To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Pros/cons of French-style "clés à pipes" socket wrenches

M6erfan

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 6, 2014
Messages
10,170
Location
'Merica!
They're handy in some situations. Like others have mentioned, strut mounts, valve lash, etc. A use case that I'm familiar with on a somewhat regular basis is clutch rod adjustment (jam nut threaded over a set screw, recessed) on some motorcycles. . .

Screen Shot 2021-12-22 at 10.39.34 AM.png
 
Last edited:
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Mgdoug3

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 2, 2018
Messages
1,391
Location
KY
I bought a 9/16" one just to make setting the valve lash easier on John Deere engines. A wrench gets in the way a lot of the times.
 
OP
4

4xdog

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 18, 2012
Messages
5,620
Location
Santa Fe, NM
As I finish the slow-motion cleanout of my parents' old home, it turned out the other day that I needed a socket (of initially undetermined size) to take the top off and the legs apart on a trestle table I wanted to bring to my place. I had room in the truck on this trip, but I didn't bring a good tool kit -- no ratchet and socket. My neighbors, nice folks, have only a Crescent wrench(!) so nothing there.

Turns out I did have a 14mm FACOM socket wrench in my Tacoma's tool bag, and that was exactly the right tool to take apart the table. I was delighted -- hauling bulky items 500+ miles is something ya wanna do when ya have the chance.

Socket wrenches rock, at least for me. Seriously -- if you have some, give 'em a chance.

i-59cwhDS-X3.jpg
 

Iridium rand

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 23, 2021
Messages
218
I see em as basically allen keys for bolts, break it loose with one end spin it out with the other

most of the time that’s perfectly fine and more convenient than combo wrenches most of the time, but you don’t have an open end and they’re much bulkier than a standard box end so you cover less ground than combos
 
OP
4

4xdog

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 18, 2012
Messages
5,620
Location
Santa Fe, NM
I see em as basically allen keys for bolts, break it loose with one end spin it out with the other

most of the time that’s perfectly fine and more convenient than combo wrenches most of the time, but you don’t have an open end and they’re much bulkier than a standard box end so you cover less ground than combos
That analogy to an Allen hex key is not far wrong, @Iridium rand.

These clés à pipe ("pipe key" wrenches) don't really replace combination wrenches or box wrenches (although they can in some cases). They're more a replacement for a loose socket on a breaker bar or ratchet.

In the case of my table, I needed to get into recessed 14mm lag screws. It woulda taken a separate socket as an alternative.
i-hJQMctd-X3.jpg
 
Last edited:

Gmonkee

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2010
Messages
2,846
Years have passed, I quit playing mechanic as a living.
Over time I have sold and weeded out the bulk of my kit going down to a skeleton crew of my best.
My son got a rather heavy lot of the stuff I decided to move out. Several hundred pounds for sure.

What stayed is my small 3/8 socket set, a set of Wurth metric DOE and these tube wrenches. I did find a small set of SAE in the Truper brand at a liquidation store and upgraded a few of my home made stuff out.

For occasional home use it's far more than what I need, and I still have access to my son's kit.
 

CGarage

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 23, 2018
Messages
3,027
Location
United States/Switzerland
I am surprised that @Dave455 has not chimed in!

Keep in mind, at one point, 50-odd years ago, ratchets were not as common as they are now and they were expensive! The clés à pipes were a clever and cost effective solution at a time when ratchets were an expensive luxury to tradesmen.
 

kyrbz

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 30, 2012
Messages
1,318
Location
midwest US
As weird as it may sound angled socket wrenches were a major factor in getting me to sell TOPTUL tools. I love the things and TOPTUL makes really nice ones. Getting me and my buddies sets of angled socket wrenches was a driving factor in my making first contact with TOPTUL. They didn't sell worth **** but anybody that bought them loves them as they are very comfortable on your hands compared to relatively sharp combination wrenches. You can exert far greater force for a given length with an angled socket wrench because you're not hurting your hand. Great for valve adjustments and on motorcycles where you have screws inside of lock nuts. Eric O. uses the one I sent him for changing out struts which have this exact situation. Trust me they will never be mainstream in America but that's our loss because once you use them you'll like them.
I have a few of the smaller sizes that are the perfect tool for carburetor adjustments. As dnschmidt mentioned, the angled end is perfect for holding a lock nut in place while adjusting an inner adjustment screw or vice versa, tightening a lock nut while holding an adjustment screw in place. I wouldn’t mind having a complete set, but not a top priority.
 

