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CHI_Tool&Die

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This is why i hate Matador,once made in germany. Now made by sonic in china,they left the dual mark on one of the socket by mistake.20260128_132049.jpg
I’m fairly certain Heyco is also using Taiwan -Sonic- for their deep 1/2” drive chrome sockets. And it looks like Gedore may be doing the same for their 1/4” stuff. More and more German manufacturers are going overseas.
 

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I’m fairly certain Heyco is also using Taiwan -Sonic- for their deep 1/2” drive chrome sockets. And it looks like Gedore may be doing the same for their 1/4” stuff. More and more German manufacturers are going overseas.
Yea,more and more are moving overseas. I'm cool with it if its made in Taiwan,but you cant keep the same price as german old stock,and they do just that. I know there is gedore red line,its junk,but had no idea they are moving regular gedore line to taiwan,that *****.
 

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When you say variable size chucks, are you talking about the 4486 keyless chuck, or the individual collets you swap out using the standard collet nut included with the Dremel? I don't have the Milwaukee 2525-20 rotary tool, but Google says the Dremel 4486 Keyless chuck will work with it, as well as the standard collets.

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Yes that is exactly correct, I was looking for a keyless Chuck. I'll take a look at the 4486. I had expected Milwaukee to offer some and I couldn't find any. Thanks for the links
 

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If you bought enough SO tools, I am Sure the dealer would stop In Front of your house.
Given the price of Snap-0n tools and the collections some guys show here, I think some have their paychecks direct deposited with Snap-On. Hopefully they do not have to visit the local food banks and live in a cabinet!

I was curious. I just looked up Snap-On is in the S&P500. I do not think many, or any other automotive tool manufacturers are. So you know they are doing something well with respect to making money!

Given American propensity for buying the cheapest stuff regardless of where they are made, it is amazing that they can convince enough people that quality tools are worth top dollar and sell enough to be so big and make enough money to be on the S&P500. It seems contrary to our present cultural patterns. I wish more Americans were open to paying a bit more to buy domestic. But that seems like a mostly lost cause for years now. So Snap-On is a very unusual outlier.
 
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Koken has tap sockets. I haven’t tried their static sized ones but I have their adjustable collet style ones and they are pretty nice. Haven’t used them much yet to say much else about them.

I have one of the Koken adjustable tap sockets and it's nice. Square drive size on taps varies a lot and sometimes an adjustable one is a better fit than a Lisle.

And for the detractors, I know that inch size taps do not use normal fractional sizes, so please don't say "use 4/8 point sockets"; because I have plenty, including weird sizes like 9/32; but this doesn't really work, even on vintage USA taps- because they weren't designed to use in 4 point sockets and are not nominal fractional sizes unless you want to go to at least 1/64".
 

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Pretty good for a $22 dollar bit set with the slide thru t-handle feature. Same quality as the overpriced Vim ratchet, but not a flex head. I like the hex ends at all ends on the GEiNXUR, compared to the Vim’s square drive.IMG_0970.jpegIMG_0971.jpeg
 

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This is why i hate Matador,once made in germany. Now made by sonic in china,they left the dual mark on one of the socket by mistake.20260128_132049.jpg
That Obsessed Garage would go off if he saw that. :lol: I wonder if this manufacturer also makes OEM Tools sockets as well :dunno:

I know they're not made in Europe but, I like the knurling and satin finish.
 

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Given the price of Snap-0n tools and the collections some guys show here, I think some have their paychecks direct deposited with Snap-On. Hopefully they do not have to visit the local food banks and live in a cabinet!

I was curious. I just looked up Snap-On is in the S&P500. I do not think many, or any other automotive tool manufacturers are. So you know they are doing something well with respect to making money!

Given American propensity for buying the cheapest stuff regardless of where they are made. It is amazing to me that they can convince enough people that quality tools are worth top dollar and sell enough to be so big and make enough money to be on the S&P500. It seems contrary to our present cultural patterns. I wish most people were open to paying a bit more to buy domestic. But that seems like a mostly lost cause. Snap-On is an unusual outlier.
You might dig a bit into Snap On's annual report before drawing too many conclusions... Only a portion of SO's revenues are from traditional US made Snap On tools... Much of it is from their owned companies (many of which have offshore production) and much of it is from finance income (I guess debt and high interest are the American way?)

I'm certainly not against buying American, but companies like you might not br exactly what you assume.
 

