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jhinalabma

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I need a scanner / programmer / coder that has bidirectional function and the ability to program /code vehicle modules. For example if I replace a TPMS module, what scanner could handle the programming / coding? On a budget.

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I have no idea what its going to cost, I just don't want to buy the most expensive.
 

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I need a scanner / programmer / coder that has bidirectional function and the ability to program /code vehicle modules. For example if I replace a TPMS module, what scanner could handle the programming / coding? On a budget.

TIA

Module, the actual TPMS module in the vehicle? Or are you referring to the individual sensors in the wheels as modules?

If you mean replacing the actual module, you'd need one of two options. Service info may state if Programable Module Installation is possible. This ***** the data out of the old.module, awakens a pre set module with the correct software, or downloads it from the scan tool brand, and injects it into the replacement. This is not the common outcome. For most modules you would need a J2534 interface and a laptop with a subscription to the OEM software.

For a basic scan tool, with PMI and bidirectional, $750 is about as cheap as you're getting. If you plan to bypass gateways or do some types of coding, you will need an autoauth account and 50 bucks a year along with keeping the software current. In you're TPMS example you would need another tool to "chirp" and extract data about ID numbers from the sensors.

A J2534, TPMS programmer tool, and a full function scan tool is probably lying ~4k. 1500 for an autel with built in tpms tool/programmer, 2k for a J2534, plus your laptop and subscription costs. Individual brand j2534 like Mongoose can be had for sub 500. It's an expensive game.
 

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I came across this one today that I'm thinking of getting. I was wondering if anyone has used it.
It mentions TPMS reset along with some others, as well as no subscription fees.

I've used one of these for a few years part of my daily carry as I move vehicle to vehicle. But also purchased an Autel tablet reader a few months ago that I'm learning. Have an Autel TMPS/Remote coder reader that works well. Have just under $1k ti cover all those devices.

 

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Yeah I agree with 2ndgear. What your asking is really multiple tools, not just one. If your just looking to swap wheels and program sensors you can get a tpms tool that can put a vehicle into learn mode, some cars allow you to do it manually. They are available for 500 so. Autels can program Autel sensors only, but I've had good luck with them. You can get other brands of pre configured sensors that just need to be learned like VDO.

For a scan tool there's a lot of options, I would say Autel or topdon are going to get your the furthest for your money. They will get you codes, live data, a few configuration options, active tests on various solenoids. Maybe ome module installation but very dependent on make, model and module. Expect to drop a grand at least here.

If you want to do replacement modules then you'll need a J2534 passthrough device and laptop with the ability to purchase subscriptions for it. It will get you some OE level diagnostics depending on manufacturer.

There's also some tools that can do cloning of modules like obdstar and others but that is the bleeding edge of diag and programming.
 

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I need a scanner / programmer / coder that has bidirectional function and the ability to program /code vehicle modules. For example if I replace a TPMS module, what scanner could handle the programming / coding? On a budget.

TIA
Scanner - No problem
Programmer - Now you need to be specific as to WHAT you want to program, and for what vehicles
Coding - Again, you need to be specific as to what you want to code, and for which vehicles.

A basic scanner can be had for $10...
When you get into coding and programming that's when you spend the big $$, and need to understand what you're doing so that you reduce the chance of bricking a module. And if you DO brick a module, you need to understand how to bring it back. Additionally, for SOME of the programming you might even need to solder wires onto an SMD component, or remove and flash an eeprom... so you need to be familiar with electronics at an intermediate level when you start to get into real programming.

Either way - a basic Scanner is $10. Coding... let's toss out a random number of $600 ... and Programming various modules you can easily hit $4,000 to $7,000 - especially when you talk about programming keys for various vehicle makes/models, using the 'industry standard' tools (vs. the Aliexpress clones)
 

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For OP give us an idea what you plan on doing. What kind of vehicle and what kind of jobs are you anticipating, maybe we can better recommend what tool is required.
 
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I bought an Autel MP808P for about $750 a few years ago and can't tell you how many times I was surprised by its capabilities. It's an outdated model now and think price has dropped to about $600. You can buy the same scanner for slightly more that includes TPMS. They also sell a Blue Tooth model that loses the wire.

