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Ohio Andy

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TRO Designs 1/4" ratchet generation two arrived today


I have been using generation one for about five months now, very happy with it. Especially when I need or just want a ratchet with crazy low backdrag. Although there are improvements between generation one and two, I would be happy to have either in my pack.

Here I show the two generations side by side.


Even after five months of use I am still amazed every time I use it. .
 

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Excellent.

So... why do they not let the buying public know where they are located?
ZERO information on the company's website regarding location.
They are in California. They list it on their Facebook page. My ratchets shipped from California and I have that address.


They also have a youtube feed. They are mostly motorbikes.


And I do not maintain or ride motorbikes.

I do not know why I think this, but I thought that they developed these ratchets as lightweight tools to carry while "biking". I always thought that, but now that I write it I figure I might be completely wrong. In my addled brain I thought I read that it was a use case for them. My boss at one point raced bikes, we both moved on to different jobs and did not stay in touch.
 

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Looks like they're more focused on motorcycles.
I don't use Facebook.
I do not find any address on any of those pages.

Sorry, but I am immediately distrustful of any manufacturer that hides their physical location.
This is the second one I've come upon today.

"I will never buy the pig in the poke
- there's many a foul pig in a fair cloak"
- old 15th century saying
 

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Looks like they're more focused on motorcycles.
I don't use Facebook.
I do not find any address on any of those pages.

Sorry, but I am immediately distrustful of any manufacturer that hides their physical location.
This is the second one I've come upon today.

"I will never buy the pig in the poke
- there's many a foul pig in a fair cloak"
- old 15th century saying
I have an opinion on that but every bit of it is complete speculation...

If you're willing to create a free account, you can get all their details from California directly for free.
 

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I have to "sign up" for "an account" before I am allowed to know WHERE a product I might consider purchasing is made and/or being distributed from?

If that guy had walked into my office 40 years ago (when I was doing all the buying for a chain of stores), he'd have been shown the door in a New York minute.

Sorry... not sure where this trend started, or why, and I don't care. Manufacturers who hide their physical locations get ZERO trust from ME.
And zero dollars.

If you're going to hang out a shingle, you better be able to put yourself in front of the public. Otherwise you have no business being in business.
 

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Looks like they're more focused on motorcycles.
I don't use Facebook.
I do not find any address on any of those pages.

Sorry, but I am immediately distrustful of any manufacturer that hides their physical location.
This is the second one I've come upon today.

"I will never buy the pig in the poke
- there's many a foul pig in a fair cloak"
- old 15th century saying
This is taking COO to a new level - you're looking for LOO "location of operations"?

There's a number of great reasons not to list your address as a very small scale manufacturer.
We have an awful lot of curious people come by as it is already!
Also, we don't have any kind of real security like a big time factory.

Having said that, we're based in Orange County, CA (philly native) and we also do some things in Corpus Christi but neither places are addresses I'd want people just dropping by.

I recently reached out to AvE (wanted to send a tool in for testing) and yep, no address. He likely has his HAAS mill in his garage. So I'd have to buy something to find out his location.

Speaking of location, reminds me of this guy:

 

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I have to "sign up" for "an account" before I am allowed to know WHERE a product I might consider purchasing is made and/or being distributed from?

If that guy had walked into my office 40 years ago (when I was doing all the buying for a chain of stores), he'd have been shown the door in a New York minute.

Sorry... not sure where this trend started, or why, and I don't care. Manufacturers who hide their physical locations get ZERO trust from ME.
And zero dollars.

If you're going to hang out a shingle, you better be able to put yourself in front of the public. Otherwise you have no business being in business.

This trend started around 10-12 years ago in my line of work. Only the largest businesses in my industry even have a phone number anymore. Customers have changed, and they feel entitled to all of our time. It is so bad that we have to throttle our email responses. If we immediately respond, 95% are going *immediately* reply to us asking more. This will continue endlessly if we keep responding quickly. So, we initially respond quickly with a comprehensive response. When they instantly respond (usually with the same questions, just reformatted), we put them on a cooldown period before responding again.

Larger businesses can justify hiring customer (emotional) support staff. But in small business making niche products, we do not even want customers who need lots of time. They want to stop by? Nope. My business is on my personal property these days (building behind my house), so sharing location is out of the question by default. But my last 2 industrial lease locations; blacked out windows, no signage, all doors locked 24/7.

The reality is that everything is trending towards this now, its just that smaller business are not bothering to pretend. Try and get real customer service from any major corporation and you will be recycled and spit out by automated phone systems that go no where, or smiling faces at a kiosk that have no information helpful to you whatsoever.
 