Private Lugnutz

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 30, 2012
Messages
30,623
Location
The Authentic Jersey Shore
With the bumped and renewed interest, I will link my melancholic US historical foray for the skimmers...
Below is an advertisement (from 1919) and some photos of Braunsdorf-Mueller socket wrenches from that era from my collection.

When they said "TOOLS THAT LAST" in the ad, I don't think they meant Facom appropriating the same basic idea almost 100 years later..., but it's as ironic as it is true. :)
 
OP
4

4xdog

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 18, 2012
Messages
5,620
Location
Santa Fe, NM

Dave455

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
5,821
Location
Sussex, England
I am surprised that @Dave455 has not chimed in!

Keep in mind, at one point, 50-odd years ago, ratchets were not as common as they are now and they were expensive! The clés à pipes were a clever and cost effective solution at a time when ratchets were an expensive luxury to tradesmen.
Even Dave has to work sometime!

I think that when you are used to working a certain way, and using certain tools, it’s sometimes difficult to get your head around different ways of working.

If I see an unusual tool, especially one that sees a lot of use in a particular industry or country, I always reckon it’s worth seeing what the advantages may be.

I first started paying attention to these wrenches probably 30 years ago. Most of the older ones I had seen were of lesser quality, but I was quite impressed by the quality of the Facom.

There are some advantages. They completely surround the fastener, engaging on all corners, and engage to full depth too, even on non standard deep fasteners. In my case these were the first 6 point wrenches I bought, and I’ve always found them good on difficult fasteners.

As M6erfan points out, there are some cases where they are by far the best tool for the job. I find mine useful when I specifically don’t want to carry small parts that are easily lost, so they’re good away from base,

But personally I just find them nice to use, and as most of us do what we do for enjoyment, why not!

Downsides, I accept, are the relatively short length, and the weight. For those reasons I largely omit these from my road box now, and I tend to favour them in smaller sizes. But there’s nothing better to chuck in a pocket if you need to carry out simple tasks like working on electrical terminals.
 

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,953
Location
Tacoma, Washington
^ or a motorcycle or bicycle.
while mine are still neatly wrapped up in the package, I can definitely see where these would be the "go to" choice in some applications.
it's not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but for some it's going to be a favorite.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Pexto

Well-known member
Joined
May 5, 2018
Messages
640

Attachments

  • 20260502_162908.jpg
    20260502_162908.jpg
    1 MB · Views: 39
  • 20260502_162942.jpg
    20260502_162942.jpg
    685.9 KB · Views: 32
  • 20260502_163045.jpg
    20260502_163045.jpg
    634.6 KB · Views: 31
  • 20260502_163139.jpg
    20260502_163139.jpg
    650.8 KB · Views: 31
  • 20260502_163226.jpg
    20260502_163226.jpg
    621.8 KB · Views: 29

YesIHaveAHammer

Well-known member
Joined
Jun 1, 2025
Messages
848
The passthrough head comes in useful sometimes with long bolts, threaded rod, or threaded brackets.

Also useful for holding nuts; they won't fall out the back.

They're on the short side for leverage, but the rounded profile does make them more comfortable when applying higher force.

Can be used sort of like a T handle for spinning things on/off.
Facom 76.J5PB Angled Socket Wrench bi-hex set
French style "Cles a pipe". Unnecessary, obsolete... maybe, but interesting, and I stumbled upon them relatively cheaply while looking for something else. Think I'll put them on the wall to encourage me to grab them.
P_20250607_140854.jpg
 

Private Lugnutz

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 30, 2012
Messages
30,623
Location
The Authentic Jersey Shore
Nah -- it's whatever fits. My friends in France usually use a screwdriver as a tommy bar.
When I first saw a modern version with the through hole in the back of the bell I remember thinking that the smaller sizes could be used as the crossbars for the larger sizes, which would be clever, but it wouldn't work fitment wise, and it would probably lead to distortions.

These antique (ca. 1919) US sets came with two crossbars, to accommodate two different diameter cross-drilled holes, one for the smaller range, and one for the larger range.
 

Attachments

  • 20260504_130814.jpg
    20260504_130814.jpg
    974.8 KB · Views: 23
  • 20260504_131355.jpg
    20260504_131355.jpg
    1.1 MB · Views: 26

Roert42

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 25, 2023
Messages
196
Location
NE Penn
They are pretty popular in my industry. We work on machinery that is primarily stainless steel so most of the time once the bolt is loose it spins off easily.

