pcrov
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I had no idea there were people who looked down their nose at printing with PLA. How pathetic.
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mike93lx
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Feels like an odd takeaway from these posts.
Cruzan80
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@mike93lx, I can totally see where some people feel like they are being "looked down their noses at" for using PLA. Not saying other filaments don't have their place as well, but it seems like the equivalent of someone saying "Throw away all your SAE tools, because you never need them", only to find their entire worldview is a Toyota dealer auto mechanic.
Use what works. PLA is cheap, flows well, is stupid simple to print with and prototype, etc. If you need the benefits of other things, great, use those. But don't "gatekeep" the elitism of what plastic you use to determine if you are worthy enough.
Edit: This is coming from someone who started with Makerbots and Replicator/x3g code. So I have seen most of the evolution...
mike93lx
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I don't get the "dirt cheap" comments. Petg can easily be sourced for $10 a roll, same with pla. Maybe in the before times it was different, but it's not the case today
Cruzan80
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Sure PETG is also cheap, but PLA (deservedly) has the reputation of "just working" (regarding printer issues), along with being offered in more colors/flavors than PETG. So if you don't need the benefits of PETG, why deal with any downsides?
Again, I am not saying "Dont use PETG". But if PLA works for the need, why the elitism?
Again, I am not saying "Dont use PETG". But if PLA works for the need, why the elitism?
mike93lx
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I haven't experienced the downsides. I've had far more failed prints with pla than Petg. Abnormal experience or is that perception a carry over from old printers?
Cruzan80
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You are the outlier (both IME, and general internet wisdom), for having more PLA fail than PETG. This is experience from both Core XY and bedslingers, enclosed and open, anything from the level of Ender to Stratysys.
But even if your experience was indicative of the whole, why shame others for using what works for them? Not saying you (mike) in specific, but rather in general. Kind of like "SO or Bust", "HF is garbage" mentality.
But even if your experience was indicative of the whole, why shame others for using what works for them? Not saying you (mike) in specific, but rather in general. Kind of like "SO or Bust", "HF is garbage" mentality.
mike93lx
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I agree, no shaming anyone from me. There is no amount less that I could care what everyone else runs through their printers.
I pay $7-8 a roll for PLA. It's always a couple bucks cheaper than the cheapest PETG.
mike93lx
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Cheaper is fair. "dirt cheap" for $2-3 less? I see folks buying Petg for under $10 as well, but I just get it from school house spools as it's cheap enough and supports a small business.
Again, everyone should run what they want, from the cheapest Ali-x stuff to $30/kg recycled petg
Firebrick43
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Why are people trying to be a victim some how, or claim I slighted them; and claim my statement was elitism? Seems to be a problem with society of people not reading or hearing what is actually said and making additional things up in thier mind.
I printed with it a long time and now 10 years down the road nothing I printed on my old ender 3 with PLA is still functional, it has all failed or warped due to degradation. I even acknowledged why it was a good choice for beginners on those early printers.
This AAA battery mag cracked into several piece when touched the other day, printed maybe in 2018.
Cruzan80
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And I have prints from before 2015, printed in PLA, that still work just fine. Hell, some of it is from the old "Egyptian Blue" Inland PLA (IFKYK).
Saying you "are surprised people still use it", then followed by "if you only make farsical stuff" certainly doesnt seem inclusive to me... Not claiming I am a victim, but those do seem "elitist" statements.
Again, not saying people shouldn't use what they need. I have done all kinds of stuff, from tons of different materials. But PLA has a place, just like anything else. Bambu seems to agree, simply based on the number of options they sell of PLA, compared to any other filament.
Saying you "are surprised people still use it", then followed by "if you only make farsical stuff" certainly doesnt seem inclusive to me... Not claiming I am a victim, but those do seem "elitist" statements.
Again, not saying people shouldn't use what they need. I have done all kinds of stuff, from tons of different materials. But PLA has a place, just like anything else. Bambu seems to agree, simply based on the number of options they sell of PLA, compared to any other filament.
Firebrick43
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And there it is, every statement has to be absolutely inclusive or by god its automatically divisive. Even though the language was clearly inquisitive.
Cruzan80
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First post I read as inquisitive, but when it was followed by the second, the overall tone became derisive. But you are welcome to your opinion, just as everyone else is. If that isn't how you meant it to be read, sorry.
I will continue to use everything from PLA thru CF-HT-PA6 with my HS engineering students, depending on what the project needs.
I will continue to use everything from PLA thru CF-HT-PA6 with my HS engineering students, depending on what the project needs.
Firebrick43
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The irony of someone who needed to make people very aware of how elite he is
Cruzan80
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No, it was more listing that as "I am not a newbie who has only used Bambu and PLA, and don't know any better".
Not a flex/elitism, just listing my experience so people can evaluate how much weight to give any statement I make.
But think what you want, I am done arguing with you. Print what you want, with whatever material works for you (which was the line that I keep repeating...)
Not a flex/elitism, just listing my experience so people can evaluate how much weight to give any statement I make.
But think what you want, I am done arguing with you. Print what you want, with whatever material works for you (which was the line that I keep repeating...)
pcrov
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I can find no charitable way to interpret this stupid **** you say:
No, you're just being an *******. You're perfectly aware of it. Stop playing dumb here.
Firebrick43
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Maybe you should look up synonyms for farcical.
Would whimsical offend you less and cause less cursing and gnashing of teeth? Artistic?
Although credit to @kaymccampbell I was absent minded in the very useful/functional application of PLA for lost PLA castings.
mike93lx
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Could we not get this thread deleted/locked? Please?
Cruzan80
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Farcical, coming from the root farce, definition from MW below.
Neither of which implies anything positive, as farce is a derogatory term. If you would have written artistic or whimsical, I (personally) would have read it differently.
pcrov
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I'm not offended at all. You would have to matter for that. I do find your attempt to walk back what you said farcical. Did I do that right?
Old tool guy
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No! But maybe purge some of the recent postings.
Firebrick43
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And one definition of absurd
"lacking order or value"
What protracted value does a fidget spinner or the segmented octopus that I printed for my 9 year old daughter last week have? She will tire of it just like her happy meal toys and into the trash it will soon go. Putting a used on ebay is highly unlikely to garner any bids.
Its a large country. The vernacular is quite different across it.
Do you get upset when someone says they want a "pop" or "soda" there in California? I didn't when the the waitress ask "what kind?" when you ask for a Coke living out there a few mile south of you.