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Between 485 & 705 SQ/FT Bob Heine's Auto Emporium

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Few years back one of my colleagues at work who knew of my vise obsession, asked me if would be interested in buying a vise from his recently widowed sister for $50!

The back story was that her husband who was a mechanic, at age of 41 had suddenly died from heart attach and left her with two kids. And she had sold many of her late husband’s tools already (unfortunately, it sounded like at fire sale prices) and the vise was the last remaining tool.

I asked him if he has any photos of the vise, as depending on the brand, size and condition, the vise might be worth more or less. He then asked his sister to text me a couple photos. She texted me the first and second photos!! o_O


From the photos I could not tell if this was a 4 1/2” or 6 1/2” Snap-On vise but I told my colleague, this is a valuable vise and specially considering that your sister is a widow, I can not in good conscience buy it for $50. I also do not buy used tools at retail prices, so I would normally offer $100 but I rather cleanup and tidy up the vise and then she can list it for around $450 to $500 and it should sell quick.

He thanked me and said he will discuss this with his sister. The next day he brought the vise to work. It turned out to be the bigger more expensive 6 1/2” model.

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Mechanic's-Vises/Mechanic%26rsquo%3Bs-Vise-(6-1-2%22)/WV1765A

I normally would have stripped the vise to bare metal and painted it etc. But considering the fact that it was a Snap-On branded vise and its relation to Wilton, I thought painting it might raise suspicion as to its authenticity.

So I cleaned up the original paint as best I could, applied a clear coat to prevent rusting and polished all the none painted surfaces and lubricated the vise (third, fourth and fifth photos).

Unfortunately she listed the vise, if I remember correctly, for only around $400 and within a couple of hours someone bought it right away. But she still got a lot more than $50 that she was going to sell it for and that made me happy.
 

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@gman007, I too am a fan of the $35 solution first. I'm sure there are a fair number of people who regret buying a band file because they rarely use it. Long before I bought a bandfile I bought a Harbor Freight air file. I tried using it the day I brought it home and never pulled it out again. It should be prominently displayed on a 'STUPID STUPID STUPID' board. Instead it lives in the bottom of my small air tool drawer (the tools are small, the drawer is pretty big. It shares the very bottom of the drawer with a palm nailer and a reciprocating saw.
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The reciprocating saw was an impulse buy because I believed I would be using it in very wet locations. I bought it before Harbor Freight had stores in Florida. It was one of those gypsy tool trucks that set up mobile stores in Shrine club buildings. Full disclosure, I do have a small HF air saw that works just fine and uses little jigsaw blades. It's not at the very bottom of the drawer but it's nowhere near the top. I would store these air tools in a more accessible way but making them visible leads to a lot of hard to answer questions. It only takes a few seconds to grab a handful of hoses and pull the tools out of the drawer....
Small Pneumatic Tool Drawer 1.jpg
...and a couple of minutes to put them back.
Small Pneumatic Tool Drawer 2.jpg
My pneumatic wrenches hang on a cabinet in PVC pipe holders and my pneumatic body sanders reside on my HF one-drawer painting cart. The pneumatic nailers live in the drawer next to the small tool drawer.
Pneumatic Tool Drawers.jpg
My 'umble suggestion: color coding! Different colored whips is going too far ($) but some colored tape stripes, blue near tool, blue near coupler end, for example, could help with retrieving things. Or do it with Sharpies, one stripe, two stripe, etc etc.
 

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Bob - the HF air file is great in the right applications. I suspect anyone who picks it up is first struck by its weight, but that cast iron body is one of the secrets as the mass kills most of the vibration. I've used mine many times in making one off small parts with complicated shaped holes and curved edges.

The little air saw comes with some of the best small metal cutting blades, I've used them for cutting small steel stock. It's also really handy for cutting corrugated cardboard for use in CAD (cardboard assisted design).

The HF air powered band file is a screecher, I use my plastic Black and Decker all the time, the HF one mostly never..
 