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That Obsessed Garage would go off if he saw that. :lol: I wonder if this manufacturer also makes OEM Tools sockets as well :dunno:

I know they're not made in Europe but, I like the knurling and satin finish.
Haha yea,tha's true about OGarage haha,i have no idea if they are making OEM tools. Finish is nowhere near the toptul,and this junk cost more. Worst of all,when you slap the socket on an extension (no matter which brand extension is) it transforms any regular 3/8 extension into a wobble plus lol.
 

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^ The term can be appropriately (albeit loosely) applied to anyone living north of the Rio Grande and south of the 49th parallel. Depends upon context.
Doesn't always necessarily have to be located in New England.

Obviously the United States Patent Office found enough "novel" for them to issue the patent.
The US Patent Office literally issued a patent for “plywood”, and the use of plywood in a huge number of items, from furniture, to almost anything else one might think of, years after rejecting a patent for a “plywood seat” because there was nothing “novel” or “new” about using plywood or the way the plywood seat was designed.
“Plywood”, made from cross laminated veneers of wood, was hardly an unknown technique at the time, and had been described in books on woodworking and cabinetmaking, including Thomas Chippendale’s “The Gentleman and Cabinet Makers Director”, a book that had been published about more than a century earlier, and which was so influential it basically named the style of furniture depicted in the book.

There have been numerous other times the US patent office has issued Patents for preexisting technology, and seems to continue to do so.
 

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I picked up the current gen M12 impact a little while back, along with the Pittsburgh 3/8 wobble impact extensions.
Just received the Capri semi-deep impacts in 3/8 today - first Capri tools, seem like a great value for the money but haven't used them yet.

I will say that the M12 impact is handy with a nice weight and form factor, however it's nowhere close to 550ftlbs of breakaway torque (which is not a surprise, really). My M18 mid-torque makes quick work of things in Mode 3 (the medium setting) that the M12 has zero shot at even on full gas. It's still got a lot of utility but it wouldn't be your main/only impact if you're working on cars.

Would also welcome suggestions for a quality 3/8 extension set - I wouldn't mind having a few more anyways.

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I picked up the current gen M12 impact a little while back, along with the Pittsburgh 3/8 wobble impact extensions.
Just received the Capri semi-deep impacts in 3/8 today - first Capri tools, seem like a great value for the money but haven't used them yet.

I will say that the M12 impact is handy with a nice weight and form factor, however it's nowhere close to 550ftlbs of breakaway torque (which is not a surprise, really). My M18 mid-torque makes quick work of things in Mode 3 (the medium setting) that the M12 has zero shot at even on full gas. It's still got a lot of utility but it wouldn't be your main/only impact if you're working on cars.

Would also welcome suggestions for a quality 3/8 extension set - I wouldn't mind having a few more anyways.
I like it too, but the "F-R" switch drives me nuts. always bumping it.
 
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I'd prefer a forward and reverse trigger with some sort of lockout button or switch. But, the only ones I know of like that are Snap-On and their price doesn't make sense to me for tools with a 2 year warranty.

For the $140 or so that I paid for this with the 5.0 HO battery I'm happy with it.
 

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Snap-On Thursday (actually its every other Thursday, but anyhow….)

3/8 flex-head, bent handle ratchet
11/16 flank drive plus ratcheting wrench

Giving away retro stickers….I only put them on the shop water heater. Not a fan of putting them on boxes.

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I think I’m set on 3/8 ratchets. Next I want a locking, flex-head 1/4” ratchet. I have an Icon flex head and round head 1/4” but I’d like a match set of Snap On ones.

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I picked up the current gen M12 impact a little while back, along with the Pittsburgh 3/8 wobble impact extensions.
Just received the Capri semi-deep impacts in 3/8 today - first Capri tools, seem like a great value for the money but haven't used them yet.

I will say that the M12 impact is handy with a nice weight and form factor, however it's nowhere close to 550ftlbs of breakaway torque (which is not a surprise, really). My M18 mid-torque makes quick work of things in Mode 3 (the medium setting) that the M12 has zero shot at even on full gas. It's still got a lot of utility but it wouldn't be your main/only impact if you're working on cars.

Would also welcome suggestions for a quality 3/8 extension set - I wouldn't mind having a few more anyways.

My impact extensions are all Sunex and HF. The wobbles are only Sunex, and I'm surprised that I haven't broken one yet. Oh, actually I also have two SK very long "transmission" impact extension with a 1/2 female and 3/8 male. For a non-wobble I would buy whatever cheap set that has the length selection you want. Maybe some are better than others in wobble, but Sunex has worked for me. Obviously, you can break even the best wobble extension, especially under impact use.
 

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Have a URL for the company?

