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Mike,

If you ever feel like sharing, I'd love to see what kind of body hammers, dollies, etc. you've got - Homemade tools too.

We focus on a lot of auto-body and rust repair at our shop and I always like to see what the experts are equipped with - I've got a good selection of Martin, PLVMB, Indestro, etc. hammers and dollies that I've picked up over the years, but always like to see what other guys are working with.

I know you aren't too keen on doing bodywork, but I'd love to see what you have at your disposal when the situation calls for it.

Getting really into the Auto-Body zone right now.. Speaking of trailers and a trailer build, that's what I'm about to start on. See below - We are going to be fixing up this ECONOLINE pickup bed into a trailer that we will pull behind the Econoline that we built about 8 years ago.

Sorry to hog up your thread, but just wanted to share and see if you're willing to give us a peak in the autobody drawer!


These next couple posts will be rather picture heavy as I snapped some pictures for @pancholasvegas as he inquired about the tools I use for body work. I didn't show any of the larger shop equipment nor my painting equipment, but most of those can be seen in great detail throughout this thread as I have performed repairs to my son's and my vehicles over the years.

My hand tools are well used and not exactly highly polished like Robert's aka @MP&C are, but they still work when the need arises.


I have an old sandbag and a couple of teardrop style forming hammers and panel shaping mallets that are buried in my large bottom drawer.
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My body hammer drawer is stuffed with a variety of Eastwood, Proto, Snap-on and some Cornwell tools that I acquired nearly 4 decades ago. Most of these body tools were purchased back in the late 80's and throughout the 90's when I was doing quite a bit of custom work as well as some general paint and body repairs, even some insurance work in the late 90's once I opened my speed shop.
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T-dollies were shop made.
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Dollies are a mix of brands and shapes.
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Panel bonding tools that work well to **** join panels and hold them in place for tacking. Also a profile gauge standing up along the side of the drawer.
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This is one of my oldest tools, just a standard old cheapy blowgun that I silver soldered a length of curved brake line into for cooling spot welds.
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One of my body spoons.
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These are probably my newest tools and they are about 5 or so years old. These are used for panel separating and can slide between inner panels and outer skins then driven along to break the edge seal after drilling out spot welds.
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Cornwell *******.
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Various body hammers of all shapes and sizes. The two wood-handled Snap-on's are probably my favorite and one of those are the most common to reach for when doing body work.
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Stay tuned for more.
 
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Continuing on.

This is my favorite body hammer and the one I will reach for first.
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Couple more Snap-on body hammers with larger heads.
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Couple more dollies, including one with a handle and a long reach one. The long reach one actually works quite well for reaching up through taillight holes and such to reach into a panel for straightening.
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Lead shot bag that works like a dolly but is slightly formable.
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This is an old and was a very expensive tool back when I purchased it. It has a rotating head with one set of jaws for panel flanging and the other for hole punching for plug welds. I bought this back before I really knew any better and thought the "easiest" way to join two panels was flanging one, but I quickly learned that was NOT the way to do it as it never turned out right. I still use the hole punch but I can't tell you the last time I flanged a panel. I always **** weld my panels now followed by planishing or hammer & doly work after welding.
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Hope those are what you had in mind.

Thanks for following along.
 
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Last night I was able to get a couple of the valves installed on our coach. I hope the other three arrive later today so I can wrap up the rear air tank and get started on the front air tank valves. Then I need to find time to tackle the supplemental braking air tank, brake relay and associated air lines.

Parts, supplies and tools selected and prepared.
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Everything placed under the coach so they will be within reach once I crawl underneath.
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Pressure Control Check valve installed and the one PPV valve that I had on hand installed. Once the fittings were installed and correctly orientated, the air lines were snipped off a bit at the end to ensure they would ride on a fresh sealing area of the air line.
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I grabbed one wrong 45-degree fitting the other night at Fleetpride, I grabbed a 1/2" NPT to 1/2" air line but actually I needed a 3/8" NPT to 3/8" air line 45-degree instead. Once I exchange that fitting and grab the remaining PPV valves that I ordered, I can wrap up the rear air tank work.

Thanks for looking.
 

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Thom, just FYI, I am using the correct DOT fittings and these have the internal sleeve.
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AH!! I couldn't see the ferrules in the earlier picture. I wasn't intending to be the Fittings Police, sorry if it came across that way. Since I couldn't see them I didn't know if these fittings were known to you. I had to learn about them on my own. Switching to them and the DOT tubing has been a game changer for my simple OBA systems. The stuff that I was using was fine in an industrial setting, but did not work well in a vehicular setting.
 
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AH!! I couldn't see the ferrules in the earlier picture. I wasn't intending to be the Fittings Police, sorry if it came across that way. Since I couldn't see them I didn't know if these fittings were known to you. I had to learn about them on my own. Switching to them and the DOT tubing has been a game changer for my simple OBA systems. The stuff that I was using was fine in an industrial setting, but did not work well in a vehicular setting.

No worries Thom, unfortunately I have quite a bit of experience with air leaks working on heavy truck (OTR) at work and then the RV industry which has their fair share of issues.

I get my chops busted quite a bit over fitting choices because I personally don't think there is a one size fits all choice. While my preference is compression style of fittings for air lines, they are not always what I use due to the confined spaces that they put some of these valves and various components, in RV's in particular. When access allows, I prefer compression fittings, however, when space is limited, as it often is on these RV's, and you have to reach up with only one hand to remove and install an airline, compression fittings are less than convenient. Therefore, in those areas I do use PTC (Push To Connect) fittings, but only the brass DOT fittings and only where access is limited preventing the use of compression style of fittings.

The key points to remember when using PTC fittings is that they don't like to have a bend begin immediately out of the fitting and I don't like to reuse any that are older than a couple of years. When a tight radius bend is needed or length prevents a few inches of straight line coming out of a fitting, I try to use a compression style fitting, or better yet, add some length to the line to create a larger radius and more gradual transition. The PTC fittings get a bad rap on some of the RV forums, but I think it is mostly due to the people using them don't follow those simple guidelines as I see many people having tight bends starting right out of the fitting and then blaming the fitting when it leaks.
 

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Thank you VERY much for the kind words. I appreciate them more than you know. I despise drama, in real life or screened, so you won't find any of that on my channel.

I've been struggling lately to find the drive to make videos because it seems like I just get hammered from the keyboard warriors on nearly everything I do. They will tell me there are quicker or easier ways to do a task, but still want to argue when I explain why I do things the way I do. I try to answer any questions that I can when people post to my YouTube channel, but I won't get drawn into their drama so if someone posts a negative comment or wants to argue with one of my processes, I simply don't respond.

