I have some somewhere.I'll see if I can dig them upWow! Great find. I agree, the smallest wrenches are often the hardest to find. I’m not sure whether I just overlook them, or whether they are actually scarce.
I’ve been slowly building two sets of the early E4x DBEs to display both sides.
My two sets have no E40s (just a single later-era placeholder) and only one E44 (w another later-era placeholder). Similar issue with Zenel E18 and E20 DOEs.
Spreading the Bonney affliction!
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Mikeske
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Oh yeah and I have a few of the pre-Loc-Tite and a lot of the Loc-Tite flare wrenches. The open-box on the right were from a military set I got off eBay several years ago and the ones in metric and SAE in the red vinyl roll ups were from my original set of Bonney I bought in 1984.
Raineman
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If anyone wants these, I can send them to you. Maybe help with postage. They don’t fit in with my preferred Bonney collection and I’m purging a lot of my collection of other brands as well.
Free to anyone that wants this batch. If you feel inclined to help me with shipping cost, okay.
Free to anyone that wants this batch. If you feel inclined to help me with shipping cost, okay.
2001ZR2
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1/2 - 9/16 DBE with PWA markings apparently for Pratt Whitney Aircraft...interesting tool for 75 cents.
Private Lugnutz
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Picked up another suspected postwar stud puller. This one does not show any signs of having any number resembling a Snap-on date code, unlike the first one I found, which looks like a Snap-on, and had an "8" resembling a Snap-on 1948 date code, in a location where other Snap-on and other identical stud pullers with other brands (e.g., Hastings) had date code numbers. Loooong and as I recall inconclusive discussion back in 2019 if anywhere cares to re-visit.
Cleaned up well.
Cleaned up well.
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I added a fourth and fifth No199 utility knife to my collection recently, and didn’t expect any surprises, but I got one when I opened them up to remove the dull and rusted blades. Inside, one had a single Stanley No1992 and several General No852, the other had several Millers Falls No3325.
The one with the MF blades was more heavily-constructed than the one with the General blades!
This led me to open up the NOS examples, which were stocked with unmarked blades, sharing the size and angle of the MF and General blades, but with two notches (like the Stanley, but not sharing the length or more acute angle of it) instead of three. Hmmm. I had hoped to use the blades to establish whether the heavy knife was older or newer, but the blades may not help. Neither NOS examples, nor another earlier acuisition shared the heavy construction.
I’m favoring the “heavy is older” theory for now, but will have to see if Stanley utility knives show a similar internal redesign.
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Raineman
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I had one of those and forgot it was in a box of stuff I sold as a lot. Regretting that, and haven't been able to find another since.
This led me to open up the NOS examples, which were stocked with unmarked blades, sharing the size and angle of the MF and General blades, but with two notches (like the Stanley, but not sharing the length or more acute angle of it) instead of three. Hmmm. I had hoped to use the blades to establish whether the heavy knife was older or newer, but the blades may not help. Neither NOS examples, nor another earlier acuisition shared the heavy construction.
I’m favoring the “heavy is older” theory for now, but will have to see if Stanley utility knives show a similar internal redesign.
View attachment 2550551Another surprise when I opened up two Stanley No199 utility knives.
Neither is identical to either type of Bonney, though they all share some characteristics.
From comparing elements, I say the order of development is
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Private Lugnutz
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^ Interesting deep dive, LS. I did a "Curator's Corner" on Utility Knives linked HERE, and a few updates after that, which you can find in the Lugzsonian thread index in post #1, but while I included a Bonney and Stanley and noted the identical production, and took a quick stab at the No. 199 history, I did not do a close comparison.
Private Lugnutz
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I was elated to pluck this Bonney Champion No. 112 (1-1/2" jaws) out of a wooden drawer this morning at the flea. I couldn't reach it leaning from the front of the table and tried to not dance too excitedly around the corner with anticipation as soon as I spotted it. It has a gorgeous 'Princeton' logo.
