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I am looking to buy a hand held plasma cutter for out in the garage. This will be in my home garage. I already have an oxygen/acet torch for thicker metal. I would like a plasma to cut up to 1/4". I have a nice air compressor that will keep up no problem. Would like a quality unit, but do not need an industrial unit as my uses will just be for home use. I do not have intentions of ever getting a plasma table, I just don't have the patience or interest to deal with the computer programming.
 
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Buy one off Amazon that has pilot arc, and has an ag60(or better) torch head. Look for one with a lot of reviews. Will cost you between $200-$350

The one I bought is a herocut 55i. It's a non pilot arc model and originally came with a pt31 torch, but I purchased and installed an ag60 torch head for the better consumables.

At work we have a miller spectrum 375 x-treme, which I believe was made by hypertherm, or at least the torch was for sure, and my herocut cuts every bit as good, probably even better on 1/4" or thicker.
 
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Do you have a budget? A Hypertherm Powermax 30XP comes to mind when you say "Quality but not Industrial", but will still run you about $1900.
i got the powermax 30. its nice, I use the hell out of it. parts are not cheap. I wish i got bigger like 45 but the 30 will cut 3/8 plate

make sure you get the case too, that way you can hide it from your buddies
 

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I don't think you could go wrong with other brand names like HTP, Lincoln or Miller, but I do believe Hypertherm really stands apart from the others.

They support their machines forever, I've seen them reach out to people on forums to inspect circuit boards on ancient machines for free, give out free factory troubleshooting advice and more. They really seem like a truly standout company.

FWIW, my friends and I have been burned by cheap china plasmacutters before. Blew up real fast.
 
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I'm not sure of budget at this point. This is a desire, not a need. I typically subscribe to the 'buy once, cry once' motto. BUT, $350 does look inviting compared to $1900 for same capabilities. Can buy several Chinese plasma cutters at $350 each before you hit $1900.
 

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Buy one off Amazon that has pilot arc, and has an ag60(or better) torch head. Look for one with a lot of reviews. Will cost you between $200-$350

The one I bought is a herocut 55i. It's a non pilot arc model and originally came with a pt31 torch, but I purchased and installed an ag60 torch head for the better consumables.

At work we have a miller spectrum 375 x-treme, which I believe was made by hypertherm, or at least the torch was for sure, and my herocut cuts every bit as good, probably even better on 1/4" or thicker.
I've been looking at the Herocut 55DP for awhile, right now it's $199 on Amazon, after a $30 discount coupon. Great reviews across the board. I'm completely clueless about plasma cutters. Any addons or upgrades besides consumables I need to buy with it?

I've got an occasional use for a light duty plasma cutter, but not enough need to invest alot of money into one. Seems a lot more convenient and cleaner than a torch or a cut off wheel, and a lot less work overall.
 
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I've been looking at the Herocut 55DP for awhile, right now it's $199 on Amazon, after a $30 discount coupon. Great reviews across the board. I'm completely clueless about plasma cutters. Any addons or upgrades besides consumables I need to buy with it?

I've got an occasional use for a light duty plasma cutter, but not enough need to invest alot of money into one. Seems a lot more convenient and cleaner than a torch or a cut off wheel, and a lot less work overall.
Looks like that one comes with an AG60 torch so you should be good to go. Look on Amazon for AG60 consumables and buy a pack from riverweld or similar and you'll be good for a long time.

It is 100% usable right out of the box, but I put a leather torch cover on mine as well which I would recommend, and put a longer 12g power cord on it but this may or may not be necessary to you.

Dedicate a metal speed square to leave with it, and take off the corners of the square on the 90 degree joint then this can be used as a straight edge to guide the torch for anything straight and 6" or shorter. Keep a longer piece of ~3/16" flatbar to dedicate as a straight edge as well. So fast to cutup material
 

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I'm not sure of budget at this point. This is a desire, not a need. I typically subscribe to the 'buy once, cry once' motto. BUT, $350 does look inviting compared to $1900 for same capabilities. Can buy several Chinese plasma cutters at $350 each before you hit $1900.

Capabilities are not the same. Research and look at the duty cycle for each. Yes they will both cut the same thickness plate but the cheaper ones have a very low duty cycle and will burn themselves out quickly if you go over it too often. If you just occasionally want to cut off a piece of angle iron the cheap ones are perfectly adequate but if you are slicing up large sheets of plate you want something with a much higher duty cycle.
 