Seems like lately, people just want quick answers. They don't like my explaining on the reasoning behind certain processes or the way I do things, they just want the quick answer to whatever their problem is and if they would watch the video(s) with an open mind and pay attention rather than just skimming through them, they would learn to actually think for themselves and actually answer some, if not all, of their own questions. Lately I have gotten a LOT of comments from people on either my Duramax turbo rebuild video or the GM High Feature timing job I did. They have a lot of questions and say they did the job "exactly like I did and now they have problems". I don't know what to tell them other than they missed something or didn't do it exactly the way I did. :dunno:

I don't have a lot of subscribers to my YouTube channel, but that's ok. I don't necessarily have my channel for the clicks or views; I genuinely want to help people do better work and continuously improve upon their skillset as well as I want to get better and sometimes by explaining a process or procedure, I actually learn more hearing it explained out loud. I think some of the negativity lately stems from the fact that I am just not giving the viewers what they want, quick down and dirty answers.

That being said, I've had a hard time getting motivated to make videos lately because it seems they aren't appreciated and therefore the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I've been quite busy in the shop and there have been quite a few times I think to myself that I should record this and post it, but then just crank up the radio and ignore my thoughts of recording. I have not been active on Instagram nor FB for several months now either and have had people reach out to my wife asking if everything is ok. I generally will post up pictures of our road trips and adventures for our RV friends to see where we are going and what we are doing but that group is shrinking fast as friends are either hanging up the keys to their RV and Jeeps or they are passing. In the past I would also post pictures to Instagram of various projects, but haven't even posted anything there for several months now. Garage Journal is really the only place I am active these days as even a couple of the RV forums that have been very active on in the past, I have refrained due to the caliber of people joining and asking questions that don't want to think for themselves. There are some good folks on a Monaco forum that I belong to, but the others are just the same type of people that buy an RV they know nothing about and then after the purchase they need answers that should have been addressed or asked before spending the money.

Sorry for the rant @CGarage , but I really do appreciate you following along on my YouTube channel as well as my antics here. Thank you.

Mike, I have watched a lot of your videos. Even ones that aren't related to anything I'm doing. Simply because I watch for all those details and pick up those little details that transfer to other tasks. Take your homemade hammer for example. I don't plan on rebuilding RCV axles anytime soon but since CGarage pointed it out I watched it to see the hammer and how you used it. A fairly simple tool that I can see using in various tasks, not related to RCV axles. It's the little details like that which I pick up when watching your videos.

I think deep down everybody wants the quick and easy fixes, if everything in life went easy it would be nice. But things don't go that way. I know myself, I learn different than most others I have met. My brain doesn't do quick and easy, I don't know how to just be like do this, this, and that. I have to know why and how and what it will do. So I learn a lot slower then the average person I have found, mainly from overthinking everything. But in the end I will understand the whole process, where those that just learn by do this, that, and this may not understand why you are doing it and what the end result of doing that will be. So one little hi-cup and they are stuck.

I noticed this when I worked in a factory where you moved up based on seniority and not skills. There were some good operators that could keep the machines going for the most part. I would ask them about a fix and why they did what they did to fix the issue. Their answer was always "I don't know, that's the way I was taught to do it when that happens when I was trained 20 years ago". So they knew repetition and that was it. If that didn't fix it they may have a few other things they learned over the years but after that ran out they were lost. When we got a new machine in that was new technology we all had to learn from scratch. I came in for extra training with the manufacturer on my off time. It took me longer to learn the basics, others learned if it does this then do that. Where I don't learn that way. I have to know why it's doing that and what doing this or that will do. I noticed most others didn't care to know why they were doing something to fix the issue, they just knew that if it's doing this then change that and hopefully it works. I see this a lot in life from other people and it works most of the time but as soon as it doesn't work they are dead in the water. But if you know how it works and why moving this or that will do what it does you can figure issues out a lot better.

The internet is an interesting place since you don't really know much about the person on the other end. I watch youtube videos of repairs I haven't done yet when I need to do that repair. But I don't take it as the right or best way to do the repair most times. Just to get an overview of the job and see if there is anything I may run into so I can be prepared. Same with reading stuff on google, I'll read stuff on forums and other places about repairs but I don't take what I find as the Gospel. Just take in everything I read and form my own opinion.

I wouldn't let those negative comments on your videos get to you Mike. You are putting yourself out there to anyone and everyone and you will get all kinds of people commenting and you have no way to know the skill level of those commenting. Could be a guy that has a fisher price socket set and a 20 dollar OBD code reader that changed his first set of brakes yesterday and now thinks he knows everything about fixing cars. Keep posting whatever you want and ignore the negativity and engage with those posting legitimate questions and comments. I don't let things people I don't know anything about bother me. If I know the person and their skill/knowledge/personality then a comment means a lot more. Some random guy on the internet that I don't know if he is a master technician or a 12 year old kid posting something negative doesn't mean anything to me.

Another thing of mine is I will engage with others online but in the end I won't keep arguing with them if it goes from discussion to an argument. I've learned over the years that most of the time I'm not going to change the other person's thinking and that is fine. I use the same way of thinking when a political conversation comes up with friends or family. Most aren't capable of having a friendly discussion, they want to change your way of thinking. But if you go into it with the intent to have a good discussion and realize that I don't have to change your mind and you don't have to change my mind then you can have a good discussion without arguing. But most just want to prove you're opinion is wrong and don't understand that there can be more then one opinion.

Anyway, I enjoy your content, videos and posts and have learned more then you could know. So please keep posting content and don't worry about those random people online who think they know everything. They already know everything so no reason to help or engage with them. LOL
 

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Thank you VERY much for the kind words. I appreciate them more than you know. I despise drama, in real life or screened, so you won't find any of that on my channel.

I've been struggling lately to find the drive to make videos because it seems like I just get hammered from the keyboard warriors on nearly everything I do. They will tell me there are quicker or easier ways to do a task, but still want to argue when I explain why I do things the way I do. I try to answer any questions that I can when people post to my YouTube channel, but I won't get drawn into their drama so if someone posts a negative comment or wants to argue with one of my processes, I simply don't respond.

Seems like lately, people just want quick answers. They don't like my explaining on the reasoning behind certain processes or the way I do things, they just want the quick answer to whatever their problem is and if they would watch the video(s) with an open mind and pay attention rather than just skimming through them, they would learn to actually think for themselves and actually answer some, if not all, of their own questions. Lately I have gotten a LOT of comments from people on either my Duramax turbo rebuild video or the GM High Feature timing job I did. They have a lot of questions and say they did the job "exactly like I did and now they have problems". I don't know what to tell them other than they missed something or didn't do it exactly the way I did. :dunno:

I don't have a lot of subscribers to my YouTube channel, but that's ok. I don't necessarily have my channel for the clicks or views; I genuinely want to help people do better work and continuously improve upon their skillset as well as I want to get better and sometimes by explaining a process or procedure, I actually learn more hearing it explained out loud. I think some of the negativity lately stems from the fact that I am just not giving the viewers what they want, quick down and dirty answers.