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The reality is that every business is like this now,
^ That is simply not true in the world of tool manufacturing. Physical street addresses of most every tool manufacturer on the planet are readily available with a simple Google search. I very seldom run into instances where I am unable to find a company's address.
Very seldom... like: almost never.
I'm not going to engage in any sort of discussion/argument about "reasons".
I can only offer that physical street addresses of tool manufacturers are readily and easily found on the web.
If you need evidence of that, click on my "signature" line below:
 

moemc

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^ That is simply not true in the world of tool manufacturing. Physical street addresses of most every tool manufacturer on the planet are readily available with a simple Google search. I very seldom run into instances where I am unable to find a company's address on their own website or a related website. Very seldom... like: almost never.
Its coming!

Either way, if you go there, you are going to be stopped at a front desk by a secretary and odds are that you will not be introduced to the engineer(s), production managers, etc.

Small businesses do not have that corporate barrier to protect the people whose time needs to go towards productivity. It isn't that they cannot afford to give you the time, its that they cant afford to give ALL of you the time.
 
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Pferd Machinist's files in plastic pouch, cut 2, 200mm (8") (532 WR 200 / 11800532)
Ordered these directly from Germany for a substantial saving over local. I didn't need all these shapes but the set was way better value than fewer singles. I had 250mm (10") before but thought shorter would be better when not working out in the open. Nice handles and tough pouch, both better than the equivalent Bahco.
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Pferd Special file universal sharpening file, 200mm (8") (PF 1212 ruk 200 H2 / 11272207)
Pferd Wood rasp tanged half-round pointed, cut 2, 200mm (8") (PF 1552 200 H2 / 11233207)
The sharpening file is single cut 2, with smooth rounded edges to avoid digging in.
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There are slots for two additional files in the pouch, however due to the bulk of the handles it doesn't roll up very well with more than the original 5 if you have handles on the extra ones. I would have liked some way of knowing what's in each slot without pulling them out, but perhaps difficult to do that while keeping the handles and case generic. I might stencil it.
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Pferd file brush (HBF 10 ST 0,15 / 43698013)
This seems to be mismarked as the wires are 0.3mm, which is fortunately what I wanted, but hadn't noticed when ordering. Seems to be a HBF 10 ST 0,30 (12601000). This brush appears under several German brands, and there's also a slightly different one with a less refined handle shape and no hanging hole (which of course you could DIY). I'll treat the bare wood handle with something.
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This is taking COO to a new level - you're looking for LOO "location of operations"?

There's a number of great reasons not to list your address as a very small scale manufacturer.
We have an awful lot of curious people come by as it is already!
Also, we don't have any kind of real security like a big time factory.

Having said that, we're based in Orange County, CA (philly native) and we also do some things in Corpus Christi but neither places are addresses I'd want people just dropping by.

I recently reached out to AvE (wanted to send a tool in for testing) and yep, no address. He likely has his HAAS mill in his garage. So I'd have to buy something to find out his location.

Speaking of location, reminds me of this guy:

I was going to say, I remember it being a member here that developed this ratchet and there was a whole thread dedicated to it.

If you have questions just ask @teagueo or go check out the thread that covers the development.
 
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I should be on the Honda payroll.

After 18" of snowfall this weekend, two of my Neighbors are now Honda believers. One Ego twin stage 24" **** the bed due to battery failure, like, legit smoking battery's. After letting it cool down and using his other charged packs, it starts and runs for a few seconds and then turns off under no load.

The other neighbors Ariens died while attempting to clear a snow mountain left behind by the previous day's snow plow pass. Sounds like something internal to the auger drive since the sheer pins are in place and the engine sounds "ok".

Both fixed with my Honda HSS928AATD with no drama.

Earlier this winter I spent a few days and nights in this camp in quiet spot in Wyoming. The paths to here and there, and to the little sleeping huts? Done with a Honda snowblower.

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(Not my pic. Snow wasn't stacked this high when I was there.)
 

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f you ever get to Port Angeles, the place you want to check out is Swain's at 601 East First Street.
What are you lookin' for? Rubber boots? Georgia boots? Tools? Outdoor clothing? Canoe Paddles? Ammo? Fishing tackle? New chimney for your hurricane lamp? Oh... how about a new house plant? This was the only place in the state that had a pair of size 13 Wesco Jobmasters on the shelf when I needed a pair for a gig with USFS.

And all of that inventory is tidy. I've learned (thanks to Wal-Mart) this can be an indication of both the quality of employee and the quality of customer!
 

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This kind?


I've been using this kind of handle Wiha for 25 years and they're my standard/fave.

I have a few of those exact type-style of Wiha screwdrivers (with the red acetate handles) and yes they are excellent to use.
Looks like in that video, that guy probably got a good deal on the "old stock" set but the large phillips screwdriver is missing from the set, so he purchased an incomplete set.
It's clear that the reason why it was previously opened was because someone down the line needed that large phillips screwdriver. That's probably why he got such a good deal for it. :dunno:
 
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Some eBay NOS finds

-Wiha long metric hex key set - COO Poland
-Gedore 6 pc screw driver set plus an extra small flat head screw driver - COO Slovenia.