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I have the Miller 375, but would go bigger if I had a do over. It’s ok for auto body, but struggles cutting plate above 1/4”.

I would seriously look at what Primeweld has to offer if budget was part of the decision process.

Otherwise, what those other guys are saying holds.
 

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Capabilities are not the same. Research and look at the duty cycle for each. Yes they will both cut the same thickness plate but the cheaper ones have a very low duty cycle and will burn themselves out quickly if you go over it too often. If you just occasionally want to cut off a piece of angle iron the cheap ones are perfectly adequate but if you are slicing up large sheets of plate you want something with a much higher duty cycle.
A $3-4k Miller has the same 60% duty cycle as the $200 Herocut. While there's no doubt the Miller is a much more substantial machine, as someone pointed out earlier, I can buy alot of $200 plasma cutters for that same $3-4k. I can afford a few hundred bucks for "I want but don't need", I can't afford a few thousand.
 

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A $3-4k Miller has the same 60% duty cycle as the $200 Herocut. While there's no doubt the Miller is a much more substantial machine, as someone pointed out earlier, I can buy alot of $200 plasma cutters for that same $3-4k. I can afford a few hundred bucks for "I want but don't need", I can't afford a few thousand.

Except the Herocut's 60% duty cycle is probably actually more like 20% and will dump a ton of interference out to other electronics so good luck ever using in CNC applications and it's consumables won't be available in a year and the cut quality will be poor and on and on...the difference with Miller or Hypertherm or similar name brands is they will be reliable and live up to their specs and be supported long into the future.
 

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Newest piece of equipment I run was made in 1941...CNC and electrical interference isn't going to be an issue. Ever. Unless it causes my little $1.98 AM shop radio to quit working or kills the overhead lights. That'd mildly irk me. Consumables readily available for the AG60 torch from a wide variety of manufacturers at a wide variety of price points. Cut quality is reported as being excellent with over 1300 separate favorable ratings. I'm not going to be alive "long into the future", mortality is knocking at the door wanting in...hard. Which makes planning long term remarkably easy.

I can buy a cheap one to play with, or not buy one at all. Which isn't a tough call at all.
 

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I've been debating a plasma cutter recently as well. Like some of the other posts, it'll be for very occasional home use, so I don't want to spend $1500+ for something that will mostly collect dust. Of course, I'd rather get something better than the absolute cheapest generic brands, but there doesn't seem to be that many choices in between the $200-300 generics, and then the $1500+ name brand stuff.

The Herocut 55 does have good reviews, but I guess I'm skeptical of longevity based on the $200 price- I paid almost that for a decent vacuum a few years ago :D . Of course, the reviews are good enough that it's obviously a pretty good unit.

Primeweld has several models that all have excellent reviews, and a three year warranty. And everyone raves about their customer service. Would this be a good "in between" option? Anyone here have one?

I have 240V outlets and a 23+ CFM compressor.

 

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I've got good friends who work for Hypertherm (a worker owned company), they have come to my classes to demonstrate and talk to my students (they get days off for community service), and their support and quality is amazing.
I understand saving money, but they REALLY are light years ahead of the Chinese junk IMHO.
 

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Except the Herocut's 60% duty cycle is probably actually more like 20% and will dump a ton of interference out to other electronics so good luck ever using in CNC applications and it's consumables won't be available in a year and the cut quality will be poor and on and on...the difference with Miller or Hypertherm or similar name brands is they will be reliable and live up to their specs and be supported long into the future.
I've used mine damn near non stop with no issues. Cut quality is excellent and actually better than our spectrum 375 extreme that we have at work.

A consumable kit from hypertherm costs ~ the same price as an entire plasma cutter.

If you're a fab shop or have a plasma table sure, for the home guy the math makes absolutely no sense. Will be 5 years in June that I've had my herocut. I'm into it for $250 Canadian with the torch cover & ag60 torch.

You'll spend more in consumables for the hypertherm by the time the herocut dies, then the cost of the herocut. Plus the cost of the hypertherm itself.

I am a big fan of miller/Lincoln/name brand welders. As the difference is say $800 for a gamble or $2000 for a good welder that lasts 25 years.

$200 for a gamble(which they've been around for a looong time now, it's not much of a gamble). Vs $2000+ for a hypertherm makes it an easy choice.