That being said, I've had a hard time getting motivated to make videos lately because it seems they aren't appreciated and therefore the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I've been quite busy in the shop and there have been quite a few times I think to myself that I should record this and post it, but then just crank up the radio and ignore my thoughts of recording. I have not been active on Instagram nor FB for several months now either and have had people reach out to my wife asking if everything is ok. I generally will post up pictures of our road trips and adventures for our RV friends to see where we are going and what we are doing but that group is shrinking fast as friends are either hanging up the keys to their RV and Jeeps or they are passing. In the past I would also post pictures to Instagram of various projects, but haven't even posted anything there for several months now. Garage Journal is really the only place I am active these days as even a couple of the RV forums that have been very active on in the past, I have refrained due to the caliber of people joining and asking questions that don't want to think for themselves. There are some good folks on a Monaco forum that I belong to, but the others are just the same type of people that buy an RV they know nothing about and then after the purchase they need answers that should have been addressed or asked before spending the money.

Sorry for the rant @CGarage , but I really do appreciate you following along on my YouTube channel as well as my antics here. Thank you.
Mike, there are and always have been idiots everywhere, but the internet just gives them a platform to validate their idiocy.
Ignore the buffoons, pundits, and naysyers on YT. Your content is much appreciated here. (....even if you are wrong most of the time.🤣)
 
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Mike, I have watched a lot of your videos. Even ones that aren't related to anything I'm doing. Simply because I watch for all those details and pick up those little details that transfer to other tasks. Take your homemade hammer for example. I don't plan on rebuilding RCV axles anytime soon but since CGarage pointed it out I watched it to see the hammer and how you used it. A fairly simple tool that I can see using in various tasks, not related to RCV axles. It's the little details like that which I pick up when watching your videos.

I think deep down everybody wants the quick and easy fixes, if everything in life went easy it would be nice. But things don't go that way. I know myself, I learn different than most others I have met. My brain doesn't do quick and easy, I don't know how to just be like do this, this, and that. I have to know why and how and what it will do. So I learn a lot slower then the average person I have found, mainly from overthinking everything. But in the end I will understand the whole process, where those that just learn by do this, that, and this may not understand why you are doing it and what the end result of doing that will be. So one little hi-cup and they are stuck.

I noticed this when I worked in a factory where you moved up based on seniority and not skills. There were some good operators that could keep the machines going for the most part. I would ask them about a fix and why they did what they did to fix the issue. Their answer was always "I don't know, that's the way I was taught to do it when that happens when I was trained 20 years ago". So they knew repetition and that was it. If that didn't fix it they may have a few other things they learned over the years but after that ran out they were lost. When we got a new machine in that was new technology we all had to learn from scratch. I came in for extra training with the manufacturer on my off time. It took me longer to learn the basics, others learned if it does this then do that. Where I don't learn that way. I have to know why it's doing that and what doing this or that will do. I noticed most others didn't care to know why they were doing something to fix the issue, they just knew that if it's doing this then change that and hopefully it works. I see this a lot in life from other people and it works most of the time but as soon as it doesn't work they are dead in the water. But if you know how it works and why moving this or that will do what it does you can figure issues out a lot better.

The internet is an interesting place since you don't really know much about the person on the other end. I watch youtube videos of repairs I haven't done yet when I need to do that repair. But I don't take it as the right or best way to do the repair most times. Just to get an overview of the job and see if there is anything I may run into so I can be prepared. Same with reading stuff on google, I'll read stuff on forums and other places about repairs but I don't take what I find as the Gospel. Just take in everything I read and form my own opinion.

I wouldn't let those negative comments on your videos get to you Mike. You are putting yourself out there to anyone and everyone and you will get all kinds of people commenting and you have no way to know the skill level of those commenting. Could be a guy that has a fisher price socket set and a 20 dollar OBD code reader that changed his first set of brakes yesterday and now thinks he knows everything about fixing cars. Keep posting whatever you want and ignore the negativity and engage with those posting legitimate questions and comments. I don't let things people I don't know anything about bother me. If I know the person and their skill/knowledge/personality then a comment means a lot more. Some random guy on the internet that I don't know if he is a master technician or a 12 year old kid posting something negative doesn't mean anything to me.

Another thing of mine is I will engage with others online but in the end I won't keep arguing with them if it goes from discussion to an argument. I've learned over the years that most of the time I'm not going to change the other person's thinking and that is fine. I use the same way of thinking when a political conversation comes up with friends or family. Most aren't capable of having a friendly discussion, they want to change your way of thinking. But if you go into it with the intent to have a good discussion and realize that I don't have to change your mind and you don't have to change my mind then you can have a good discussion without arguing. But most just want to prove you're opinion is wrong and don't understand that there can be more then one opinion.

Anyway, I enjoy your content, videos and posts and have learned more then you could know. So please keep posting content and don't worry about those random people online who think they know everything. They already know everything so no reason to help or engage with them. LOL

Scott, you touched on quite a bit there that mirrors my own thinking and opinions.

I don't learn merely by watching someone do something nor even reading about how to do something, I have to have my own hands on whatever it is in order to fully comprehend what is taking place. I also HAVE to know the why behind things. When I first started as an Industrial Maintenance Mechanic, my boss at the time, who also turned out to be my mentor and hands down one of the best mechanics I have ever known, explained to me one day that knowing the sequence of operation and the reason why something works is much more valuable than merely replacing a part and hoping you fixed it. Many of my coworkers at that time were good at replacing a certain part when a certain piece of equipment faulted in a certain way. They did it out of habit and not out of knowing the "why" behind the repair.

I convinced myself early on that I was not going to be a "parts changer" and actually learn how things worked so I could do my own diagnosis and troubleshooting. When we purchased new equipment, many of my coworkers would walk away and not even look at anything new, whereas myself and maybe two others would grab tools, open up the cabinets and dive into looking at the changes and comparing them to the older versions. Then the FSM's would come out and many times I would bring a manual or two home for light reading just to become familiar with the new asset. Most of my coworkers wouldn't even look at the new assets because they were "under warranty" for the first while. That wasn't my mindset, I wanted to familiarize myself with the new assets before the warranty ran out and often times when that warranty work was being performed, I was standing over the mechanic's shoulders watching and asking questions. What I also found quite often was that the factory personnel were also learning in real time and seldom where they trained prior to coming to our facility. There were more than a few times I would get phone calls from some of the factory mechanics whom I had gotten to know asking me questions because they were at another facility and ran across something they hadn't seen before and they knew we had the same piece of equipment. I actually liked that "networking" of others in my field and I learned a lot in those years.

