhere.
And yes I can substantiate my claims. I said it was slow (this is clear in the video), not rigid enough to make a serious cut (The dinky router's spindle will stall and it's too light weight), and I said it isn't accurate (again this is obvious, do you think it has ball screws, highly accurate servos and expensive glass scales for positioning?). My final claim was that it is a toy. If all you can use it for is making widgets in your garage then it is classified as a toy. You might make nice furniture or whatever in your garage but if you're not making your living with it then it's a hobby. This is a hobbyist machine.
So the point of my post is that while it's a cool machine and I'd like to play with one in my garage, lets not get carried away with it's capabilities. This isn't some revolutionary step forward in CNC machining.
It seems like a pretty innovative tool, but if I understood correctly after watching the video, it costs about $2,500. I'm a serious woodworker hobbyist, but that machine is probably not for me. I'd never come close to getting my money's worth out of it. Also, it seems to take the "woodworking" out of woodworking. Simply progaramming a machine, standing back, and letting it do the "woodworking" for me sort of makes me more a "machine programmer" versus a woodworker. How would my skills as a woodworker ever improve? I'll stick with hand made hardboard templates and bearing guided router bits, a mallet and chisels, and hand held carving/cutting tools.
Like I said, it seems like an innovative machine with some very practical uses. For a home hobbyist, who isn't pressed for time, and who enjoys using some traditional machinery and hand tools, as well as the process of woodworking much more than machine programming, it's probably not going to end up in my shop any time soon.
Jim C.
If all you can use it for is making widgets in your garage then it is classified as a toy. You might make nice furniture or whatever in your garage but if you're not making your living with it then it's a hobby. This is a hobbyist machine.
So the point of my post is that while it's a cool machine and I'd like to play with one in my garage, lets not get carried away with it's capabilities.
Jim
As a fellow woodworker I understand your response, kinda! In woodworking there is a huge range of opportunity for the use of innovative tools, techniques and machinery to improve the output of our efforts. We have gone from saws and router planes to routers, hand saw to table saws, and I could go on and on about examples. In fact what struck me as funny in your comments was the thought of using "hardboard templates and bearing guided router bits" in wood working production. While you consider this not being a "machine programer" it is really just a step bellow CNC production,
Depending on the type of woodworking, and level of production in a given shop I can see these "bots" being a great asset. I do not think they are for everyone, nor are they appropriate for all shops, but for a lot of shops at the entry level pricing, I can see lots of uses!
Not trying to stir the pot just adding a different perspective.
Jim
I too am an old tool guy mostly 50 -60s but a couple older walker turner tools, and lots of hand tools. In a lot of ways I think we are kindred spirits. I am working out of a one car garage and some of my wife's 2 car when I can get away with it. I have basically been a tool and wood collector for years. With a little more time on my hands lately, I have gotten more active in actually building things. And over the last several months I have taken on some small commercial projects requiring multiple versions of the same pieces.
I have looked at small CNC as a curiosity for some of theses projects. While interesting, the capacity did not seam to work well for my projects. And machines with the capacity for the projects would not fit my shop. So this kind of hybrid solution looks interesting.
As i said I think this "bot" is an interesting solution, perfect for some applications, not for every application, but a neat deal for some things.