I'm not a pro though and have only used it on a handful of personal and friend's vehicles. Some of the things it has handled for me.

* Reset airbag module and seat calibration after replacing six airbags and three seat belts 2006 Mercedes E350

* Recalibrate cam/crank correlation after engine replacement same Mercedes

* Put Bosch ABS module into service mode to replace pressure accumulator same Mercedes

* Delete cellular Teleaid module after system was retired by manufacturer same Mercedes

* Swap and program ABS module with As Built data 2007 Ford F150

* Correct problem with fuel tank vent valve / emissions issue Ford F150

* Replace and initialize Transmission Control Module 2013 Chrysler 300

* Diagnose and replace numerous sensors/modules Mercedes/Ford/BMW/Chrysler/Jeep/Honda.

The only vehicle I had an issue with was late model Honda would not connect to vehicle but so far it's handled 85% of issues I've had. Only complaint with it is it loads very slow (but works great once up and running). I bought a separate TPMS tool and needed an Oscilloscope for a very complicated variable timing issue with 2010 BMW.
 

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I bought an Autel MP808P for about $750 a few years ago and can't tell you how many times I was surprised by its capabilities. It's an outdated model now and think price has dropped to about $600. You can buy the same scanner for slightly more that includes TPMS. They also sell a Blue Tooth model that loses the wire.

I'm not a pro though and have only used it on a handful of personal and friend's vehicles. Some of the things it has handled for me.

* Reset airbag module and seat calibration after replacing six airbags and three seat belts 2006 Mercedes E350

* Recalibrate cam/crank correlation after engine replacement same Mercedes

* Put Bosch ABS module into service mode to replace pressure accumulator same Mercedes

* Delete cellular Teleaid module after system was retired by manufacturer same Mercedes

* Swap and program ABS module with As Built data 2007 Ford F150

* Correct problem with fuel tank vent valve / emissions issue Ford F150

* Replace and initialize Transmission Control Module 2013 Chrysler 300

* Diagnose and replace numerous sensors/modules Mercedes/Ford/BMW/Chrysler/Jeep/Honda.

The only vehicle I had an issue with was late model Honda would not connect to vehicle but so far it's handled 85% of issues I've had. Only complaint with it is it loads very slow (but works great once up and running). I bought a separate TPMS tool and needed an Oscilloscope for a very complicated variable timing issue with 2010 BMW.
@cgrutt

I'm looking at the Black friday sales on Autel stuff, and I'm itching to pull the trigger.
I was wondering, how much stuff dies if you don't extend your subscription? I'm looking at the 900 series, and I don't work on anything beyond 2017 or so.
 

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@cgrutt

I'm looking at the Black friday sales on Autel stuff, and I'm itching to pull the trigger.
I was wondering, how much stuff dies if you don't extend your subscription? I'm looking at the 900 series, and I don't work on anything beyond 2017 or so.
Yeah you only get a year on subscription but I didn't extend it. We just replaced TCM in my buddy's Chrysler about a week ago and he commented how he loves that the tool works without a live connection. I just updated all the common brands before my subscription expired. It asks you if you want to renew everytime you use it but just click out and it works fine. My buddy is trying to get me to upgrade so he can buy this one from me lol.
 

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as long as your questions are all "who is paying Ivan".
I know Ivan personally, and yes, like all of us, he's a commercial *****, but he doesn't sell out. What he recommends typically always does what he claims it does. He's just made an arrangement with Topdon, which he openly stated at the start off the video. Ivan is as straight of an arrow as there is and he's one super smart dude.
 

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I was just going to say I would get the scanner that Ivan recommended for a specific task whichever scanner that is. You beat me to it Dennis.
Yep, I follow Ivan, but the Autel I'm getting is more in line with the stuff I do at the moment.
 

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Yep, I follow Ivan, but the Autel I'm getting is more in line with the stuff I do at the moment.
When watching his videos, often times a specific scanner will program something that his other scanners won't do. It depends on what it is that needs programming.
 