Hypertherm for a home shop guy has been bad advice for ~5-10 years now
 
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I'm sure most people can get by just fine with a chicom plasma cutter in their home shop. If you can afford it though I certainly wouldn't consider it money wasted buying a hypertherm like some suggest however. I have had both and I'm at a point in my life were I have more money than time and just need things to work. Never once regretted buying the hypertherm 45 ten or so years ago.
 

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Except the Herocut's 60% duty cycle is probably actually more like 20% and will dump a ton of interference out to other electronics so good luck ever using in CNC applications and it's consumables won't be available in a year and the cut quality will be poor and on and on...the difference with Miller or Hypertherm or similar name brands is they will be reliable and live up to their specs and be supported long into the future.
I wouldn’t base my decision on my first ever plasma cutter purchase on if it will work on a CNC application.

You’re missing the point that an entry level plasma can be purchased for a fraction of the cost, and can be replaced many times before it makes sense to buy something at 5x the cost. If that’s what it takes to get someone into the process, more power to them. Today’s low cost imports have a place.

I mentioned the Primeweld plasmas. Over on their FB page, there are a lot of people running multiple imports on plasma tables, apparently with great success. One guy said he has six tables running, doing production work. I probably wouldn’t recommend that, but he seems happy…
 

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I wouldn’t base my decision on my first ever plasma cutter purchase on if it will work on a CNC application.

You’re missing the point that an entry level plasma can be purchased for a fraction of the cost, and can be replaced many times before it makes sense to buy something at 5x the cost. If that’s what it takes to get someone into the process, more power to them. Today’s low cost imports have a place.

I mentioned the Primeweld plasmas. Over on their FB page, there are a lot of people running multiple imports on plasma tables, apparently with great success. One guy said he has six tables running, doing production work. I probably wouldn’t recommend that, but he seems happy…
I haven't heard a single person with a plasma cutter that doesn't want to go CNC with it someday...it's where they really shine.

In any case, every time I've tried to pinch pennies getting the cheap chinese version of something, I always end up buying the good version in the end. So $200 + $2500 is still more than $2500 in the first place. Buy once, cry once.
 

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I haven't heard a single person with a plasma cutter that doesn't want to go CNC with it someday...it's where they really shine.

In any case, every time I've tried to pinch pennies getting the cheap chinese version of something, I always end up buying the good version in the end. So $200 + $2500 is still more than $2500 in the first place. Buy once, cry once.
So you sell the cheap one for $100-150 locally and it became a $50-100 buy in to see how much you end up using your plasma cutter.

Or drop $2500 to realize not as much as you thought, or worse, don't buy one at all because you don't want to spend $2500.

Would you recommend a $350 titanium framing hammer for the dude building a doghouse, too? Just in case he wants to become a framer afterwards
 

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I'm not the OP, but in the similar boat and I'm not spending $2k on a plasma cutter because I don't really need it- and will almost never use it. I have an OA torch, cutoff tools.... I do have an upcoming project where it would be nicer to use than a torch, so I'm debating purchasing one. But <$800 is what it's worth to me. I'm not going to be cutting 1/2" plate for hours each week all year.

It's the same with someone that might use a MIG welder 20 minutes total each year in their home garage - he doesn't need to have a $2k Miller - or a $2k Hypertherm.
 

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FYI: I wouldn't trust online reviews for cheap Chinese things, especially on Amazon. They literally pay companies to purchase products, leave a review, and then send it back to them. It's been documented and proven. Be suspicious of basically any product with hundreds or thousands of 5 star reviews. The reality is very few people leave reviews for a product unless they have problems with it. So any product with thousands of 5+ star reviews are probably fake reviews.

I only said Hypertherm, because you said "quality". $1900 is a lot, but it's also not that much if you get 20+ years out of the machine - which you will. But if you don't think you'll be around for 20 years, well then maybe it ain't worth it. What's unfortunate is that there aren't a lot of brand-name "budget" plasma cutters in the $600-800 range. It's either $250 Amazon specials, or $1700-2000 Hypertherm/HTP/Lincoln/Miller machines.

I've personally have had bad luck with the Amazon specials, and known other people as well to have problems with them. They work until they blow up, then there is no support, and then you throw them out.