When I started my YouTube channel I made a commitment to myself, I wanted to continue that same thought process because unfortunately, what I was seeing on the internet was a lot of erroneous information being continuously repeated and a lot of shoddy workmanship. Now, I'm not saying I know everything and there are a lot of things I don't respond to if I have no firsthand knowledge of, but in those areas I have knowledge of, I like to share it with others as well as "networking" so that I can continue to learn as well as help others. I would say hands down the vast majority of the negative comments on my videos share one theme, the people say I talk too much and I should just get to the repairs and not explain the operation. To those viewers I simply tell them that maybe my channel is not for them as I don't do "quick and easy" repairs, I explain the why behind them in hopes that they can improve their skillset.

I also see so much negativity around the whole mechanic/technician field right now and from fairly young people. I don't know where this feeling of entitlement comes from but my intent is to explain that being a mechanic is not an easy field, but it can be a very rewarding one and one where a person can provide for their family and create a nice life for themselves. But again, it's not quick and it's not easy, a person has to be in it for the long run and there are no shortcuts. This is a field that is more liken to a marathon rather than a sprint and a person must look way down the road in terms of where they want to be and how good of a mechanic they want to become because if they are solely in it for quick money or something to "try" that is different, they are in for a rude awakening.
 

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Thank you VERY much for the kind words. I appreciate them more than you know. I despise drama, in real life or screened, so you won't find any of that on my channel.

I've been struggling lately to find the drive to make videos because it seems like I just get hammered from the keyboard warriors on nearly everything I do. They will tell me there are quicker or easier ways to do a task, but still want to argue when I explain why I do things the way I do. I try to answer any questions that I can when people post to my YouTube channel, but I won't get drawn into their drama so if someone posts a negative comment or wants to argue with one of my processes, I simply don't respond.

Seems like lately, people just want quick answers. They don't like my explaining on the reasoning behind certain processes or the way I do things, they just want the quick answer to whatever their problem is and if they would watch the video(s) with an open mind and pay attention rather than just skimming through them, they would learn to actually think for themselves and actually answer some, if not all, of their own questions. Lately I have gotten a LOT of comments from people on either my Duramax turbo rebuild video or the GM High Feature timing job I did. They have a lot of questions and say they did the job "exactly like I did and now they have problems". I don't know what to tell them other than they missed something or didn't do it exactly the way I did. :dunno:

I don't have a lot of subscribers to my YouTube channel, but that's ok. I don't necessarily have my channel for the clicks or views; I genuinely want to help people do better work and continuously improve upon their skillset as well as I want to get better and sometimes by explaining a process or procedure, I actually learn more hearing it explained out loud. I think some of the negativity lately stems from the fact that I am just not giving the viewers what they want, quick down and dirty answers.

That being said, I've had a hard time getting motivated to make videos lately because it seems they aren't appreciated and therefore the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I've been quite busy in the shop and there have been quite a few times I think to myself that I should record this and post it, but then just crank up the radio and ignore my thoughts of recording. I have not been active on Instagram nor FB for several months now either and have had people reach out to my wife asking if everything is ok. I generally will post up pictures of our road trips and adventures for our RV friends to see where we are going and what we are doing but that group is shrinking fast as friends are either hanging up the keys to their RV and Jeeps or they are passing. In the past I would also post pictures to Instagram of various projects, but haven't even posted anything there for several months now. Garage Journal is really the only place I am active these days as even a couple of the RV forums that have been very active on in the past, I have refrained due to the caliber of people joining and asking questions that don't want to think for themselves. There are some good folks on a Monaco forum that I belong to, but the others are just the same type of people that buy an RV they know nothing about and then after the purchase they need answers that should have been addressed or asked before spending the money.

Sorry for the rant @CGarage , but I really do appreciate you following along on my YouTube channel as well as my antics here. Thank you.
Mike - As a younger person here, even I agree that the internet is just getting worse and worse. I too generally stay away from the social media. I even barely post here because I don't think my opinion matters in the grand scheme of things - you know what they say about opinions.

But I am for sure an avid lurker trying to sort out the good from the bad. While I focus more on woodworking and house renovations, I do try to tackle some mechanical projects. I always follow your posts because maybe there is info that I will be able to use someday.

Funny enough, my in-laws elderly neighbor offered to let me borrow her log splitter. I was getting by and didn't really need it but it almost felt rude to turn the offer down since it was a way she could give back. Turns out it hasn't been used in a few years so I really found myself with a project. There were lots of mouse nests to clean out but I eventually got it to where it would start...for a few seconds. It was frustrating but when I was able to slow down and not search for the quick fix, I thought back to your posts and asking myself why it wasn't running and trying to actually solve the problem. I started with air, fuel, spark. Checked the spark plug and that's good, made sure it was getting air and had a clean filter and fresh fuel. Now I'm on the carburetor. That seems like the logical place. It would be so nice not to have this project right now but I am happy I am learning and trying to slow down so I can actually think through a problem.

Keep posting as I'm sure there are a lot of lurkers like me following along.

Mike
 

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Mike,
What is the application for these fittings where they aren't required to be DOT compliant?
I've used them professionally in production (automated, semi-automated, & manual) assembly tools and privately in On Board Air systems. I've a friend who has encountered them in his previous role as an Instrumentation Tech at a steam turbine power plant. He has a less than ideal view of them and calls them "poke-n-hope" fittings as I gather that their use in the power plant wasn't a 100% success. I'll guess that they violated the rules for use that Mike listed above. I like them a lot, but my brakes aren't riding on how well they do or don't work.

As I understand it they need the inner ferrule to be DOT compliant and the vast majority of those made lack this feature because it isn't needed for almost any other application. The best of these non-DOT fittings that I have worked with were made by Festo.

Search "Push to Connect" on McMaster.com for a glimpse into the possible options in these fittings.

I've seen a meme that goes something like this: "On the internet you can be anyone you want to be. It's a shame so many decide to be stupid." Like anywhere else, it is what we make of it.
 
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Mike - As a younger person here, even I agree that the internet is just getting worse and worse. I too generally stay away from the social media. I even barely post here because I don't think my opinion matters in the grand scheme of things - you know what they say about opinions.

But I am for sure an avid lurker trying to sort out the good from the bad. While I focus more on woodworking and house renovations, I do try to tackle some mechanical projects. I always follow your posts because maybe there is info that I will be able to use someday.

