Bahco 80 Tooth Ratchet

Fedwrench · Sep 29, 2011

Picked up a Bahco model 7750 80 tooth ratchet ratchet the other day on a whim. The ratchet is made in Spain. I was surprised to see that the internals match a Snap on F80 ratchet down to the same printing (in english) on the gear cover plate "Sealed ratchet-do not immerse in fluids, replace worn parts, and PAT Pend." The ratchet measures 8 inches overall.
The comfort grip is well, comfortable. The rubber? suface has some texture to it, it's rectangular shaped, and gives a little when squeezed hard. There is a hole in the handle which may bother some. There's a slight curve where the handle meets the ratchet beam that provides for natural thumb placement. The ratchet beam is squarish, not round. The ratchet has good balance and feel to it. I'll take it to work and see how it performs.
The pictures below compare the Bahco to a standard F80 ratchet.

Sterff · Sep 29, 2011

And they say the Dual 80's are made in the USA? Sorry I had to :bounce:

Fedwrench · Sep 29, 2011

Sterff said:
And they say the Dual 80's are made in the USA? Sorry I had to

Who knows? Why put warnings on a Spanish made ratchet in English? :headscrat

Maybe the Bahco ratchet is assembled in Spain of global components. :bounce:

toolmaker1 · Sep 29, 2011

Well at least now we know where the dual 80 guts are made. :thumbup:

Looks good, how much did it set you back?

Sterff · Sep 29, 2011

I had always heard the rumor of the Dual 80 guts being made in Spain. Maybe it's true? The Bahco ratchet looks nice.

kc-steve · Sep 29, 2011

I wasn't sure if you knew this or not, but Bahco is owned by Snap-on.

Steve

superautobacs · Sep 29, 2011

Yes, the Bahco stuff sold with the fish-and-hook logo next to the Snap-On logo have been/are Williams made. That applies to all the USA-made Bahco sockets/ratchets/wrenches (SAE only).

I was looking at that Bahco 80-tooth a few days ago on the net and intend to buy one some time in the future. Price is not that bad from what I've seen too.

The ratchet handle might be forged by Irimo in Spain. Irimo is under the Snap-On umbrella and have been making some stuff available for Snap-On USA. The ratchet internals on the other hand are made in Taiwan (confirmed by Snap-On Japan).

Creditor · Sep 29, 2011

superautobacs said:
Yes, the Bahco stuff sold with the fish-and-hook logo next to the Snap-On logo have been/are Williams made. That applies to all the USA-made Bahco sockets/ratchets/wrenches (SAE only).

I was looking at that Bahco 80-tooth a few days ago on the net and intend to buy one some time in the future. Price is not that bad from what I've seen too.

The ratchet handle might be forged by Irimo in Spain. Irimo is under the Snap-On umbrella and have been making some stuff available for Snap-On USA. The ratchet internals on the other hand are made in Taiwan (confirmed by Snap-On Japan).

Really? Can you back up that confirmation? Everything I have seen from Snap-on and copies of emails direct from Snap-on on this forum is that Snap-on is maintaining that the ratchet internals are made in the USA.

superautobacs · Sep 29, 2011

Creditor said:
Really? Can you back up that confirmation? Everything I have seen from Snap-on and copies of emails direct from Snap-on on this forum is that Snap-on is maintaining that the ratchet internals are made in the USA.

I regard my source to be credible. He got his information straight from a Snap-On rep. in Japan that was in attendance at a trade show in Japan. ...but I can't rule out that the rep might have been misinformed himself.

warmpancakes · Sep 29, 2011

I posted a few months ago that the snap on driver told me guts were made in spain

found it

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78072&highlight=spain

fvfvsix · Sep 29, 2011

Looks like we're right back where we started on the COO thing

I'd be surprised if the D80 guts were Taiwanese, though.

Creditor · Sep 29, 2011

warmpancakes said:
I posted a few months ago that the snap on driver told me guts were made in spain

found it

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=78072&highlight=spain

Oh well then, that settles it. Someone posted it on an internet forum then it must be true.

kc-steve · Sep 29, 2011

kc-steve said:
I wasn't sure if you knew this or not, but Bahco is owned by Snap-on.

