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Hollow Handle (Wooden, also Steel) Combination Tool and Bits

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Cleaned, waxed and off the the Curio Cabinet. I will keep my eyes open at estate sales, now that I know what I'm looking for.

For reference, it is marked: "THE G. L. HOLT CO HFD. CT. PAT'D"

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Very nice Grizz. Looks like your example has my 7 bits plus the saw, gouge, and reamer. [I may have all these ends on other styles of combination handles though :) ] I'm keeping my eyes open and maybe I'll find a more complete model
 
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] I'm keeping my eyes open and maybe I'll find a more complete model
Some manufacturers sold different levels of kits, yours may have only come with 7. Ss you look at the MF examples here, a different number of bits per handle.

I don't know that we have a definitive answer on what all Holt sold yet, to decide if yours is a complete set or not.

 

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TWICE LUCKY! As I have continued sorting, cleaning, and identifying old tools in the garage, I found a second one. This one by Bridgeport Hardware (I don't believe the piece of triangular file is original to the tool, but it was packed inside the handle)

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And this one I can trace the provenance of. In the early 1900's my great grandfather was, among other things, a violin maker/repairer in Dunkirk NY. I know this from family history and this advertisement a relative has.
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His name was Michael Francis Rzepkowski and he had the foresight to mark some of his tools with his initials.

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I have been fruitlessly searching for a violin of his make for a few years now. I doubt that very many were made and possibly few if any still exist.

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As I have continued sorting, cleaning, and identifying old tools in the garage, I found a second one. This one by Bridgeport Hardware
Does that unit have a patent date on it? Should be JAN 14, 1868. And is it quite large? It looks like the type we have seen with many different markings, including Millers Falls, Springfield, RED DEVIL, and others, believed to have been made, at least at first, by Millers Falls, and then by many others or perhaps for many others. See last of page 4 into page 5. Yours is the first BHM, if memory serves.
And this one I can trace the provenance of. In the early 1900's my great grandfather was, among other things, a violin maker/repairer in Dunkirk NY. I know this from family history and this advertisement a relative has.
That's a wonderful story and a wonderful keepsake!
 

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Does that unit have a patent date on it? Should be JAN 14, 1868. And is it quite large? It looks like the type we have seen with many different markings, including Millers Falls, Springfield,
Looking at the add from miller falls someone else posted in post #202, it seems almost an exact match of the miller falls #5 tool which does include what appears to be a file and even a similar saw. Mine seems to contain a countersink instead of the reamer though. Mine is marked, "THE BRIDGEPORT HDWE MFG CORP." but no date I see. I'll try to post better pictures and check with a magnifying glass after I get it cleaned up.

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This doesn't quite fit the hollow handle part of the title, but a cool vintage set either way. Not mine, seller listed it as Crown Cutlery from Germany.

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I had to move around many tools in the garage to facilitate installation of a new garage door. While I had these out I figured that I’d take a picture. We found the unmarked partial one at an estate sale on Saturday. I had forgotten about the Made in Japan one on the right.
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I thought I found another one last week. Until I opened the end.
Found inside a sewing needle, and thread. I’m guessing for leather.
It has to be original, or someone found the perfect fitting thread spool.
I’ve got a couple of similar that have the spool between the wood and the head, but this the first I’ve found of this type.
 

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Here are a few pics of my slowly growing "collection" to date. I found the Keen Kutter branded front loader last week inspiring me to take a few pics. Looks like it's been used quite a bit but still decent shape with only one fork of the tack puller broken off. The other two in the center are unmarked but were modestly priced and had enough attachments to make it home with me. A few pics. Ed.
 

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I found another interesting multi tool in a box being sold with a bunch of miscellaneous tools the other day. This one stores the bits in front under the collet nut similar to the Keen Kutter I posted above. It is a stubby little fellow with storage holes in the handle to keep the bits organized. No markings I could see so far. A couple pics with the taller KK tool. Ed.
 