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Private Lugnutz
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Photos of the markings, including a very oddly placed "U.S.A.", obviously stamped when the jaws were closed. It could just be my brain doing some instinctive wishful thinking, but a very reasonable expansion of the "O.D." stamped just above it, and quite probably at the same time, if not the very same stamp, is Ordnance Department! 
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Private Lugnutz
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1914 Catalog excerpts...
Good afternoon.
Sorry for being lazy, does anybody remember where the black and white picture of Bonney tool boxes within the garage was posted? Most likely this thread...
Answering my own question: posted by MRITCHIE77, post 5252
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Sorry for being lazy, does anybody remember where the black and white picture of Bonney tool boxes within the garage was posted? Most likely this thread...
Answering my own question: posted by MRITCHIE77, post 5252
Spreading the Bonney affliction!
I am intrigued by those two sockets. I can’t think of anything automotive that they could be. The decidedly offset drive broaching of the drive end is very curious, combined with the odd configuration of the fastener. I’m interested to see how this turns out.
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Wow! Great find. I agree, the smallest wrenches are often the hardest to find. I’m not sure whether I just overlook them, or whether they are actually scarce.
I’ve been slowly building two sets of the early E4x DBEs to display both sides.
My two sets have no E40s (just a single later-era placeholder) and only one E44 (w another later-era placeholder). Similar issue with Zenel E18 and E20 DOEs.
eBay provided a No21 set of E- 40, 42, 44, 46, and I was quick to break it up and put the E40 and E44 under glass today. Still subbing one latter-day E40.
Now just need the flex heads!702K Trifecta! I found the little V-702K 1/4"er yesterday. The T and hinge handles were recent finds too. T-30 and T-36. I am happy the three ratchets mats as well as they do. There can be a lot of variation in the chrome plating process.
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Mikeske
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Ahh only one. How about two. I had these from several years ago when I found both on e-bay and of course I had to get separately get them. The chrome one is a replacement for my broken flex head I had when I originally bought my entire Bonney set from Grainger in 1984.
Mintgrun
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I had assumed this CHAMPION PLUG-MASTER CT-405 ratchet was made by BLACKHAWK, but after seeing the BONNEY examples above, I'm leaning towards it fitting into this thread. Both ratchets give sixty clicks per revolution, but the clicker is smoother and quieter in the CHAMPION.
RTM
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Mine are in the Champion thread, where someone else said NB made, might change your mind.
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Thanks guys! I was thinking about the peening option. I will see how it goes and if it starts to slide i will take care oft that. I wonder if anyone has any history on this tool. I cant find any information on Champion tools. I understand these were made by New Brittain but there is little info...
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Mintgrun
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Your March example resembles my Blackhawk and the December one looks like my Champion.
I can't keep track of who made what - for who - when... but do appreciate the input.
I can't keep track of who made what - for who - when... but do appreciate the input.
It's too bad Bonney didn't make the 1/4" in a flex head. With the way the industry went they probably would have sold a million of 'em.
At one point I considered mating a 1/4" flex handle with the head of a 1/4" ratchet. But decided against it as I'd have to sacrifice one of my V702-k's for the project.
Beerhippie
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I have the socket set to go with your faux-gold-plated Chrysler Award wrench--in Metric.Ahh only one. How about two. I had these from several years ago when I found both on e-bay and of course I had to get separately get them. The chrome one is a replacement for my broken flex head I had when I originally bought my entire Bonney set from Grainger in 1984.
Mikeske
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I have a swivel socket set in faux-gold that I got and never used. I never looked that hard back 5-6 years ago when I was rebuilding my set of Bonney tools. If a faux-gold set shows up and it is fairly priced on eBay I might consider grabbing it but also have not looked that hard once I got to a completion of what I originally had as those tools are now only used when I work on my equipment and pickup truck.
Private Lugnutz
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Snerk.