Steve

I'm not sure if anyone knew this or not either, but Bahco has its "roots in Sweden."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahco

Steve

compman25 · Sep 29, 2011

Where'd you get it and how much? Looks nice, wouldn't mind trying one out.

kissmeimgerman · Sep 29, 2011

compman25 said:
Where'd you get it and how much? Looks nice, wouldn't mind trying one out.

~$50 Shipped on fleabay
Ebay

billymade · Sep 29, 2011

Not a bad price here: http://www.mltoolsequipment.com/product_p/jhw-7750.htm

kissmeimgerman · Sep 29, 2011

billymade said:
Not a bad price here: http://www.mltoolsequipment.com/product_p/jhw-7750.htm

Yep, same company on my ebay link, they have the 1/2 version too for a little more.

powertrip · Sep 29, 2011

I hope all the snapon fans who think that the dual 80 is made in usa and just not stamped that way any longer read this thread.

Bart Simpson · Sep 29, 2011

powertrip said:
I hope all the snapon fans who think that the dual 80 is made in usa and just not stamped that way any longer read this thread.

Some of us actually KNOW where the Dual 80 is made so we don't have to " think " it is made in the USA we KNOW it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not made in Spain or Taiwan or any other place .

It is made in the USA just as all the documentation states.

Snap on is not breaking numerous federal and state laws, opening themselves up to massive lawsuits to lie to the public as the Trolls and conspiracy theorist in their tin foil hats would have you believe.

warmpancakes · Sep 29, 2011

according to some companies and pending lawsuits 70% of usa made content is enough to label as usa made

davesnothere · Sep 29, 2011

Oh jesus. Who cares where the snappy guts are made? They work awesome, and that's all that matters.
At least to me.

kissmeimgerman · Sep 29, 2011

davesnothere said:
Oh jesus. Who cares where the snappy guts are made? They work awesome, and that's all that matters.
At least to me.

^^^^

Fedwrench · Sep 29, 2011

Some of you guys really take your tools waaaay too seriously. :wtf:

earlthegoat2 · Sep 29, 2011

Who cares about CCO already??!!

Does it work? Does it work well?

Why is it that when something is said to be made in China it is immediately deemed to be **** and if something is made in Germany it is instantly deemed to be really high quality?

Neither is Made in USA.

Sterff · Sep 30, 2011

Bart Simpson said:
Some of us actually KNOW where the Dual 80 is made so we don't have to " think " it is made in the USA we KNOW it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not made in Spain or Taiwan or any other place .

It is made in the USA just as all the documentation states.

Snap on is not breaking numerous federal and state laws, opening themselves up to massive lawsuits to lie to the public as the Trolls and conspiracy theorist in their tin foil hats would have you believe.

It's good you think that. Not many other people do. Even my dealer says the guts aren't made in the US.

diesel research · Sep 30, 2011

Sterff said:
It's good you think that. Not many other people do. Even my dealer says the guts aren't made in the US.

The important question is, is he privy to secret information, or is he semi-clueless bs'er?

How can we tell?

t100 · Sep 30, 2011

it never gets old, that is so much fun.

back to the ratchet, do they make a flex head one?

Creditor · Sep 30, 2011

Fedwrench said:
......... The ratchet is made in Spain.

Is it stamped Made in Spain?

diesel research · Sep 30, 2011

Creditor · Sep 30, 2011

diesel research said:

By reading that catalog page, the 7750 is made in the USA. I guess Bahco, and Snap-on have teamed up with the second shooter on the grassy knoll to continue the conspiracy.

kythri · Sep 30, 2011

Bart Simpson said:
Snap on is not breaking numerous federal and state laws, opening themselves up to massive lawsuits to lie to the public as the Trolls and conspiracy theorist in their tin foil hats would have you believe.

Lay off the huge fonts.