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OK, not going to start a new thread for a One 0ff type tool, so hoping Lugz will forgive the intrusion here with a little bit of metal.

I had never seen this before, but I had attempted to get one through an auction the week prior, lost it in the last minutes when it went over my max bid. Found this in Portland last weekend, grabbed it, hoping bits were in it, and it rattled. No idea what I had besides a chuck.

As seen in the 1926 Goodell Pratt Toolmakers catalog, also in 1922, 1913, & 1909. Usually right before their hollow wooden handled lists. A #231 Pocket Screw-Driver Set.

I am missing the 1/8" wide flat head bit, but have the awl and the 3/16 & 1/4" flat blades


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I noticed this thread when Lugz started it and have kept up with it since the beginning, always enjoying these interesting little tools. The sheer variety of the tool bits that were available is amazing. Today I found one at a tag sale that would seem to resemble the Fray's patent model at the start of the thread although I invite any corrections or comments.

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It figures. I get ALL the way through a thread, not seeing what I am looking for, until the second to the last post.

Today, in the Portland West Hills, I found this little jobber in a very posh house estate sale. A Goodell Pratt #231.
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All three bits!
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All back together.
and, here is the original catalog listing
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It figures. I get ALL the way through a thread, not seeing what I am looking for, until the second to the last post.

Today, in the Portland West Hills, I found this little jobber in a very posh house estate sale. A Goodell Pratt #231.
both came from Portland too. You mean you don’t hang on every post I make? At least you got the third bit. Did you try Search This Thread for GP? I even spelled it out for future searchers.
 
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Today I found one at a tag sale that would seem to resemble the Fray's patent model at the start of the thread although I invite any corrections or comments.
Nice find, Tom, and I agree.
Yours looks a bit mushroomed.
My first thought as well! Flared, was the word I had in mind, though. I wonder if they did that on purpose with the intent of improving the grip. If not, I wonder if it would flare more evenly if pounded on give the original shape and hollow cavity. The difference between Beemer's and RTM's is stark.
 

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I'm a new member to this site. I ran across it while researching hollow handle wooden combination tools. I am trying to compile information on the patents, patentees and the tools themselves. I see from this forum that there is quite an interest in them. Is anyone on this thread compiling similar information? I have a decent collection of these tools and continue to pick them up as I find ones I don't have.
Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate this site. I see several years of posts on this topic alone.
 

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Thank you, Kwigly! I'll post a photo later. Yes, I use datamp a lot in my research. I'm also researching the history of the patentees/manufacturers and the tools. Quite interesting study!
 

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Hello there @mostlyplanes and welcome to the site!

keep this link handy at all times

and this one

on the second link, you'll see a line that says "for the most recent update, click here"
click that hyperlink. DOWNLOAD the notepad *.txt file.
OPEN the notepad *.txt file in Windows and use the "search" function: keywords: "combination tool"

Because of the cross-over between "combination tool" and "multi-tool" (not to mention the advent of electric-powered hand-held oscillating "multi-tools", the nomenclature gets fuzzy. If you're already familiar with the genre, you know the big names: Fray, Millers Falls, etc.. I am assuming you're looking for the more obscure. I have attempted when possible to include patent information on each line item in that list.

THEN scroll all the way down to the bottom of that list and you'll find a list of "Sources". Some of the URLs make the subject matter self-evident, others are lacking descriptions. (on my "to do" list).
Some fabulous information sources there.

Lastly, as well as datamp.org, check out International Tool Catalog Library
 
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Oh, and I'm still trying to figure out how to navigate this site. I see several years of posts on this topic alone.
The forum descends in time from page 1 to page n. When a thread (topic) has new activity, such as your post #227 in this one, it goes to the top of page 1. When another thread has newer activity, it bumps it. And so on. That pushes threads down the page, eventually to page 2, and buries them fairly fast thereafter. Until someone replies, which bumps it to page 1 again.