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Bob - the HF air file is great in the right applications. I suspect anyone who picks it up is first struck by its weight, but that cast iron body is one of the secrets as the mass kills most of the vibration. I've used mine many times in making one off small parts with complicated shaped holes and curved edges.

I only became aware of air files in the past year, seeing a YouTube video of a machinist using it to tap a broken stud in the right tangential direction to turn it loose. It was pretty neat, being used like a tiny, controllable air hammer.
 
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I'm trying to catch up on my own thread so my responses take less than a week.
@Bob Heine - I bought a pneumatic palm nailer from HF years ago when I was installing my LiftMaster 8500. I needed to add an outlet box in the ceiling and space was tight between the ceiling joists in that area. That little palm nailer saved the day.

I've since used it once for nailing and once when I needed a mini-jackhammer to loosen some fittings. Worked like a charm so I'd say my $20 investment worked out well. But, yes, it now lives in some drawer in my toolbox not seeing the light of day.
Roger, I rarely use a nail to attach things and when I do it's done with a pneumatic stapler, brad, roof and stud nailers. Most stuff gets screwed together so the M12 1/4" hex drivers have become my go-to tools.
@Bob Heine
HF stuff, as Forrest Gump said, is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you will get. Many of the tools are trash but every now and then one can find a good one too.

As for Wen, I have had better luck! I have a Wen 12” variable speed drill press as well as a bench grinder and have been happy with both of them.

Now here is the thing, unfortunately to the dismay of many of us, most tools (and for that matter most other products ) from well respected US companies are made in China! And in fact many are actually made by third parties.

So quite often, one is paying extra for the brand name, where the same Item is made by a Chinese third party for several different brands, who then sell the item at different price points!

Case in point (I hope I have copied and pasted the correct links for right drill presses below) the 12” inch variable speed Jet drill press at $590, except for the color, is identical to 12” variable speed from Wen which is $277!

So why pay more than double for the same thing?

12” Jet drill press
Wen 12” drill press
@gman007, Harbor Freight is offering a lot of better (and higher priced) tools these days. When I first discovered Harbor Freight (in a Popular Science magazine) I ordered several pneumatic tools that were no-name chinesium. They were so much cheaper than the brand name stuff I figured I could throw three away and still be ahead on the money spent. Back then (late 1970s) the company went out of their way to provide repair parts for those tools so I stuck with them when their stores popped up like mushrooms. My recent experience has been a different story. They offer bargain priced battery tools but stop carrying the batteries and getting repair parts is a **** shoot. I feel like HF has adopted the auto manufacturers' approach where new models make the previous stuff incompatible or obsolete, like the 16" tires on my '87 Corvette. I broke the depth indicator on my 10" HF drill press and the replacement part isn't offered; I upgraded to a HF 12" drill press that has trouble turning any drill bit larger than a half inch through soft pine.

Harbor Freight offers that same drill press with their Bauer name on it but higher priced than the Wen. And their site compares the price of their drill press to the Grizzly version.

Amazon offers the Wen drill press as well as the even lower priced Vevor copy.
EBay has JET logo decals for less than $5 if you want an inexpensive upgrade. 🤣
Scott, I'm the kind of fool who won't spend the money to put a HEMI badge on my PT Cruiser but I certainly considered it.
@PugetDude
Funny you should mention decals!

On the main vise thread, whenever someone would post that they are restoring a so called Snap-On bullet vise and that since the Snap-On decal/tag was missing they were going to order one, often heated exchanges and accusations would start flying!

The so called Snap-on bullet vises which are really not even bullet vises are in fact Wilton tradesman vise!

Tradesman vises are much lower quality in all aspects including material than the real Witon bullet vises! And adding insult to injury, unlike real Witon bullet vises which are made in USA, I believe for many years now Tradsmans are made in Taiwan!

The same model under Snap-on costs nearly double that of Witon tradesman (plz see examples below where I picked to show the smallest model! The price pattern is the same for the larger version as well).

And that was the root of suspicion and accusations! Just paint your Witon Tradesman red or lime green and stick a Snap-On decal on it and you just doubled the value of your vise!