It kills me to say this, but it might be worth looking at the Haborfreight Titanium plasmacutter. It's about $800, seems like a decent quality machine, and has gotten favorable reviews from people on YouTube. Pay the extra for the 2 year warranty, and use the hell out of it to really stress it those first few months.
 

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I've not used one, but the Primeweld Cut60 has good reviews.
PrimeWeld has six plasma cutters in their portfolio, and their customers go Gaga over the Cut60, which is their most expensive unit at $699, with a three year warranty. The cheapest is $289.

PrimeWeld pays for shipping both ways if warranty work is required.
 

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PrimeWeld has six plasma cutters in their portfolio, and their customers go Gaga over the Cut60, which is their most expensive unit at $699, with a three year warranty. The cheapest is $289.

PrimeWeld pays for shipping both ways if warranty work is required.

Yeah, I am seriously debating purchasing the Cut60. I don't need anything that big, but it has some features that the Cut50 doesn't, and the price is acceptable to me. If I don't get the 60, I'll most likely get the 50.

edit- the difference between the Primeweld and HF is that PW actually stocks parts in the US; and evidently has fantastic customer service with people that know WTF they're talking about. So, if you have something fail, you call and get that part sent to you. With HF you're limited to an exchange on the warranty period. And after two years if it breaks you thow it away.
 
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Yeah, I am seriously debating purchasing the Cut60. I don't need anything that big, but it has some features that the Cut50 doesn't, and the price is acceptable to me. If I don't get the 60, I'll most likely get the 50.

edit- the difference between the Primeweld and HF is that PW actually stocks parts; and evidently has fantastic customer service with people that know WTF they're talking about. So, if you have something fail, you call and get that part sent to you. With HF you're limited to an exchange on the warranty period. And after two years you thow it away.
To me, even if the Primeweld is the same guts inside as the cheaper Amazon machines, the price premium is worth it if they offer support and service.

I'm not even old yet, and I'm over getting hosed by cheap junk with no support and service. I love that I can call up Lincoln and still get parts, schematics and wiring diagrams for my ~15 year old MIG machine. I love that Hyperthem still supports and helps diagnoses plasma cutters pushing 30+ years old.
 

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To me, even if the Primeweld is the same guts inside as the cheaper Amazon machines, the price premium is worth it if they offer support and service.

I'm not even old yet, and I'm over getting hosed by cheap junk with no support and service. I love that I can call up Lincoln and still get parts, schematics and wiring diagrams for my ~15 year old MIG machine. I love that Hyperthem still supports and helps diagnoses plasma cutters pushing 30+ years old.

I agree- I'm willing to pay a few hundred $ extra for the Primeweld support, parts availability, being able to talk to someone that speaks english, in the US, on the phone if I have an issue- even if it's the same parts inside the box that the "other" brands sell that's $200 less on Amazon.

I also have a Lincoln MIG welder that's ~30 yrs old. And a 40+ year old Miller stick welder. No issues so far, knock on wood. But I'm just not spending $2k for a plasma cutter.
 

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Herocut says 2 year warranty & they also have a distributor, or at least a network in USA according to their website.

Best thing you can do is use it lots when you initially purchase. Most people get burned when they buy it and leave it in a box for 6 years then plug it in and it doesn't work.

Also 100% duty cycle up to 40amps so the duty cycle comment is funny
 
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Herocut says 2 year warranty & they also have a distributor, or at least a network in USA according to their website.

Best thing you can do is use it lots when you initially purchase. Most people get burned when they buy it and leave it in a box for 6 years then plug it in and it doesn't work.

Also 100% duty cycle up to 40amps so the duty cycle comment is funny

Ok, buy one, run 40 amps solid for hours on end, I'll wait...

Hint: there's no way in hell it does it.
 

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I don't think you could go wrong with other brand names like HTP, Lincoln or Miller, but I do believe Hypertherm really stands apart from the others.

They support their machines forever, I've seen them reach out to people on forums to inspect circuit boards on ancient machines for free, give out free factory troubleshooting advice and more. They really seem like a truly standout company.
We have had a Hypertherm 30A ?? model for more than 10 years. They do NOT provide consumables for it any more and it just stopped switching from pilot arc to main power, so I guess about to find out how well they support things they have abandoned. Agree with others that 30A of brand name capacity easily handles 1/4" but my next will probably be 60A (ouch $$$). What brand I get will depend on how the next few weeks go.
 
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Ok, buy one, run 40 amps solid for hours on end, I'll wait...