Obviously, Snap-On isn't breaking any laws, because they're not marking the ratchet as "Made in the USA".

Creditor · Sep 30, 2011

kythri said:
Lay off the huge fonts.

Obviously, Snap-On isn't breaking any laws, because they're not marking the ratchet as "Made in the USA".

They are stating that they are in their marketing materials.

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...=20864&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

Stock # F80
Name Ratchet, Sealed Head, Dual 80 Technology, Standard Handle, 3/8" drive, 7 11/32"
Price** $84.95
Brand Snap-on
Country Of Origin USA
Finish Chrome
Aerospace Spec. AS4283 Rev-A
ASME/ANSI B107-10M-2005
Gear Action 4.5°
Gear Teeth 80
Head Type Sealed
Description Standard Handle
Ratchet Service Kit RKRF80
Square Drive, inches 3/8
U.S. Patent 4,934,220 and 6,125,722

warmpancakes · Sep 30, 2011

perhaps you need to read the tariff act of 1930

"However, if the goods are destined for a U.S. based processor where they will undergo “substantial transformation”, then that processor or manufacturer is considered the ultimate purchaser. The law authorizes exceptions to labeling requirements, such as for articles incapable of being marked or where the cost would be “economically prohibitive.”"

translation parts can be sent here transformed "read installed" into a ratchet handle and it would be legal to call them made in usa, Im wondering does a 80 tooth repair kit say made in usa?

north · Sep 30, 2011

Creditor said:
By reading that catalog page, the 7750 is made in the USA. I guess Bahco, and Snap-on have teamed up with the second shooter on the grassy knoll to continue the conspiracy.

The 'Made in U.S.A.' applies to the Williams ratchets.

Letters in the product code = Made in U.S.A.
No letters in the product code = imported.

See catalog.

Creditor · Sep 30, 2011

warmpancakes said:
translation parts can be sent here transformed "read installed" into a ratchet handle and it would be legal to call them made in usa, Im wondering does a 80 tooth repair kit say made in usa?

http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...=21365&supersede=&store=snapon-store&tool=all

Stock # RKRF80
Name Kit, Ratchet Service
Price** $10.00
Brand Snap-on
Country Of Origin USA

neonnblack · Sep 30, 2011

This is getting good, like a nice drama/thriller movie. Keep it going.

north · Sep 30, 2011

I like COO discussions. Not because it matters to the function of the tool but because I like tool history and tool development. Part of the hobby.

mooman · Sep 30, 2011

mrholeshot · Sep 30, 2011

Bart Simpson said:
Some of us actually KNOW where the Dual 80 is made so we don't have to " think " it is made in the USA we KNOW it is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is not made in Spain or Taiwan or any other place .

It is made in the USA just as all the documentation states.

Snap on is not breaking numerous federal and state laws, opening themselves up to massive lawsuits to lie to the public as the Trolls and conspiracy theorist in their tin foil hats would have you believe.

Stop yelling! The kool-aid must of had too much suger in it this time around :lol_hitti

mrholeshot · Sep 30, 2011

Fedwrench said:
Picked up a Bahco model 7750 80 tooth ratchet ratchet the other day on a whim. The ratchet is made in Spain. I was surprised to see that the internals match a Snap on F80 ratchet down to the same printing (in english) on the gear cover plate "Sealed ratchet-do not immerse in fluids, replace worn parts, and PAT Pend." The ratchet measures 8 inches overall.
The comfort grip is well, comfortable. The rubber? suface has some texture to it, it's rectangular shaped, and gives a little when squeezed hard. There is a hole in the handle which may bother some. There's a slight curve where the handle meets the ratchet beam that provides for natural thumb placement. The ratchet beam is squarish, not round. The ratchet has good balance and feel to it. I'll take it to work and see how it performs.
The pictures below compare the Bahco to a standard F80 ratchet.

I think it's cool. Now that the 80 series seem to be getting the screws put in the right side again (S series is a start) I would like to see Williams get the old Dual 80 head. They are great no matter who, what or where they are made

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