4 1/2” Snap-On vise

4 1/2” Wilton Tradesman vise


https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/wilton-tradesman-vises-now-made-in-taiwan.415904/
Scott, I believe a lot of US General boxes have Snap-On decals. If it makes one smile I guess it's OK.
Ms. Squankum has discovered that in our time of labor shortages, the wait for AAA can be very long! So why wait around for something simple you could.., you know, in theory... do yourself?
@Squankum, I don't think AAA has ever been a speedy solution but it's peace of mind for a lot of us. When one of the tires on our '78 Lincoln Town Car went flat, Liane thought she could swap the spare with no problem. Unfortunately she thought the aluminum wheel was a hubcap and didn't realize the chrome cap was hiding the lug nuts. She didn't (and still doesn't) carry a cell phone so she depended on the kindness of strangers to figure it out. I had to do some sanding and polishing on that rim.
1974 Fiat X19 & 1978 Lincoln Town Car.jpg
Few years back one of my colleagues at work who knew of my vise obsession, asked me if would be interested in buying a vise from his recently widowed sister for $50!

The back story was that her husband who was a mechanic, at age of 41 had suddenly died from heart attach and left her with two kids. And she had sold many of her late husband’s tools already (unfortunately, it sounded like at fire sale prices) and the vise was the last remaining tool.

I asked him if he has any photos of the vise, as depending on the brand, size and condition, the vise might be worth more or less. He then asked his sister to text me a couple photos. She texted me the first and second photos!! o_O


From the photos I could not tell if this was a 4 1/2” or 6 1/2” Snap-On vise but I told my colleague, this is a valuable vise and specially considering that your sister is a widow, I can not in good conscience buy it for $50. I also do not buy used tools at retail prices, so I would normally offer $100 but I rather cleanup and tidy up the vise and then she can listed for around $450 to $500 and it should sell quick.

He thanked me and said he will discuss this with his sister. The next day he brought the vise to work. It turned out to be the bigger more expensive 6 1/2” model.

https://shop.snapon.com/product/Mechanic's-Vises/Mechanic%26rsquo%3Bs-Vise-(6-1-2%22)/WV1765A

I normally would have stripped the vise to bare metal and painted it etc. But considering the fact that it was a Snap-On branded vise and its relation to Wilton, I thought painting it might raise suspicion as to its authenticity.

So I cleaned up the original paint as best I could, applied a clear coat to prevent rusting and polished all the none painted surfaces and lubricated the vise (third, fourth and fifth photos).

Unfortunately she listed the vise, if I remember correctly, for only around $400 and within a couple of hours someone bought it right away. But she still got a lot more than $50 that she was going to sell it for and that made me happy.
@gman007, I bought a new 4" Wilton vise but it's their budget model so I paid $47.99 for it. It has gone up a little since I bought it in 2016.

My most expensive vise is a 4-1/2" Craftsman Professional. It's the one I use for bending steel and aluminum, using my Grizzly vise brake. It's far superior to any vise I've owned in the past.
Craftsman Professional.jpg
My 'umble suggestion: color coding! Different colored whips is going too far ($) but some colored tape stripes, blue near tool, blue near coupler end, for example, could help with retrieving things. Or do it with Sharpies, one stripe, two stripe, etc etc.
@Squankum, that would have been the perfect solution a few decades ago. Today I need a decoder to figure out which color foam pad I need for the various car detailing steps. I didn't count the number of air tools in that drawer but I know I'd need a identification system that exceeds my mental bandwidth.
Bob - the HF air file is great in the right applications. I suspect anyone who picks it up is first struck by its weight, but that cast iron body is one of the secrets as the mass kills most of the vibration. I've used mine many times in making one off small parts with complicated shaped holes and curved edges.

The little air saw comes with some of the best small metal cutting blades, I've used them for cutting small steel stock. It's also really handy for cutting corrugated cardboard for use in CAD (cardboard assisted design).