Funny enough, my in-laws elderly neighbor offered to let me borrow her log splitter. I was getting by and didn't really need it but it almost felt rude to turn the offer down since it was a way she could give back. Turns out it hasn't been used in a few years so I really found myself with a project. There were lots of mouse nests to clean out but I eventually got it to where it would start...for a few seconds. It was frustrating but when I was able to slow down and not search for the quick fix, I thought back to your posts and asking myself why it wasn't running and trying to actually solve the problem. I started with air, fuel, spark. Checked the spark plug and that's good, made sure it was getting air and had a clean filter and fresh fuel. Now I'm on the carburetor. That seems like the logical place. It would be so nice not to have this project right now but I am happy I am learning and trying to slow down so I can actually think through a problem.

Keep posting as I'm sure there are a lot of lurkers like me following along.

Mike

Thank you Mike, I appreciate your comments and glad that you have found some value in what I've shared. Good luck with the log splitter, I'm sure you will figure it out by methodically thinking through what is present and what is missing to keep it running.
 

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I thought back to your posts and asking myself why it wasn't running and trying to actually solve the problem. I started with air, fuel, spark.

Word of caution, using the old 'rule of three' has bitten me before.

Had buddy who bought an H22-powered Prelude sight unseen from Texas and had it shipped to my shop to swap the engine into another Prelude. Yes, this was the classic 'ran when parked' scenario. :rolleyes:

I told him before we went to the trouble of doing the swap I wanted to hear it run. He agreed, and sure enough it would not start. We checked and we indeed had the classic "air, fuel, and spark", but there happens to be a forth to making an ICE run. Turns out that ALL 16 valves were bent and we pretty much had zero compression on all four cylinders. Oddly enough, none of the pistons had any signs of contact with the valves, but when they were removed, you could roll each on a flat surface and see they were all bent. :mad:

We dropped the head off at the machine shop and had it gone through and all the valves replaced. After we reinstalled the freshly rebuilt head, it fired right up. :thumbup:

Yeah, I know Mike would have done a compression test at the start, but I'm not as good as Mike...dammit!

Sorry for the hijack Mike!
 

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Continuing on.

This is my favorite body hammer and the one I will reach for first.
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Couple more Snap-on body hammers with larger heads.
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Couple more dollies, including one with a handle and a long reach one. The long reach one actually works quite well for reaching up through taillight holes and such to reach into a panel for straightening.
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Lead shot bag that works like a dolly but is slightly formable.
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This is an old and was a very expensive tool back when I purchased it. It has a rotating head with one set of jaws for panel flanging and the other for hole punching for plug welds. I bought this back before I really knew any better and thought the "easiest" way to join two panels was flanging one, but I quickly learned that was NOT the way to do it as it never turned out right. I still use the hole punch but I can't tell you the last time I flanged a panel. I always **** weld my panels now followed by planishing or hammer & doly work after welding.
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Hope those are what you had in mind.

Thanks for following along.
Mike,

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to share - Happy to see that you also use a mix of shop-made and various brands as well.

That silver-soldered airgun is pretty trick, might have to make one of those up myself.

Also wanted to say that I appreciate the content that you post here on GJ as well as on YouTube - I see your videos whenever they get posted, and even if I don't own that vehicle or perform those jobs, the professionalism and thoroughness is the best part of the videos - That's why I like following your thread so much - You do things the right way, learn from your mistakes, and educate us. Too many people anymore throw their hands up and walk away - You show the right way.
 
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Mike,

Thank you for taking the time out of your day to share - Happy to see that you also use a mix of shop-made and various brands as well.

That silver-soldered airgun is pretty trick, might have to make one of those up myself.

Also wanted to say that I appreciate the content that you post here on GJ as well as on YouTube - I see your videos whenever they get posted, and even if I don't own that vehicle or perform those jobs, the professionalism and thoroughness is the best part of the videos - That's why I like following your thread so much - You do things the right way, learn from your mistakes, and educate us. Too many people anymore throw their hands up and walk away - You show the right way.


Glad the pictures were informative. I appreciate you taking the time to follow along and for your kind comments.
 
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Word of caution, using the old 'rule of three' has bitten me before.

Had buddy who bought an H22-powered Prelude sight unseen from Texas and had it shipped to my shop to swap the engine into another Prelude. Yes, this was the classic 'ran when parked' scenario. :rolleyes:

I told him before we went to the trouble of doing the swap I wanted to hear it run. He agreed, and sure enough it would not start. We checked and we indeed had the classic "air, fuel, and spark", but there happens to be a forth to making an ICE run. Turns out that ALL 16 valves were bent and we pretty much had zero compression on all four cylinders. Oddly enough, none of the pistons had any signs of contact with the valves, but when they were removed, you could roll each on a flat surface and see they were all bent. :mad:

We dropped the head off at the machine shop and had it gone through and all the valves replaced. After we reinstalled the freshly rebuilt head, it fired right up. :thumbup:

Yeah, I know Mike would have done a compression test at the start, but I'm not as good as Mike...dammit!

Sorry for the hijack Mike!
Thanks for the insight. I should have mentioned it did have compression. I didn’t know why I should check that but I did know enough to do it.

After fully disassembling the carb and cleaning, it’s running smoothly. Just needed a little TLC.
 

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I always follow your posts because maybe there is info that I will be able to use someday.

Sitting at the keyboard thinking, a couple things come to mind, I love watching Mike and how he diagnoses issues and then the steps followed to a correct solution. Mike delves into the 5 w's and takes us along on the journey. I truly appreciate this-even though I'll never be rebuilding a Mustang rearend.

I learned over time that most folks, google says 72%, don't have $1000. Repairs, home, car, trailer, etc require cash and usually occur at the worst time! So therefor the quick and dirty, cheap and fast, even if it means doing something again or even causing bigger issues later happens and is championed by the viewers/commenters on social media allowing us/them to get by in times of crisis.

Ponder how many times have you've driven past a vehicle along side the road that has been there a couple days, can't afford repairs or a tow, think about it! JSMH

Mike, keep posting we're cheering for you and awaiting the next issue of the tractor repair!
 
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Thanks for the insight. I should have mentioned it did have compression. I didn’t know why I should check that but I did know enough to do it.

After fully disassembling the carb and cleaning, it’s running smoothly. Just needed a little TLC.

Great job Mike. I was going to suggest a couple of other things to check, but didn't want to throw too much at you as the vast majority of the time just confirming those three things is enough to remedy the problem.

I had no doubt you'd get it up and running. Great job. :thumbup:
 

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Mike, just wanted to say thank you for taking your time to document the work that you do on this thread and on YouTube. Been following along for a good number of years. I’m just someone who loves to turn wrenches. I work on my own stuff, in my garage with my own tools. Learned more about the proper way to troubleshoot and diagnose mechanical issues from here than anyplace else. Look forward to your updates every day. Two of my favorite things to tinker with.