I left my old Wiha screw driver set behind when I moved not realizing how hard finding replacements was going to be. They're hard plastic red see through handles. Were the most comfortable screw drivers to use and just fitted right.
I currently have Stanley (USA) , Husky ( taiwan )and Klein ( USA and Taiwan ) and besides the ratcheting Klein's , I don't really like using any of them. Don't feel right in my hands while those old Wihas did nicely. So the Gedore set is just another set I'm trying in the hopes of finding a set that is as good for me.

A tip I heard around here in the past year, when looking for the screwdriver you like best: just buy one of a type, in, say, Phillips #2, a very commonly used size, and live with it for a while.

Something else German to keep in mind: Harry Epstein's last summer received a big load of surplus Felo:

 

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Harry Epstein also carries the Vessel red plastic handled screwdrivers

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Harry Epstein also carries the Vessel red plastic handled screwdrivers

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YES! (y)

I also have Vessel in both common and phillips screwdriver sets, just like those pictured.

 

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My wife came to me and said " there is something scraping under the car when I reverse "

Off to Autozone and HF to get a trolley jack. I was about to choose the Daytona 3ton over the Duralast jack when I found out that for the Daytona , one has to pay between $40-75 for a 1 or 2 year warranty and that the $2-300 Daytona jacks come with only a 90 day warranty. I expected this from the Pittsburgh jacks but thought the Daytona would actually have a warranty.
The Duralast gold seemed like the better deal all of a sudden.

Walked back to Autozone and got this little guy instead and figured it would be nice to have a small trolley jack in the car anyways and this would tide me over today until I find a Trolley jack I like for decent money. I was leaning towards the Duralast gold but I don't know now.

I hate being held ransom on a Sunday afternoon to auto parts store &HD tools because I don't have them and I should have had one already I've been here for 2 years now , should already have one.

I did pick up this Coaxial compression tool from HF , found it in the discount isle next to the nits and bolts I was looking at.

Oh, and Napa had nothing.

•Duralast jack -COO assume it's China CORRECTION , Cambodia
•Coax compression tool - Taiwan

So the splash cover hole had become to big for the bolt. I get underneath and notice it's floppy though because the bolt next to it (in yellow ) has no splash guard to bolt onto. Red shows how it looked before it was cut by what I presume was an apprentice drywaller on his 1st day.

Either Valvoline or Kia , decided to cut a square out of the splash guard to make oil changes easier. The bolt was a little tight but I got it off easily with a 1/4 ratchet and 10mm socket and fitted that bolt to another area of the splash guard that just hadn't been bolted back when the engine was replaced last June.
My hunch is that it was Kia that did this as since we replaced the engine , we've only taken it to Kia as we suspect valvoline destroyed the oil pan which caused the engine to come knocking at my door.
We didn't see the leak and if this was cut back then , we would have seen the leak on the ground.

****** morons. Warranty is almost over then I'm doing the oil changes myself.
 

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Waiting for me at the post office today were:
Gasgacinch gasket adhesive. NO LONGER has "Edelbrock" anywhere on the label, if you're having trouble finding it. Just search "gasgacinch" and you'll fine it online.
Some Stahlwille pliers from KC Tool. These are very nice. Just wish I would have gotten in earlier on the diagonal cutters!
Tsunoda duckbills based on a recommendation from @Dave455 - these are crazy skinny at the business end. (DBP200)
NO idea why that knife was sent to me, but after reading comments in the "Do you post reviews on Amazon?" thead, I am suspicious.
Looks nice looking straight down at it. Turn the package sideways - that thing is 1/2" thick. Has what appears to be a wire stripper built in. I'm hoping my "Secret Santa" recipient will treasure it - I got more knives than I got fingers and toes.
 

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Some total duds:
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SunJoe corded leaf mulcher. Ran for less than an hour before an impeller cracked in half and blew out the housing. They refunded it pretty quickly, but I actually do need one of these. So if you have a recommendation for a different brand, I'm listening.

XTRM CRAFT 24 inch "hemostats":
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I needed a delicate tool for reaching into a tight space to grab bits of plastic film. The tips on these ended up being 1/4" thick and 1/2" wide, so those are pliers in my book. Made in Pakistan, but not very well. Here's a picture of the joint:
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Hyper tough digital angle gauge:
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Closed it against a square and zeroed it. Checked at 90, off by 4 degrees. Closed it back up, off 0 by 3 degrees. Completely different results every time I check it.

MagMate 240N:
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This actually works totally fine, I just got burned by the COO listing. Definitely made in China, but they seem to have the telescoping stuff down pat.
 
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