The HF air powered band file is a screecher, I use my plastic Black and Decker all the time, the HF one mostly never..
Gerry, I'll have to give the air file another chance. I got used to the bandfiles' amazing ability to remove material fast so I'll try to remember its use on finer projects.
I only became aware of air files in the past year, seeing a YouTube video of a machinist using it to tap a broken stud in the right tangential direction to turn it loose. It was pretty neat, being used like a tiny, controllable air hammer.
OK, now I need to find a broken stud or maybe break one on purpose.
 
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I rarely used one of the computers in my office. It's a HP Compaq 8100 Elite Minitower running an Intel i7 processor and Windows 10 Home Edition. The term minitower is a little misleading because it's about 18-inches tall. I moved it to the garage and decided to hide it in one of the cabinets under the workbench. Of course that means the cabinet has to have airflow to prevent the PC from overheating. I drilled a 4" hole in the side of the cabinet near the floor in front.
HP 8100 in Garage 1.jpg
Drilled a second 4" hole high in the rear, along with 2" holes in the counter and cabinet side above the 4" hole in the rear so I can route cables from the wall and counter to the PC.
HP 8100 in Garage 2.jpg
I needed to connect the PC to the network, power, speakers and monitor so 5 cables running along the back of the counter. At least the keyboard and mouse are wireless. Thanks to Mike (@zmotorsports) I have split braid covers to organize the cables as you can see in the above and below pictures.
HP 8100 in Garage 3.jpg
I put a furring strip on the floor of the cabinet to maintain space between the PC and cabinet wall. I ordered a 4" muffin fan to extract hot air from the back of the cabinet. The fan will get its power from a USB port on the PC so it will only run when the PC is running.
 

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I had to do some sanding and polishing on that rim.
1974 Fiat X19 & 1978 Lincoln Town Car.jpg
We had a Marquis Estate with those Lincoln turbine wheels. Pretty, but heavy.

Your Fiat gives me bittersweet memories. I loved mine. It was my only friend for several years. It was a lovely reliable little skateboard. I redid the huge ugly bumpers into neat, trim, triangular wrap arounds. I dumped the flip flop headlights and installed an upside down steel copy of a Pontiac J car upper grille. I also redid the plastic lower wing over in steel. It was a grand ride for some years, until cancer ate it away, and I couldn't get the couple hard parts I needed. RIP little hotrod.
 
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Bob,
This is wrong! So wrong!
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Yeah, I just bought one and it's being delivered today....
Leonard, you're not the first to call me out but you are the first to post a picture of me with my bananas.
@Bob Heine
Much appreciate your replies and sharing your wisdom. Your replies are always educational and enlightening.

Cheers :beer:
@gman007, you are too kind. As my mental capacity declines I rely more and more on Google. While I am afraid of Artificial Intelligence, I suspect it will soon be my best friend,
We had a Marquis Estate with those Lincoln turbine wheels. Pretty, but heavy.

Your Fiat gives me bittersweet memories. I loved mine. It was my only friend for several years. It was a lovely reliable little skateboard. I redid the huge ugly bumpers into neat, trim, triangular wrap arounds. I dumped the flip flop headlights and installed an upside down steel copy of a Pontiac J car upper grille. I also redid the plastic lower wing over in steel. It was a grand ride for some years, until cancer ate it away, and I couldn't get the couple hard parts I needed. RIP little hotrod.
Kay, those boats were big enough to fit a small band in the event the entertainment system failed. That Town Car was equipped with every available option. In the case of the entertainment system it had the 8-track/Citizen Band radio rather than the cassette player.

I put a Class III hitch on the Lincoln so I could tow our boat. Got rid of the boat but didn't remove the hitch. It was a brilliant decision because I had a tow bar for the Fiat. When the Fiat caught on fire I was able to tow it home after I smothered the fire with a beach towel (everyone in Florida has a beach towel in their car).

I follow every Fiat X1/9 Bring A Trailer auction, hoping there aren't enough fans left but they have sold for $6,500 - $43,500 (big dollar cars have Honda K20 or 24 conversion). I paid $1,800 for my California car (the owner towed it behind his Blazer from California to Florida). It had 35,000 miles on it. We bought three more and the most expensive one was $2,000 (1980 Fuel Injected 1.5L 5-speed).
I have a feeling that there's a Birthday today or very soon.
Happy birthday Bob. 🎂🎈
Bob
Happy birthday indeed :beer: 🎂
Happy Birthday Bob!