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Sitting at the keyboard thinking, a couple things come to mind, I love watching Mike and how he diagnoses issues and then the steps followed to a correct solution. Mike delves into the 5 w's and takes us along on the journey. I truly appreciate this-even though I'll never be rebuilding a Mustang rearend.

I learned over time that most folks, google says 72%, don't have $1000. Repairs, home, car, trailer, etc require cash and usually occur at the worst time! So therefor the quick and dirty, cheap and fast, even if it means doing something again or even causing bigger issues later happens and is championed by the viewers/commenters on social media allowing us/them to get by in times of crisis.

Ponder how many times have you've driven past a vehicle along side the road that has been there a couple days, can't afford repairs or a tow, think about it! JSMH

Mike, keep posting we're cheering for you and awaiting the next issue of the tractor repair!

Thanks for the comments Joel and I appreciate your continued support and frequency of visits.

I am ashamed to say this, but in mine and my wife's early years of marriage, right after our son was born, we were one of those statistics that had no emergency fund. Before our son was born I wasn't the best with money and pretty much lived paycheck to paycheck. My parents were not well off, but they had a farm so we never realized how poor we were because we had a roof over our heads and food on the table as kids. It wasn't until I was in Jr. High that I realized we were poor. I did however, watch my dad stress and strategize over money and how one thing or another was going to get paid and he managed to amaze me, even at a relatively young age I took note of what the man stood for and I particularly admired his integrity and his work ethic. He went without many times just so his children did not. I idolized the man and what he stood for. However, I think I've mentioned this before that I hated the farm and working the farm. I didn't want that life and by the time I was in High School I started taking notice a couple people in particular who were in the mechanical field that made an impression upon me, and I sought that life and what it "could" provide if one applied himself and was dedicated. It was at that point that I think I realized what my calling in life was. I started dating my wife at the end of my Senior year and she was able to get me an interview with a gentleman who ran the Maintenance Department at a local warehouse and we hit it off. He hired me and he became my mentor and eventually my good friend. I looked up to this man nearly as much as my own father and he really took me under his wing as far as teaching me anything and everything I wanted to know. He didn't grow tired of all my questions nor discount my desire to continuously improve, he encouraged it in fact.

Once I got married and had a little extra money coming in being a dual income household, as much as it pains me to say this, my brains fell out. Everything I had learned by watching my parents manage money and prioritizing went right out the window and I got stupid with money. I started spending way more than I should have on vehicles and thinking I had the world by the balls, but little did I realize it was an illusion. Within about a year or so after marriage I was smacked into reality with the medical issues both my wife and then son would experience and I had the wind knocked out of me. I still remember the night my son was born and the flood of emotion that overtook me and more importantly, the promise I made to God at that time, as it lives with me daily. Granted I feel like I fall short daily, but I get up the next morning and pray that I can redeem myself yet again. Our son was born 11-weeks premature and was given a very low chance of survival for the first 24 hours. He truly is a miracle and I am reminded of that each and every day.

Prior to our son being born by a few months, we dropped to a single income it really took its toll on us financially, and after bringing him home after his 72-day stint in the NICU, the bills really started stacking up. There were many times we only had $25 in our savings account and that was just to keep it open. It was "suggested" (which meant more like mandatory) during our son's stay in the hospital that we regularly met with counselors as divorce and bankruptcy were common themes among people who had premature babies in the condition our son was. The wife and I didn't respond all that well to the counseling part as we felt like we had the issue in hand, but actually I think I faked it for my wife's sake as I had to appear to be the strong one, but in reality I think she was my pillar in which I leaned against.

One of the counselors highly suggested that we file for medical bankruptcy due to our situation, but neither the wife nor I could bring ourselves to even consider that. We wanted to pay our way and pay what we owed to the doctors who had saved our son's life and given us a reason for continuing. We both devoted ourselves to the fact that when we got through that ordeal we would never be in that financial situation again.

But even when we were so close to losing everything, I still couldn't bring myself to half-*** things just to get by. I was early on in my learning curve and spent a lot of time getting parts from wrecking or salvage yards because I couldn't afford new parts and I definitely couldn't afford to have anyone else do the work. I swore I would do the best job I could on any repair and I especially didn't want to put my wife in a car that was unreliable. My truck went sometimes weeks at a time with a minor issue because we couldn't afford to fix it, but not the wife's. As funny as this may sound, I remember thinking to myself that one day I wanted to be able to purchase parts from the parts store rather than the salvage yard. Even while working at several parts stores in High School in our area, I still bought the large items from wrecking or salvage yards and many times had to repair those parts before installing. As much as I hated it back then and to some degree was embarrassed by it, I actually have to accredit some of those experiences to my learning. More times than not I would buy something from a salvage yard only to have to disassemble, clean and make a minor repair before being put to use. It became a challenge that I have to give credit to because I would have weigh the choice to spend several hours on and maybe a lesser dollar amount and then compare that to the cost of new or remanned parts. Looking back, I owe a lot to those early experiences trudging through salvage yards looking for what I had in my head and then thinking through the process to conclude the best financial path.

Within about six months of our son being born and seeing the miracle he had become, and he was healthy enough to come off oxygen and continued to improve, the wife was able to go back to work. Her office was awesome to hold a position for her during her leave of absence of nearly 9 months between her being bedridden before delivery and about six months after our son was born, also keep in mind this was long before FMLA was a law, so when she was able to go back to work we began our "comeback tour" if you will. We went about paying the doctors and hospital bills from least to most and multiple phone calls with the accounts receivable personnel to get our feet under us. The hospitals and doctor's offices were awesome to work with and we were grateful, but I also think that much of that was because we were honestly trying to repay our debt and they could see that. The wife and I were working our normal jobs and I was taking on any side job I could get my hands on with nearly everything going towards medical bills, mortgage and those expenses merely required for survival. After about 2 years we had dug our way out from under a mountain of debt and were starting to feel like we could breathe again.

The wife and I have been so very blessed throughout our life together and I recognize the Lords hands in every opportunity He has laid before me. By trying to help others to improve their skills sets and myself continually trying to be a better version of the person I was yesterday I feel is the best way I can even hope to show my gratitude and appreciation for the life we have been blessed with. I know that may sound naive and maybe even corny, but when I see people in society these days either give up way too soon, or feel like they have no options when it gets hard, I want to be able to say "been there, done that" and maybe be an example or sounding board to help others.