Had to take Mom to a couple appointments, so I stopped at my favorite junk store in beautiful downtown Sequim on my way. Pretty slim pickings this week:
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Cheapie Asian hex key set in a clamshell box, 1/2" hex "ell" handle with good detent balls, and what appears to be a NB 1/2" hex drive 12-point. They just haven't been getting any tool donations lately. They were unloading a 27-foot U-Haul full of other household stuff: skis, furniture, stereos, washing machines.

Her appointment today was in the big city - we had to drive over to Port Angeles, about 18 miles west of Sequim.
If you ever get to Port Angeles, the place you want to check out is Swain's at 601 East First Street.
What are you lookin' for? Rubber boots? Georgia boots? Tools? Outdoor clothing? Canoe Paddles? Ammo? Fishing tackle? New chimney for your hurricane lamp? Oh... how about a new house plant? This was the only place in the state that had a pair of size 13 Wesco Jobmasters on the shelf when I needed a pair for a gig with USFS. (approved 10-inch fire boot.)
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I wandered around while they were taking pictures of Mom's innards. Tools are mostly offshore stuff, but they were closing out all of their Craftsman sockets for about $4 bucks a pop. I swear there is no fishing tackle on the planet they do not stock. Looked like they were pretty well stocked on hardware too. That row of nut-and-bolt bins is 40 feet long.

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Didn't leave with a lot: a way-cool plastic/screen thingie for washing stuff. Some very cool little plastic widget holders - those are shirt-pocket size and ONE of those is going to hold ALL the tackle I carry for trout and steelhead. The little Dremel-looking things will hopefully fit MY Dremel - they looked interesting. And some truly horrendous holgraphic "Sasquatch" refrigerator magnets for baby sister. (y)
 
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Have a URL for the company?

Had to take Mom to a couple appointments, so I stopped at my favorite junk store in beautiful downtown Sequim on my way. Pretty slim pickings this week:
new arrivals 012826.jpg
Cheapie Asian hex key set in a clamshell box, 1/2" hex "ell" hand with good detent balls, and what appears to be a NB 1/2" hex drive 12-point. They just haven't been getting any tool donations lately. They were unloading a 27-foot U-Haul full of other household stuff: skis, furniture, stereos, washing machines.

Her appointment today was in the big city - we had to drive over to Port Angeles, about 18 miles west of Sequim.
If you ever get to Port Angeles, the place you want to check out is Swain's at 601 East First Street.
What are you lookin' for? Rubber boots? Georgia boots? Tools? Outdoor clothing? Canoe Paddles? Ammo? Fishing tackle? New chimney for your hurricane lamp? Oh... how about a new house plant? This was the only place in the state that had a pair of size 13 Wesco Jobmasters on the shelf when I needed a pair for a gig with USFS. (approved 10-inch fire boot.)
Swain's 601 E. First Port Angeles Washington 012926.jpg

I wandered around while they were taking pictured of Mom's innards. Tools are mostly offshore stuff, but they were closing out all of their Craftsman sockets for about $4 bucks a pop. I swear there is no fishing tackle on the planet they do not stock. Looked like they were pretty well stocked on hardware too. That row of nut-and-bolt bins is 40 feet long.

new arrivals 012926.jpg
Didn't leave with a lot: a way-cool plastic/screen thingie for washing stuff. Some very cool little plastic widget holders - those are shirt-pocket size and ONE of those is going to hold ALL the tackle I carry for trout and steelhead. The little Dremel-looking things will hopefully fit MY Dremel - they looked interesting. And some truly horrendous holgraphic "Sasquath" refrigerator magnets for baby sister. (y)




Edit: Actually I found it. They claim to be the manufacturer of the bits. https://www.geinxurn.com/

CONTACT US
Phone: +8618966320739
WhatsApp: +61422259730
Email: [email protected]
Address: 4th Floor, Building 2, Liandong U Valley, No. 188 Guigu 6th Road, Luoxing Street, Jiashan County, Zhejiang Province.China


I got nothing. Came loose in a brown paper box. They offer lots of bits on Amazon. The ratchet can also be found branded Duratech. No idea who the manufacturer is. They do a decent job who ever does it. Duratech offers a flex version too.

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You might dig a bit into Snap On's annual report before drawing too many conclusions... Only a portion of SO's revenues are from traditional US made Snap On tools... Much of it is from their owned companies (many of which have offshore production) and much of it is from finance income (I guess debt and high interest are the American way?)

I'm certainly not against buying American, but companies like you might not br exactly what you assume.
Thanks for pointing out. What you report is a bit depressing. We (usa) really are no longer a powerful manufacturer. Services and moving money/banking.
 

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For what this cost, I'd expect smoother action. It's functional, but notchy enough to be irritating.