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I know Ivan personally, and yes, like all of us, he's a commercial *****, but he doesn't sell out. What he recommends typically always does what he claims it does. He's just made an arrangement with Topdon, which he openly stated at the start off the video. Ivan is as straight of an arrow as there is and he's one super smart dude.



stipulating that that's all true, it still doesn't tell us if there's something better from someone who isn't paying him (and like most youtube people, he doesn't disclose who is paying him very well.) (I own a topdon scan tool. it's done all the things I have wanted it to do, except for one thing that it doesn't claim to do. I've used autels, and they've mostly worked pretty well. ) There are other players in the market, and it's entirely possible that some of them are better choices. You'd never they know they exist. None of this is a dig at Ivan personally (I don't really like his videos, but he's pretty good at figuring out what's wrong with cars), it's a complaint about youtube (etc) reviews, in general, and I consider them pretty worthless as a result.
 

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stipulating that that's all true, it still doesn't tell us if there's something better from someone who isn't paying him (and like most youtube people, he doesn't disclose who is paying him very well.) (I own a topdon scan tool. it's done all the things I have wanted it to do, except for one thing that it doesn't claim to do. I've used autels, and they've mostly worked pretty well. ) There are other players in the market, and it's entirely possible that some of them are better choices. You'd never they know they exist. None of this is a dig at Ivan personally (I don't really like his videos, but he's pretty good at figuring out what's wrong with cars), it's a complaint about youtube (etc) reviews, in general, and I consider them pretty worthless as a result.
Well he talked about Thinktool, Launch, Autel and Topdon. That about covers the entire market. If he showed preference to any brand it surely wasn't obvious to me. Personally, I like Launch. Ivan has his fingers on the scanner market because he's close friends with Keith DeFazio, who I met at Automechanika in Chicago, who is on top of the scanner market and is considered to be a diagnostic god among his peers. He isn't up there with Bernie Thompson, who routinely walks on water, but he's not far behind.
 
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stipulating that that's all true, it still doesn't tell us if there's something better from someone who isn't paying him (and like most youtube people, he doesn't disclose who is paying him very well.) (I own a topdon scan tool. it's done all the things I have wanted it to do, except for one thing that it doesn't claim to do. I've used autels, and they've mostly worked pretty well. ) There are other players in the market, and it's entirely possible that some of them are better choices. You'd never they know they exist. None of this is a dig at Ivan personally (I don't really like his videos, but he's pretty good at figuring out what's wrong with cars), it's a complaint about youtube (etc) reviews, in general, and I consider them pretty worthless as a result.

Ivan is talking specifically about generic global Chinese scantools in the sub $1000 range that give the best bang for the buck on sale via Amazon in these Black Friday sale videos.

It's more of a round up of good deals for guys like me willing to take the risk (which isn't so risky after all) of buying from Amazon.

I like the technical content of Ivan's videos and the fact that they aren't just super slick High Definition over produced adverts, he actually fixes cars with the products he recommends much like SMA and New Level Auto.

I don't begrudge any YouTuber building a commercial relationship with a tool supplier as long as the channel stays relevant, I like technical content and tools

Bernie Thompson is a fantastic technician and teacher but he is selling his own product at the end of the day 👍
 

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Ivan is talking specifically about generic global Chinese scantools in the sub $1000 range that give the best bang for the buck on sale via Amazon in these Black Friday sale videos.

It's more of a round up of good deals for guys like me willing to take the risk (which isn't so risky after all) of buying from Amazon.

I like the technical content of Ivan's videos and the fact that they aren't just super slick High Definition over produced adverts, he actually fixes cars with the products he recommends much like SMA and New Level Auto.

I don't begrudge any YouTuber building a commercial relationship with a tool supplier as long as the channel stays relevant, I like technical content and tools

Bernie Thompson is a fantastic technician and teacher but he is selling his own product at the end of the day 👍
Exactly! He doesnt show any specialized tools at all - for example: key programming tools like Xhorse VVDI, ECU chip tuning tools like Alientech KESS3, Odometer correction tools like the Yanhua Digimaster 3,... etc etc etc
 
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