I don't need deep + shallow sockets with a variety of extensions and a ratchet. Just to use the extension like a nut driver after I break the nut loose.

Have a set of these in jus the sizes you need, and a set of ratcheting box wrenches.
 
OP
4

4xdog

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 18, 2012
Messages
5,620
Location
Santa Fe, NM
When I first saw a modern version with the through hole in the back of the bell I remember thinking that the smaller sizes could be used as the crossbars for the larger sizes, which would be clever, but it wouldn't work fitment wise, and it would probably lead to distortions.

These antique (ca. 1919) US sets came with two crossbars, to accommodate two different diameter cross-drilled holes, one for the smaller range, and one for the larger range.

My friends, Lugz, have shown me how they increase the leverage on a socket wrench like these. They put the socket end of a larger wrench over the free socket end of a smaller wrench on a fastener to extend its length. Sorta like using two combination wrenches together for leverage (but probably more secure and better on the wrenches). They tell me through either intentional design or coincidence, a set of wrenches has a number of pairs that can be used like this.
 

Gmonkee

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2010
Messages
2,846
Today I needed to drop the motor off my wash machine, these were the perfect tool for a simple job like that.
Not a lot of torque or space restrictions, fairly simple all the way.
I don't feel a need to drag out a Snappy Wall-o-tools for such things.
 

Gmonkee

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2010
Messages
2,846
These are the Truper branded version. Sets of six, SAE and metric.

I wanted 19-7mm and 1/4-3/4" range and commercial versions were not available at the time. But I had a big box of random sockets and a welder. It isn't pretty but it got me through years of wrenching.

The 15mm was the experiment. It was too bulky so others used VW bug torsion spring steel. IMG_20260604_124656.jpgIMG_20260604_124838.jpg
 

Gmonkee

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2010
Messages
2,846
Taiwan. Maybe China. They are a major rebrander. Everything Truper is a contract tool.
 

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,953
Location
Tacoma, Washington
China (PRC) and they are still in the package - never used.
I shipped a set of them to @Chrome Vanadium Cody - but he's fallen off the planet.
Truper's website looks to ME like they're just a distributor of outsourced product. MY guess is that they're outsourcing those and having them re-branded.
 

Gmonkee

Well-known member
Joined
May 9, 2010
Messages
2,846
China (PRC) and they are still in the package - never used.
I shipped a set of them to @Chrome Vanadium Cody - but he's fallen off the planet.
Truper's website looks to ME like they're just a distributor of outsourced product. MY guess is that they're outsourcing those and having them re-branded.
They absolutely are. Every single product.
That said its the local hardware store with product support and my son and i have a lot of thier stuff. Lawn equipment, power tools, disposables and whatever.

But in a place with only Home Depot as competition they get us affordable tools we can use with support unlike HD or online ordering. It's good stuff. I run a lawn business on it.

Thanks for the "made in" information on the wrenches. I have used them a lot but never knew, just suspected.
Everything else was Chinese.
 

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,953
Location
Tacoma, Washington
The DuraTech line was manufactured by
Zhejiang / Zhejiang Yiyang Tool Mfg. Co. Ltd., No 68 Guangming Rd., Xiao Nanhai, Longyou, Zhejiang, China 324404 / http://www.ironduketools.com/ / http://www.yiyangtools.com/ / "Duratech" "Ironduke" /

but there's been some confusion about that recently - depending upon what website you're looking at - some sites are saying that DuraTech is now part of Great Star (the company that bought S-K) but I have not been able to confirm that one way or another.

Great Star / Hangzhou GreatStar Industrial, No.35 Jiuhuan Road, Jiubao Town, Hangzhou, China 310019 / http://www.greatstartools.com/ / est. 1993 / see also GreatStar USA / parent company of Adjustable Clamp Co. (Pony Jorgensen), Arrow, Goldblatt, Millers Falls, Shop-Vac, S-K, Workpro and others /

You don't have your location on your avatar so I have no clue where you might be.
 

four.cycle

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2015
Messages
28,953
Location
Tacoma, Washington
OH! Wow...yes, completely different world there in respect to tool availability.
Home Depot went down and bought out chain of stores down there, didn't they?
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom