More great points from everyone! Just a few comments I wanted to reply to
I have a Matco 36" that I've broken the gear / pawls on multiple times. I'm gonna try and scoop up one of the locking flex head Icons during the black friday sale.
Any thought to a Platinum Tech 99682? It's a non locking 24" flex head, but also has another 20" handle that attaches to it. They claim it's rated to 700ft lbs. I don't personally have one but it's on my list of wants.
1/2" Drive Super Strong Flex Head I-Beam Ratchet Set - PLT-99682
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Appreciate the input from a fellow HD mechanic. I’m a sucker for weird tools and if this were a little less expensive, I’d probably order it now. I see they limit the flex head to 15deg either way, which is honestly pretty smart given the forces it’s expected to see. They tout the I-beam handle design as being able to allow the handle to flex, which I thought was a translation error, but the photo seems to confirm it:
Still, it’s oddball enough to pique my curiousity. I’ve also added to my list of wants.
Do you have a reason why head size is a factor for you? As I'm sure you know, I have and love the Snap On SHLF80A. The size of its head has never once been an issue for me. For me, it's probably the use case. I use this ratchet:
1) a lot
2) for pretty specific jobs, none of which require small head sizes.
My recommendations:
1) skip the head size as a comparator. Add the handle/grip you like. I personally like the Snap On soft grip, especially for this ratchet. If you love the Matco grip, maybe factor that in.
2) The quality of the flex is the other thing you should be factoring. I assume you didn't mention it because both are excellent. You don't want a floppy head on this tool. Locking flex would be a deal killer for me.
3) Would you consider a >30" ratchet? Looks like Matco makes one. Would that be a better choice for you? Feel like the 26" SHLF80A might be the standard length ratchet for semi's! I guess that means 18" would be the stubby! For passenger cars/light trucks etc, my 26" ratchet is long enough.
Head size is not a dealbreaker and unlikely to be a factor but all else equal, a thinner head is better. In practice, a thinner head may be less strong or have other issues, to which people have alluded.
>24” seems impractical, and I’d like to cover my bases with a two-footer first. Maybe one day I’ll truly have the need for something bigger….
The nice thing about the heavy duty stuff is that the big fasteners are seldom inaccessible with an impact. Some things aren’t supposed to be removed/fastened with an impact, and that’s where a big ratchet would be nice. Wheel bearings are a prime example. They are retained with a ~2+” jamb nut that’s torqued to 300-400ft lbs. The sockets are these stamped steel things that don’t old up to an Impact. More importantly, using an impact risks damaging the bearings (brinelling if I remember correctly from class). Engine work is another example, even though I’m a few years out from that.
If literally stuck choosing between those 2, Snap on all the way. If you can think outside of those 2, this would be my first choice…
Ah,thank you .. I love the out of the box suggestions. The Cornwell has certainly entered the running.
You’re local to me. We have Snappy trucks everywhere BUT I have found three Matco trucks now just outside of the route I’m on. So they are definitely going strong here. I know Matco is having its problems and that everyone loves to bag on them but a lot of that is from the older pawl designs and the Covid supply issues. Personally, I prefer the Matco chrome and comfort grip handles. The Snap-on handles are very fat and squishy. The only benefit to the Snap-on comfort handle is that dealers will just replace the handle while Matco gives you a new ratchet. The Matco ratchets are much easier to service. I also find that while the Matco is more crunchy sounding and less smooth than the Snap-on, the gearing isn’t as fickle when I’m applying an uneven force on the ratchet. All of my Dual80 ratchets get exceptionally crunchy when I’m ratcheting at weird angles. Matco ratchets, probably due to the single pawl, do not do that. I’d recommend the Matco ratchet over the Snap-on and I know that I’m in the minority on that. I just think that the Dual80s are overrated.
Matco corporate ***** though. Like I cannot stand calling them because it’s so difficult to reach someone. It sounds like they are going through some changes so maybe that is why their corporate service *****?
I should mention that I want chrome handle so the soft grip isn’t a factor. Your other points are noted, and I’m glad you mentioned the bolded, as that’s something I’ve seen brought up a few times before. I only know two people with the Matco 1/2” ratchets but they’ve never mentioned any issues….of course, neither have the guys with the Snappy 1/2” ratchets.
I just don’t get why everyone thinks they need a 24” ratchet? I worked on farm and heavy equipment most all my life and never had a 24” ratchet. Learned to loosen tight fasteners with breaker bars…( hence the name) and finished removing with a ratchet. Why destroy a very expensive tool just to save a few seconds or get hurt because the ratchet failed. I made a great living as a journeyman field mechanic for over 35 years without any super long ratchet. And no I didn’t put cheater pipes on ratchets. Chew on that for a while….
I’m not above using a breaker bar and I don’t think I NEED a 24” ratchet but if a breaker bar and a ratchet have the same strength and both break at the anvil, why opt for the breaker bar? In reality, there are use cases for a breaker bar still, but I’d like a 24” ratchet first.
Because… with enough leverage, you can move the world. I totally came up with that… trademark me…
I would rather hurt or wear out a tool than my body.
This whole thread is academic. Unless you are some kind of supercar mechanic where every part is thousands of dollars… you are probably grabbing an impact.
The math is on your side with a longer ratchet or breaker bar. The longer the tool, the less work to get the hardware to start moving.
Yes, I’m finding myself pulling from awkward angles, maybe with only a few fingers because that’s all I can get on the ratchet, and the extra leverage from an XL ratchet means that I’m putting less stress on my body. I feel surprisingly fresh for a 37 year old tradesman but I know things don’t get any easier with time. I hope to do this for 20+ years and still be limber enough to enjoy my retirement (if I get one!), and that’s where things like XL ratchets come in.