In today's world of social media, it seems like everyone is comparing themselves to what they see online. I realize that there are people that don't care for my wife and I because of only what they see on the surface and maybe think to themselve we've had it easy. Hell, I have coworkers that I have worked with for my entire career that still think we've had it easy, but they have no idea what it took to arrive at this point in life. We have family and other acquaintances that see where we are in life and what it looks like on the surface, but they have no idea the struggles nor the challenges we were faced with early in our life together, only what they "think they know". They never saw the checkbook when we barely had enough to keep our account open, they didn't see my wife leaving for work before 6am and not returning until after 7pm, then prepare dinner so we could all sit down as a family, help our son with his homework and then lay her tired head down on the pillow just to start all over again in about 5 or 6 hours. They never saw the hours I put in working in the shop on other people's stuff, stopping to eat dinner, read our son his bedtime story and then head back out to the shop for another several hours. We didn't tell people our troubles when we were in the middle of them, we just pushed through them knowing in our hearts there was a light at the end of the tunnel. We had to believe that because otherwise I don't think we could have continued. My wife and I grew closer together because of those struggles and grew closer to our Lord and Savior as we tried each and every day to be better people all while scrambling to improve our lot in life with the opportunities that He placed before us. I remember more times than not when money would get tight the phone would ring and someone would need some work done. That was not the Lord throwing money at us, it was Him opening the door and giving me the option to walk through it to learn and benefit. Our life has been filled with those blessings and opportunities.

I think one of the biggest factors in our relationship is that we never aired our dirty laundry to anyone else, not family members, parents or coworkers, we kept our heads down and talked through each situation to find solutions and to learn from them. Granted it wasn't always roses and rainbows, unfortunately there were some arguments in there, but we talked through them. My hopes and prayers are that those that my wife and I touch in some way are able to see that and maybe we can help someone else to see the light that we were shown by those we looked to for answers all those years ago.

Sorry to sound so metaphysical or bring spirituality into the mix, I realize this is Garage Journal, but I cannot take credit for my life. I used to really like Rush Limbaugh's motto of "talent on loan from God". I often feel that way because I have been blessed beyond measure much of my life.
 
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Mike, just wanted to say thank you for taking your time to document the work that you do on this thread and on YouTube. Been following along for a good number of years. I’m just someone who loves to turn wrenches. I work on my own stuff, in my garage with my own tools. Learned more about the proper way to troubleshoot and diagnose mechanical issues from here than anyplace else. Look forward to your updates every day. Two of my favorite things to tinker with.

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Thank you John. So are those late 80's/90's style Wheel Horses where they were owned by Toro?
 

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Thank you John. So are those late 80's/90's style Wheel Horses where they were owned by Toro?
Yes, the one in his pic on the right would have gotten Toro decals just a few years later in the 90's. They swapped them midway through production of those models of the era. I grew up with a 520H (bigger brother to John's 4xx model [Correction: 312-8]) and ours was a couple years before the decal change. Later ones should have been the exact same tractor but now said Toro rather than Wheelhorse. There is a 3rd decal that says Toro in smaller letters but I don't know how/when that came into play.
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Yes, the one in his pic on the right would have gotten Toro decals just a few years later in the 90's. They swapped them midway through production of those models of the era. I grew up with a 520H (bigger brother to John's 4xx model) and ours was a couple years before the decal change. Later ones should have been the exact same tractor but now said Toro rather than Wheelhorse. There is a 3rd decal that says Toro in smaller letters but I don't know how/when that came into play.
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Thanks. Still learning about the Wheel Horse line. I knew that Toro bought them around 1986 and continue to produce them for about 20 years, and it seems the Toro models seem to be more readily available or prevalent. Not sure if that is because once they were made under the Toro banner, they made more or just because they were the latest models available and more have survived being newest models available used. :dunno:
 

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Wheelhorse made quite a name for themselves all on their own. Especially on the eastern side of the country. Their tool-less Attach-a-Matic system was a real gamechanger in the L&G world. And the attachments interchange between machines incredibly well over a 20+ year period.
 

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Being in So CA I see a lot of people with a lot of expensive toys. Not uncommon to see a guy in his mid 30's driving a late model diesel CC 4WD truck lifted (!!!) on short sidewall large OD wheels & tires towing a less than 3 years old 40+ foot long toyhauler full of SXS, ATC's, and/or M/C's. When I add up what their combo of stuff is going down the road towards Cal City or wherever I'm appalled by the dollars rolling in the next lane. Then when I figure that they're paying interest on that large number my level of appallment (appallation?) jumps an order of magnitude. Can push on $250k pretty hard before the financing costs. 3-5 years of going to the desert will trash that trailer to the point of it never being worth what he owes on it, and he'll re-start the cycle by trading it in for a new one.
Then when I pass a string of 2-10 of them all going somewhere together the numbers really start to stack up!

I used to work with a guy who owed so much on his house & toys that it seemed like he quit worrying about it. He'd make one bad financial decision after the other due to poor impulse control. When it did get him down he'd tell me that he envied me for not having so much debt. Once I pointed out that while I do have toys, I don't have toys like his.
 

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I used to work with a guy who owed so much on his house & toys that it seemed like he quit worrying about it. He'd make one bad financial decision after the other due to poor impulse control. When it did get him down he'd tell me that he envied me for not having so much debt. Once I pointed out that while I do have toys, I don't have toys like his.
**See most Boeing employees around here. Many have so much **** that they have to work crazy amounts of OT to afford it, so never have any time to enjoy any of it. Crazy if you ask me.
 
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Being in So CA I see a lot of people with a lot of expensive toys. Not uncommon to see a guy in his mid 30's driving a late model diesel CC 4WD truck lifted (!!!) on short sidewall large OD wheels & tires towing a less than 3 years old 40+ foot long toyhauler full of SXS, ATC's, and/or M/C's. When I add up what their combo of stuff is going down the road towards Cal City or wherever I'm appalled by the dollars rolling in the next lane. Then when I figure that they're paying interest on that large number my level of appallment (appallation?) jumps an order of magnitude. Can push on $250k pretty hard before the financing costs. 3-5 years of going to the desert will trash that trailer to the point of it never being worth what he owes on it, and he'll re-start the cycle by trading it in for a new one.
Then when I pass a string of 2-10 of them all going somewhere together the numbers really start to stack up!

I used to work with a guy who owed so much on his house & toys that it seemed like he quit worrying about it. He'd make one bad financial decision after the other due to poor impulse control. When it did get him down he'd tell me that he envied me for not having so much debt. Once I pointed out that while I do have toys, I don't have toys like his.

Thom, when we were heavy into duning, we knew people exactly like you described. They would roll into the campground at the sand dunes with their $500k to $1M coach pulling their $50k plus stacker trailer loaded with another $250k plus worth of sand cars, quads and golf carts all custom painted and looking amazing. I'm ashamed to say I drooled over them and was envious, but only until I spoke to a few and quickly decerned that the vast majority were in debt up to their eyeballs. I would say less than 10% of them actually had the money to play at that level, the rest faked it.