Hint: there's no way in hell it does it.
I have one, and have never, ever once had to wait for it.

Not CNC but I doubt anyone buying one of these is for a CNC

I doubt anyone thought they'd be tig welding 3/8" aluminum on a 30a breaker 25 years ago either but it's amazing how much technology advances
 
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Ok, buy one, run 40 amps solid for hours on end, I'll wait...

Hint: there's no way in hell it does it.

Dude, c'mon. No one here is saying that a $200-$800 machine is suitable to work anywhere close to 8 hours a day at anywhere close to 100% rating. We're talking about a machine for very, very... occasional home hobby use. Again, I'm not paying $2k for a plasma cutter for 30 minutes use a year, 99% of which will be for less than 1/4" thick steel at a few minutes at a time.

Just like I don't need a $200 Snap on ratchet when a $40 gearwrench works just as well.
 

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Dude, c'mon. No one here is saying that a $200-$800 machine is suitable to work anywhere close to 8 hours a day at anywhere close to 100% rating. We're talking about a machine for very, very... occasional home hobby use. Again, I'm not paying $2k for a plasma cutter for 30 minutes use a year, 99% of which will be for less than 1/4" thick steel at a few minutes at a time.

Just like I don't need a $200 Snap on ratchet when a $40 gearwrench works just as well.
To be fair, the OP specified wanting a "quality unit but not an industrial unit" without specifying a price range. I think we'd have to agree that a $200 box isn't exactly a "quality unit" and that the mid-range $1000-ish units are probably a better fit for that vague description. $2500 though, being the opposite extreme of the $200 box.

Ok, buy one
On order, you've convinced me. Pretty sure if it works out of the box, and I get a couple hours happily hacking and slashing steel out of it before it fries, I'll get my $200 out of it in pure entertainment value. God knows, I've spent considerably more for less. If it's useful, I like it, can see where one would be handy to have around...then we can talk spending $2500 on one if/when it craps out. Again, I've spent considerably more for less. But my suspicion is that it'll be perfectly fine for the very limited uses I have for one.

Most of the use I'll get out of it, is to fill in the annoyingly empty slot on the cart my very rarely used MIG welder sits on. Since I mostly (still) use a stick welder or braze, same as I ever did. I'd imagine, that most of my metal cutting will still be done with my perfectly serviceable powered hacksaw (same as for the last 50-odd years), a cut-off wheel, my circular saw, or a torch. Same as I ever did. Seriously doubt buying a plasma cutter is going to cause me to have a burning desire to buy a $3-5k entry level CNC/plasma table (for what, exactly?) or learn computer programming so I can use it (to make what, exactly?). If by some fluke it does...then the $200 cost is less than the cost of the consumables a quality unit would burn through learning how to use one.

I've personally have had bad luck with the Amazon specials, and known other people as well to have problems with them. They work until they blow up, then there is no support, and then you throw them out.
I've had pretty good luck...it depends on your expectations. Generally, in life, you get what you pay for. But occasionally, you get pleasantly surprised. In this specific instance, we're talking a $200 plasma cutter. You think anyone expects it to perform and have the service life of a $2500 box? Exactly what are the expectations of it? Pretty low? I'm thinking "work until it blows up, and then throw it out". To my mind, the only real question is whether or not I get $200 worth of use out of it before it blows up. Because at that price point, it's essentially a disposable/expendable bit of hardware. The box itself is a "consumable", just like the cutting tips. It's not like I'm expecting a family heirloom tool, to be passed down through the generations...
 
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We have had a Hypertherm 30A ?? model for more than 10 years. They do NOT provide consumables for it any more and it just stopped switching from pilot arc to main power, so I guess about to find out how well they support things they have abandoned. Agree with others that 30A of brand name capacity easily handles 1/4" but my next will probably be 60A (ouch $$$). What brand I get will depend on how the next few weeks go.
Hmm? I still see consumables for the Powermax 30 in stock on Hypertherm's website as well as other retailers.
Pretty low? I'm thinking "work until it blows up, and then throw it out". Because at that price point, it's essentially a disposable/expendable bit of hardware. It's not like I'm expecting a family heirloom tool, to be passed down through the generations...
It's just that I have had the displeasure of cheap tools just failing immediately - not even providing $200 of use. So I tend to shoot for medium quality or something with a good warranty.
 
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