In celebration of another trip around the sun for you, I bought the Wen 1/2 x 18" belt grinder...haven't used it yet but it's here
Happy birthday!
Happy Birthday Bob! 🎂
Happy Birthday, Friend.
Have a great one Bob!
Andrew, @gman007, Logan, @manwithtools, @zanyad, Alan,Leonard, and Scott: thank you so much for the birthday wishes. This one celebrates 80 trips around the sun so complete accuracy isn't an issue. My birth certificate indicates it's the 18th but I celebrate being alive every day.

Y'all aren't alone. One of my grandsons brought his family to our house for a visit on Saturday. His wife is Brazilian so they brought a Brigadeiro cake. Thankfully they didn't put 80 candles on the cake so I was able to blow out the 13 [HAPPY BIRTHDAY].
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Happy birthday Bob! 🍵

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Bob,
Happy Birthday!!!
I'm not so clever with the memes as others, but still. . . Happy Birthday.
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HBD, Bob - many happy returns!!
I thought your birthday was the 18th cause my father in law’s birthday is the 18th and he also celebrates his 80th years.

I’ll try to remember your birthday in 2 days. 😁
Happy Bday!
Bob, you ARE a Lucky man! What a great family you have. And I know that's not even all of them.
Not even close.....

:beer:
Happy Birthday Bob.
@Bob Heine I'll wish you a happy birthday only because my wife won't know. Her birthday is on the 18th and won't accept the fact that anyone else could possibly have a birthday on the same day. Sorry Bob, but you will need to move the date.... :ROFLMAO:
Happy Hippo Day!
I guess I get to wish you happy birthday again on Wednesday. 😆😆
The more times the merrier :beer:
Happy Birthday Bob, on the 18th.....have a near beer or two. Or not.
Happy Birthday Bob and many more!
I'm late but Happiest of Birthdays to you, Bob!
Dan, Jon, @Prospecter, Emil, Gary, Cody, Mike, Alan, Aaron, Mark, Kay, Andrew [again], @gman007, Fred, Dennis and Dan [again]: I'm a little overwhelmed. Thank you so much for all your posts.

@Prospecter, don't feel bad, I struggle with memes as well. Heck, I have trouble picking an emoji.

Emil, nice cake. I can almost taste the red velvet cake inside.

Cody, you are not wrong, my birthday is the 18th. Your father-in-law and I were born the day these were the big news stories:
  • Eindhoven liberated by 101st Airborne Division.
  • The Battle of Arracourt began near the French town of Arracourt.
  • The Japanese hell ship Jun'yō Maru was sunk off Sumatra by the British submarine Tradewind with the loss of 5,620 lives, the worst maritime disaster in history up to that time.
Alan and Dan, it's a mob scene when the family gets together. Even with one couple missing it's hard to get them all in frame...
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Mark, to preserve your bride's belief her day is unique, my Birthday Party has been moved to the Saturday before or after the 18th. Now you just have to convince Cody's father-in-law to move his as well.

Andrew and Dan, you realize this is unheard of. The majority of birthday wishes are belated so premature seems kinda special. It's probably a good idea when it's for an octogenarian. When my mother's dementia had gotten really bad, she kept asking if she was 100. She became so obsessed with living to that milestone we put a 100 candle on her cake when we celebrated her 95th. She didn't make it to 96 but I know she was at peace believing she achieved her goal.
 

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@Bob Heine I'll wish you a happy birthday only because my wife won't know. Her birthday is on the 18th and won't accept the fact that anyone else could possibly have a birthday on the same day. Sorry Bob, but you will need to move the date.... :ROFLMAO:
Sorry Mark, it has already been planned to have dinner at his house tomorrow with the only close family he has, which is me, my wife, two granddaughters, and his wife. So, maybe you can beat the number of people at her party? :ROFLMAO:
 
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