There are hundreds of threads, but only dozens with persistent ctivity. There is an A-Z Index of threads in the Sticky (permanent thread) at the top of this forum. That will give you a good idea of the major topics. While there, read the Sticky, which also contains some tips on how to use the site.

If you entered GJ via this thread, you're down in the weeds. Back your way out to the main forums page so you can see the entire site, which has several forums, each with several subsections. To do that, scroll to the top left, just above the title of this thread, where you'll see navigating links that read: Forums > The Tools > Vintage Tool Discussion. Click on Forums. You'll see The Tool section. And in that section, you'll see Vintage Tool Discussion. And in Vintage Tool Discussion, you'll see this thread somewhere on page 1.

If you Watch it (button at the top of the thread), you can always get to it via your Watched list, also at the top.
 
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I never looked at this closely before, and assumed that the paint job was factory. On closer examination, it appears to be hand painted, but a damn good job of it. It is a Buell Brothers.
I wouldn't be so quick to give it away! It appears to be an example of a rare special "Handikit" model intended for dual-use as a puppet!

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So, Private Lugnutz, I take it you are into these tool handles, also?
If by "into" you mean I collect them, I am fond of them, I am interested enough to devote some research into identifying them, and I started a thread dedicated to them so that others with a similar interest can share and collectively pursue them in a more organized way, yes. (If you're still trying to figure this place out, that's what we do around here on the GJ Vintage board. Threads are fun, but they also accrue an encyclopedic quality over time, that in many cases exceeds the depth and breadth of any and all other references on the internet or in print on a particular topic.) They are not the sole object of the "passion" RJ refers to, and maybe not even Top 10 in terms of types of vintage or antique tools I collect, though. "The Lugzsonian" is just a funny name riffing on the much shorter nickname version of my username that a friend gave to the basement of my house, where my collection resides, and it stuck. You can take a quick virtual 'walking tour' within the first 5 or 6 pages here.
 
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I don’t collect tools for the value of them, but for their utility.
It has utility! Do you have any annoying neighborhood kids? You could shove the tack claw and a screwdriver bit into the chuck to give the clown legs and drill the gimlet and awl into the body for arms and then you would have a Consumer Products Safety Commission disapproved toy with which to test Darwin's theory on survival of the fittest! Science!!
 

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Now that puppet faced hollow handle is funny! Reading down I assumed just a boring day for some crafter who painted up their tool. Then Lugz pulls out the advertisement page for it. :D
 
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After reading your other post, I conclude that I am of a different stripe.
I know we've had this not mutually exclusive discussion before, but just to re-emphasize, this hobby has its strict utilitarians, and I'm clearly not one of them, but it also has plenty of shade tree mechanics who also like collecting vintage tools they have no intention of using.
I’m also a man of my word. If you want it, you can have it. Or somebody else can.
Somebody else. I already have a Buell Bros. If I ran into it in the wild, I would probably snag it just for novelty grins, but I'm not interested enough to have it shipped. Thanks for thinking of me, though.
Do you have any annoying neighborhood kids? You could shove the tack claw and a screwdriver bit into the chuck to give the clown legs and drill the gimlet and awl into the body for arms and then you would have a Consumer Products Safety Commission disapproved toy with which to test Darwin's theory on survival of the fittest! Science!!
Snerk.
Then Lugz pulls out the advertisement page for it.
That's not the only thing I pulled, but RJ's leg was resistant. As was Old Radar's. And yours. Apparently that post needed a well-placed tongue-in-cheel and devil emoji.

It's a sophosticated fake out, guys! I doctored that ad. It's the old National Lampooner and Onion-ite in me! Sorry. I was going for laughs, not fooling. Honest. I thought it would be more obvious. I guess I outdid my outlandish forgery skills! :)
 
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I'll put my hand up. I'm surprised the Acquisitions dept didn't verify with the Curator though :evil:

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