It didn't take me long to look inward and realize that I was happy with my 15+ year old motorhome that we bought used and fixed it up the best we could to tow our 10+ year old trailer that we bought wrecked and repaired to haul all of our home-made toys. I wasn't in the same league as them, but mine were either paid for or afforded without worrying where the money was going to come from next month. This was all well before any form of social media but I remember forcing myself not to be envious and that we were enjoying our live just fine living below our means because the end goal was worth it. I think social media these days has made it harder to people to not compare themselves to others and is one of our societal downfalls.




I used to work with a guy who owed so much on his house & toys that it seemed like he quit worrying about it. He'd make one bad financial decision after the other due to poor impulse control. When it did get him down he'd tell me that he envied me for not having so much debt. Once I pointed out that while I do have toys, I don't have toys like his.
**See most Boeing employees around here. Many have so much **** that they have to work crazy amounts of OT to afford it, so never have any time to enjoy any of it. Crazy if you ask me.

When I had my speed shop, I worked on a number of guy's toys from where my brother worked, mainly boats and snowmobiles. The company paid their employees exceptionally well, especially in the maintenance department, and I think that actually contributed to the spending behaviors. I remember my brother telling me that they were encouraged to attend marriage counseling because of the high divorce rate amongst the maintenance department employees. The income levels were elevated even higher because it seemed like they had unlimited overtime and many guys were practically living there. Then they got themselves in so deep that they relied on that overtime and couldn't back down from it.

I remember asking one guy why he didn't do some of his own work seeing as how he was a mechanic in the maintenance department, he mentioned that his knowledge was limited to his actual job plus why would he work on his own stuff when he could make two or three times what he was paying me by working overtime. :oops: I actually applied and had multiple interviews at the company in the late 90's hearing what some of them were making, but after the wife and I discussed the pro's and con's I just couldn't pull the trigger when I was offered the job. Maybe I just got cold feet. :unsure:



I will throw this out there even though I am sure you have of this type of information.

Thank you. Browsing the list and model #'s pretty much mirror what I've been able to determine about the earlier models. I have been learning more about the earlier models, ie. pre-Toro, than I have the Toro models just because that is what I now have. I really do like the history of the tractor company, which helps me in pride of ownership I think.
 

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Back when I worked at Boeing in Everett, in the late 90's, your OT pay could jump from 1.5 to 2 times pay after ** number of hours worked per quarter. With that place being as large as it is, I am convinced that there are people who live there. It would be very easy to find some hidden closet or room in some tucked away corner and set up home. There are lots of restrooms with showers and lockers around, and cafeterias that serve anything you could possibly want. Personally, I like my life outside of work, and have never been huge on getting OT. My younger brother on the other hand, has worked 300-500+ hours of OT per year for at least the last 10-15 years. He was a King County Sheriff, he retires next month. I have no idea how he will fill his time. He has no real hobbies because all he did was work.
 
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Back when I worked at Boeing in Everett, in the late 90's, your OT pay could jump from 1.5 to 2 times pay after ** number of hours worked per quarter. With that place being as large as it is, I am convinced that there are people who live there. It would be very easy to find some hidden closet or room in some tucked away corner and set up home. There are lots of restrooms with showers and lockers around, and cafeterias that serve anything you could possibly want. Personally, I like my life outside of work, and have never been huge on getting OT. My younger brother on the other hand, has worked 300-500+ hours of OT per year for at least the last 10-15 years. He was a King County Sheriff, he retires next month. I have no idea how he will fill his time. He has no real hobbies because all he did was work.

I too liked and still like my time away from work. That being said however, when I first started out my career, I was young, full of energy and thirsty for learning, knowledge and experience. That combination along with the opportunity to work some overtime made it attractive when it was available.

After our son was born and I began to look at money and finances differently, more like what I grew up with actually, I took advantage of those times when overtime was offered, which was rare. Our company also handled their vacation time differently back then. They didn't pay you when you actually took your vacation, they paid you your vacation time upfront on your anniversary date and then when you took vacation you didn't get paid for that time off. I had coworkers that would blow their anniversary/vacation paychecks and have nothing of value to show for it nor be able to afford to take time off.

My wife and I on the other hand chose a different approach and when we would get our anniversary paychecks we would dump the vast majority of those funds on our home's mortgage balance. It was common practice back then to put money away for children's education, but our approach was a bit different in terms of trying to have the house paid off by the time our son was ready for college so we could therefore pay for his college without any debt. It worked well for us and we paid our first home off in exactly 15-years and were able to put our son through college debt free.

Unfortunately, that also meant that for those first few years we didn't take any vacation or time off and just became workaholics, which wasn't good either. It took us a few years to find that balance between paying down debt and saving enough to have an emergency fund as well as cover a few days of vacation when we took it off work. As time went on we also found that vacation was almost as valuable as the pay and as we stare down the barrel at retirement, even more so.

I'm glad I had the option to work all those hours when I was young and full of piss and vinegar, but also grateful for where we are now in life and don't have to work all those hours as our time together is worth much more.
 

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Thank you John. So are those late 80's/90's style Wheel Horses where they were owned by Toro?
The one on the right is a late 80’s 312-8. I acquired it from an elderly neighbor about 5 years ago. He was going to live with his daughter and no longer needed it. Was in pretty decent shape. Tune up and changed all the fluids. Been running great since. The one on the left is a 78 C-141. My BIL bought it brand new. He was going to scrape it this past summer when he got a new zero turn. I said I’ll take that off your hands no problem. It’s had a hard life. It does run. Haven’t had time to do much with it. Going to need tires and who knows what else. Hoping to get to it this winter.

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The one on the right is a late 80’s 312-8. I acquired it from an elderly neighbor about 5 years ago. He was going to live with his daughter and no longer needed it. Was in pretty decent shape. Tune up and changed all the fluids. Been running great since. The one on the left is a 78 C-141. My BIL bought it brand new. He was going to scrape it this past summer when he got a new zero turn. I said I’ll take that off your hands no problem. It’s had a hard life. It does run. Haven’t had time to do much with it. Going to need tires and who knows what else. Hoping to get to it this winter.

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Very nice John. Looks like they have a good steward over them now.

I believe mine has had a hard life as well. The person I bought it from owned it the majority of its life as the second owner, but it has been ridden hard and put away wet long before its last decade of inactivity. The wife asked me if I was going to leave it in it's patina'd state but I informed her it needs so much work that it's coming all apart and starting from the frame up. I will use it for a bit just to see where the leaks are at and what idiocyncracies it has, but come spring I will tear it completely down so I can restore it over the warmer months when I can do the body work and paint it.
 
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