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Odd. I have that, and the straight version, and both are smooth as silk. Maybe there was some break in I don't remember, but I don't remember them being problems.

Just like VJQuan, I'm using WD-40 for general cleaning and flushing of suspect joints.
 

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You might dig a bit into Snap On's annual report before drawing too many conclusions... Only a portion of SO's revenues are from traditional US made Snap On tools... Much of it is from their owned companies (many of which have offshore production) and much of it is from finance income (I guess debt and high interest are the American way?)

I'm certainly not against buying American, but companies like you might not br exactly what you assume.

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Geinxurn claims to make a million bits a day and has a video of their production facility.

I actually purchased a couple of the "Geinxurn" kits and they seem surprisingly decent for ultra-cheap China tools, but that video does nothing to convince me it is anything other than a random Amazon-oriented "keyboard smash" brand.

The video is generic OEM promo copy. *Somebody* in China is making those bits, but it isn't Geinxurn, and whomever is making them isn't selling them direct on Amazon. IMHO, YMMV, ETC.
 

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@Etchase -
"Duratech" is Zhejiang Yiyang Tool Mfg. Co. Ltd., Zhejiang, China (PRC), and unless I'm mistaken they are making their own product.
Zhejiang / Zhejiang Yiyang Tool Mfg. Co. Ltd., No 68 Guangming Rd., Xiao Nanhai, Longyou, Zhejiang, China 324404 / http://www.ironduketools.com/ / http://www.yiyangtools.com/ / "Duratech" "Ironduke" /

contact: Mr. Charles Tang


GEINXURN is a registered trademark (Registration #7054309) owned by Yijia Electromechanical (Jiaxing) Co.Ltd., a Zhejiang based entity. The trademark was filed on 06 Apr 2022 with serial number (#97349159) and registered on 16 May 2023. The GEINXURN trademark is filed in the category of Machinery Products. The company began using the mark in commerce on 01st Apr 2022. As of 16 May 2023, the trademark remains Live/Registered, with a recent status, REGISTERED.

I'm not finding any reason to believe Yijia isn't manufacturing their own product.
 

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Matco Thursday. Grabbed a fixed 3/8” ratchet and some flexible hooks. The Eighty8s are great ratchets. I own a ton now and they are easily my favorites. The hooks are for Jeep work because I can’t ever get a weekend free from my wife’s Jeep.

On a side note, I’m glad to see the Matco guy’s business increasing. He actually had a line of dudes in the truck buying stuff so that’s a good feeling. He’s only got like 5 years on the truck so I’m really wishing him the best. He should be seeing a good bit as my driver and another a route over quit so he’s the only Matco guy around the area now. I guess if you ever wanted to a tool truck guy Chicagoland has a **** ton of Matco routes available. 😁 Also, haven’t seen the Snap-on guy in bit. He used to be the most reliable dude around so I’m hoping everything is cool.
 

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@Etchase -

-------- Original Message --------


Subject:​
Re: Hello Rachel at Geinxurn (or should I say "Yijia Electromechanical (Jiaxing) Co.Ltd" ??
Date:​
2026-01-30 5:59 am
From:​
"韩耿鑫" <[email protected]>
To:​
four.cycle
Cc:​
"李文科" <[email protected]>


Hi Brian,
Thank you for your email and for sharing your observations.
Regarding your inquiry, I'd like to clarify that Geinxurn is one of our online brands, owned and operated by Yijia Electromechanical (Jiaxing) Co., Ltd.
Geinxurn operates as an independent brand and has no cooperation with the "Duratech" brand.
Similarities in appearance do occur in the tool industry, especially for established product designs. It is common for different brands to utilize shared or similar tooling solutions. What distinguishes each brand are the specific quality control measures, material selections, and manufacturing standards.
If you have further questions or need additional information, please feel free to ask.

Best regards,
Rachel

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Looks like that's their story and they're stickin' to it.
Haven't heard back from Mr. Tang yet.
I don't think I should look up Chinese companies when I'm so tired. This shouldn't have been this difficult - they are in two totally different municipalities.

My best guess would be yes, both those ratchets were manufactured in the same facility, on the same production line, by the same workers, but contractual obligations between the two entities prevent them from divulging any sort of information about their sources - same as trying to get ProAmerica to tell you who they're stamping out pliers for. But that is 100% speculation on my part.

BK
 

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Wanted some good quality, made in USA, picks, cotter pin remover, radiator hose unsticker, teeth flossers...
Mailman dropped these gifts off from HJE and they did not disappoint...
Nicely made tools from C.S. Osborne, Harrison NJ...
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